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Portal:Israel[edit]

We have undertaken extensive work on the portal recently and feel that it now meets the FP criteria. Flymeoutofhere 16:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments A few things first,

  • Hebrew in box titles - I understand that this is the Israel portal, but being in the english wiki, I'm not sure how appropriate the dual languages are. It's kinda confusing.
OK Done Flymeoutofhere 10:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Intro - Israel should be linked in the first sentence.
DoneFlymeoutofhere 10:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article - Pic is to big for 800x600 screen resolution. The article name should be bolded and linked in first sentance.
DoneFlymeoutofhere 10:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pic - Pic is to big for 800x600 screen resolution. A photo credit is needed underneath the pic. If you're going to bold an article title, it should be linked as well.
DoneFlymeoutofhere 10:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
A photo credit is needed underneath the pic. Joe I 17:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Done Flymeoutofhere 09:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It should be moved outside the thumb caption. Joe I 19:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Done Flymeoutofhere 08:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I changed the current pic, all others should follow that. Joe I 18:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Archive - Should show articles and pics the way they appeared on the main portal page, with summaries and descriptions.
DoneFlymeoutofhere 10:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • History - The article title should be bolded. Is this box supposed to be static? Seems like you could find a few seperate ones to rotate.
I think I've done?Flymeoutofhere 10:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Done Flymeoutofhere 09:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Culture - Same as history.
Think I've done?Flymeoutofhere 10:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The question for these two is if you plan to leave them as is. If so, the use of space is kinda wasted, you should just use a link to point to the articles. I would suggest making these rotating boxes with smaller summaries on a number of different articles. Joe I 17:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Done Flymeoutofhere 09:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed you changed the articles, so, are these now rotated boxs? If they are, archives are needed along with selection of a few more articles to show future rotationabillty(I love making up words). Joe I 19:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, they are rotated - I created an archive Portal:Israel/History Archive and Portal:Israel/Culture Archive for the culture articles. I have added a couple of extras as examples which will be used, and will add more over time Flymeoutofhere 08:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The labeling on the Culture box should follow the history one. Use "archive" instead of "past featured".
  • News - needs an archive
Am working on Flymeoutofhere 10:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Have produced Portal:Current events/Israel as an archive Flymeoutofhere 12:43, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
A proper archive is needed, such as the ones for the article and pics. Joe I 17:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Done-see Portal:Israel/News Archive Flymeoutofhere 09:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • DYK - Proper DYK layout, ... before and ? after
DoneFlymeoutofhere 10:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Quote - {{cquote}} has room for the name, it should be used
Done Flymeoutofhere 10:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
An archive needs to be created for this as well. Joe I 17:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Done-See Portal:Israel/Quotes Archive Flymeoutofhere 09:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Projects - the noticeboard is not a project
Am working on Flymeoutofhere 10:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Done Flymeoutofhere 12:51, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • A related portals box is needed
Am working on Flymeoutofhere 10:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Done Flymeoutofhere 12:51, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Joe I 21:08, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I feel I have resolved all aforementioned issues. Flymeoutofhere 12:52, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Topics - Sorry, I missed it, but you need a topics box as well. Please see any featured portal for example. Joe I 17:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Am working on Flymeoutofhere 09:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Done Flymeoutofhere 10:53, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think I have resolved all of the above issues. Flymeoutofhere 08:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support You made quick work of it. Good job. Joe I 18:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Good fixes on a great portal. Mazal tov on the good work Flymeoutofhere! --יהושועEric 22:02, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as nominator Flymeoutofhere 13:51, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Looks great! —dima/talk/ 15:58, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
After a week with no objections do we pass it? --יהושועEric 15:05, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No. Featured portal candidates are generally left open to discussion for 3-4 weeks. And, in general, I handle closings.--cj | talk 15:43, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I've gone ahead and made several changes to the portal to correct things which might otherwise have led me to oppose. I hope my changes are agreeable. However, I still have a few concerns about some elements which I'll leave to the maintainers of the portal to fix. Firstly, there seems to me to be a bias in the Did you know? section – it's predominately focused on facts ranking Israel, which is really quite aside from the purpose of DYK: to highlight new articles. Secondly, I'm concerned about how frequently the portal's content will be rotated, especially considering it is attempting to sustain three separate selected article sections (which is slightly over-the-top, IMV). I'd like to see automatic rotation of some sort (either randomised or dated roll-over) introduced to make updates less haphazard.--cj | talk 15:36, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Does anyone have the expertise to have the content change automatically by date? I am happy to setup the content if someone knows how to do the Wiki code. Let me know what I can do to help. --יהושועEric 21:35, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I was going to say the same--Flymeoutofhere 07:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You should be able to use this: {{/box-header|''Selected article''|{{FULLPAGENAME}}/Selected article/{{CURRENTWEEK}}, {{CURRENTYEAR}}|}} {{{{FULLPAGENAME}}/Selected article/{{CURRENTWEEK}}, {{CURRENTYEAR}}}} {{/box-footer|}} substituting week for month if you desire. I don't know much about this way, as I never have used it. I find the fully randomized much easier(you don't have to keep up with dates): Template:Random portal component. Joe I 04:53, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - As Cyberjunkie touched on up there, the portal has a bias & ranking tendancy in the DYK section, but I'm also seeing a couple of POV issues across the portal, one being the DYK & another example being the In the News section where it says "For days, rockets have continued to be fired into Southern Israel, particularly aimed at the city of Sderot from Gaza..." - this section nor its archive gives no mention of Israel's attacks on its neighbours. Overall, the portal seems to be selling the country with peacock words rather than explaining it (EG, "its population is incredibly diverse", "ranked it 50th out of 168 countries in freedom of the press, the highest of any country" (again with the ranking), "Israel has a technologically advanced economy as well as a vibrant cultural life" (peacock wording & no citation), "country is widely regarded as the most open in the region" (according to who?), "Israel was ranked 23rd out of 177 countries in the 2005 United Nations Human Development Index, the highest ranking in the Middle East and 3rd highest in all of Asia" (rankings again)) This along with the question of updatability has lead me to oppose. Sorry, Spawn Man 12:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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