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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:Matthewedwards 18:59, 15 November 2008 [1].

State highways in Hamilton County, New York[edit]

previous FLC (01:14, 29 September 2008)

Time to give this another try. I don't think that it got a fair chance last time on FLC, so I feel that after a month, we should try again.Mitch32(UP) 21:43, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Review by SRX (talk · contribs)/Oppose
  • IMO, this looks more of a Good Article than a Featured List.
  • Hamilton County, New York has five currently state-maintained highways which form a combined 170 miles (270 km) of the touring routes in New York. - Just current, no need for currently.
Changed.Mitch32(UP) 15:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • These highways are spread throughout the county,[2] which is the least populated in the state of New York - what's the least populated?
Changed.Mitch32(UP) 15:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • You keep saying state-maintained, maintained by who?
Clarified (see lead).Mitch32(UP) 15:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lead needs to be expanded per WP:LEDE. Add more about the route's history, add about what was the first highway in Hamilton, the most recent one, etc.
Expanded, thanks for that advice.Mitch32(UP) 15:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • New York State Route 10 (NY 10) is the shortest state routes that traverse Hamilton County. - in this context, routes should not be plural.
Changed.Mitch32(UP) 15:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • NY 10 used to continue further than its present length. Its original assignment in the 1930 renumbering included a concurrency with NY 8 into Speculator, which continued along the road named NY 30 to the international border with Canada in Franklin County. - is there a link to the numbering?
Linked.Mitch32(UP) 15:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Route 28 and NY 30 become concurrent and head to the northeast for over 10 miles (16 km) into Blue Mountain Lake. In Blue Mountain Lake, NY 30 turns off at the western terminus of [NY 28N, which is a suffixed route of the highway. - Why is there a bracket in "NY 28N"?
Fixed (was a typo).Mitch32(UP) 15:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is too much prose versus what is listed, I see this more of a article than list. I have review previous GA Highways, and this looks like one of them.--SRX 14:52, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's right now a mixed debate - no one is sure what it falls under, although I've heard more people say "list" rather than article.Mitch32(UP) 15:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is the first time I so much prose versus content in list from. WWE No Way Out has a good amount of prose, but an equal amount of content listed. This should be discussed IMO at the talk page of FLC or right here.--SRX 15:11, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, no one's complained about this (even on the first FLC). On the first FLC, people even mentioned that its a list that actually does not violate the 10-item rule. I don't exactly see the problem with a lot of prose. "Lists" aren't clearly defined. I believe, personally that lists should have more prose, and I think this is an example of what some should be like. There is no need for something like List of mergers and acquisitions by Microsoft to have so few words to it. There is the possibility someone could be curious of what happened. I understand your point, but in most people's opinion, it is a list.Mitch32(UP) 15:16, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well I don't oppose it now, but I can't support unless I am convinces by consensus that this is acceptable for a list, I'm sorry that it just may be my eyes but it's really hard to see this as a list.--SRX 21:23, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, for exactly the same reason as in the previous nom for this list - rst20xx (talk) 18:55, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's crazy. You know my opinion on this - I am not taking your advice, and I am gonna put the very few county routes in Hamilton County into their own list, so they have their own coverage. I told you that List of highways in Warren County, New York will not be duplicated in other list - even if you mass oppose the FXCs of all counties, I will not be doing such.Mitch32(UP) 19:29, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And I told you that I think it's a better format of article, because it seems to me that this article simply summarises 6 other articles, which is a bit pointless really. Oh, unless you're simply trying to make a lead article for an FTC - rst20xx (talk) 02:13, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I talked to Matthewedwards, the FLC co-director. He says and I see that criterion 2 has a DEFINED scope. The original Warren list does not have a defined scope and thus violates criterion 2. Now if you don't believe me that i discussed it with him, you can go ask Matthewedwards himself.Mitch32(UP) 02:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Why does it not have a defined scope? Surely the scope is the highways in Warren County... rst20xx (talk) 11:04, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The scope is too dang broad. If there are more lists that break each section down, it'll help readers in the long run. What's more beneficial, one FL or 3 of them? As far as I care, you can oppose all of these that you want, but you gotta understand that I will not be changing the format and not giving into you into your problems.Mitch32(UP) 13:57, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
But to me, this article looks basically to just be a summary of 6 other articles (namely, the 6 state routes), which is utterly pointless as the 6 articles contain all that information themselves, and so the scope of this article is too narrow to merit it. Whereas the Warren article doesn't have any of this pointless repetition - rst20xx (talk) 15:53, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:31, 11 November 2008 (UTC) [reply]
Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • The first image caption is a sentence fragment, do not use a period at the end.
  • "Hamilton County, New York has five current state-maintained highways" What does "current" mean in this context?
  • "the only village located along any of these roads is Speculator along NY 8 and NY 30."
    • It still doesn't say what happened to NY 365. In the section aboout NY 365 in the article, there is no mention of a date when the truncation/removal happened.
  • "New York State Route 8 (NY 8) is a long state highway" Doesn't help readers much, who is to say what is long and what isn't?
  • "New York State Route 28N (NY 28N), a suffixed route of NY 28, is the only state route in the county that begins there."-->New York State Route 28N (NY 28N), a suffixed route of NY 28, is the only state route that begins in the county itself.
  • "When NY 10 was truncated by 1962, the highway became concurrent with NY 30." "by 1962"-->in 1962.
  • "NY 30 overlaps three of the state highways"
  • "Route 30 was originally not the longest state highway in Hamilton County"-->Initially, Route 30 was not the longest state highway in Hamilton County.
  • "When assigned in the 1930 renumbering, Route 30 followed its current routing until Wells where it terminated at NY 8." Comma after Wells.
  • Reference 9 needs format=PDF entered in the citation template. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:55, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All your comments have been resolved.Mitch32(UP) 19:50, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "NY 49 - NY 69 - NY 365 triple concurrency in Rome"—Is this image caption supposed to have three hyphenated terms, or three roads separated by a spaced en dash? Dabomb87 (talk) 05:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved.Mitch32(UP) 11:01, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "There was also New York State Route 365 (NY 365), which was concurrent its entire length in Hamilton County." Make this sentence more contextual: "New York State Route 365 (NY 365), which was was concurrent to its entire length in Hamilton County, was also a state highway. It was removed in (year) because (reason)." Something like that. The way it is in the article is out-of-place and doesn't make much sense.
    • It still doesn't say what happened to NY 365. In the section aboout NY 365 in the article, there is no mention of a date when the truncation/removal happened. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:17, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done, yet again.Mitch32(UP) 20:46, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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