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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 1 January 2023 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of winners of Triple Crown of Motorsport races[edit]

List of winners of Triple Crown of Motorsport races (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 11:27, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Triple Crown of Motorsport is an unofficial achievement for motor racing drivers that consists of victory in the three most prestigious races in all of motorsport, the 24 Hours of Le Mans, the Indianapolis 500 and the Monaco Grand Prix. This list has the names of every driver who has won a Triple Crown race, including Graham Hill who is the only driver to complete the Triple Crown of Motorsport. Looking forward to all comments on this list! EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 11:27, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

  • "and the Monaco Grand Prix street circuit race for Formula One cars at the Circuit de Monaco contested annually" - this wording makes it sound like the other two are not held annually
  • "took over driving duties from Harroun (1911), Dawson (1912), Milton (1923) and DePaolo (1925), respectively" - don't think that last comma is needed
  • "Ford decided to stage a photo finish and the Automobile Club de l'Ouest declared Amon and McLaren the 1966 winners" - I would change this to "Ford decided to stage a photo finish but the Automobile Club de l'Ouest declared Amon and McLaren the 1966 winners" as (if I have interpreted the source correctly) the decision scuppered Ford's attempt to engineer a dead heat. Is that right.....?
  • Think that's all I got - great work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:15, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:06, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Airship[edit]

  • There should be some acknowledgement of the alternative definition of the Triple Crown (Indy, Le Mans, F1 title)
  • No need to include the "of Motorsport" after the first sentence.
  • Prose of the second paragraph could be significantly smoothened.
    • "Tom Kristensen, with nine victories, has won the most Triple Crown events"..."Kristensen has won the 24 Hours of Le Mans more than any other driver with nine victories."
    • Might just be me, but it seems more logical to have the discussion about who has actually claimed the Triple Crown before discussing who has won the most constituent races.
    • Last sentence is too unwieldy. Punctuation exists.

~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:23, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • @AirshipJungleman29: Have made changes to the list based on your suggestions EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 16:44, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Further comments:
      • The Kristensen repetition is still present. If anything, the changes have made the section more unclear. Specifically, I am looking for sentences that flow smoothly into each other, rather than just bouncing along. How about: "Tom Kristensen has won the most Triple Crown races with nine victories, all at Le Mans; Hill claimed two fewer in total, including five wins at Monaco. Ayrton Senna won six Triple Crown events, all at Monaco, placing him alongside Jacky Ickx in joint-third overall. With four victories each, Hélio Castroneves, A. J. Foyt, Rick Mears and Al Unser hold the joint record for the most Indianapolis 500 wins."
    • Can a race really be said to "occur"?
    • Unsure why it is necessary to clarify the "first" 24h and the "inaugural" Monaco - that's what follow means.
    • Note that citation 5 specifically clarifies "contemporary F1 drivers".
    • Overall the prose quality of the lead needs to be improved. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:04, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      Implemented more of your suggestions into the list EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 17:53, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • I disagree with including dedicated sentences for Kristensen and Senna, since the information is logically apparent from previous sentences. I have made a few edits, and the prose is looking much better.~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:11, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        Done EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 18:23, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Couple more:

  • "calendar clash" is too informal. Perhaps "traditionally held on the same weekend"?
    • Maybe including the traditional dates would be helpful. Something like "As the Indianapolis 500 and the Monaco Grand Prix are both traditionally held on the last weekend of May, it is impossible for modern drivers to enter all three Triple Crown events in the same year." In any case, the source says contemporary drivers "cannot" rather than "it is rare".
  • Once done, I think I'm ready to support. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:06, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 08:06, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:11, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from NapHit[edit]

  • The Graham Hill sentence about him being the only driver to win the triple crown needs a reference when it's mentioned in the second paragraph.
  • It used to be policy (as far as I can remember) to have links in boldface. I took a look around on the MOS and this mainly seems to relate to the lead, but here it does suggest that bold links shouldn't be used. I'd consider using a colour instead, such as is used here here.

That's it from me. I also have a list that could do with a review here if you've got the time :) NapHit (talk) 14:14, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to support now my concerns have been addressed. NapHit (talk) 17:29, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Have to admit, I don't quite understand the interest in a grouping of races that only one person has ever won, but if it's a thing in motorsport then I guess it's a thing. Source review passed, promoting. --PresN 18:01, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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