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Pavane pour une infante défunte[edit]

1899 – Pavane pour une infante défunte
Maurice Ravel's Pavane pour une infante défunte, performed by Thérèse Dussaut.

A fine example of the excellent work from Ravel's early period.

  • Nominate and support. Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:53, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Copyright query. Unfortunately, Ravel is different from everything else. Copyrighted until 2026 in the US, and until 2016 in France? I'd need to check again: this has come up before. There's something about it in the lead of Ravel, too. Tony (talk) 14:00, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This work is from before 1923, so it's out of copyright in the US. It's only his after-1922 works which run into US copyright problems, which is lucky, as the vast majority of his works are before 1923. We can't have his famous Bolero, but this, Miroirs, Gaspard de la nuit, and dozens of other important works are available to En-wiki, though not Commons. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:21, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
[1] and [2]. Tony (talk) 09:32, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Commons requires works to be out of coyright in their home country. Ravel is NOT out of copyright in France. En-wiki only requires the work be out of copyright in the U.S., which his pre-1923 works are. This is why we have {{notforcommons}} (and why this needs to be locally uploaded).
It should probably be noted that Featured Pictures works under the above rule as well, and works of similar copyright status (free in America, not free outside of America, and thus uploaded to en-Wiki) do somewhat regularly appear on the main page already, though it must be said, in fairness, that U.S. copyright is one of the most restrictive in the world, so the cases where it works out in our favour are very rare, and only make up a tiny percentage of possible works. I'd suspect FS could easily end up with more works of this type than FP, due to a few highly notable, long-lived early-20th-century musicians (Bartok, Ravel, etc) with a lot of important relatively early works. Adam Cuerden (talk) 09:39, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"En-wiki only requires the work be out of copyright in the U.S., which his pre-1923 works are." - aren't all his works out of copyright in the US, as he died more than 70 years ago? Jujutacular talk 13:08, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, U.S. Copyright is crazy complicated. Disney didn't want to lose control of Mickey, and someother people with valuable copyrights worked to extend them, so.... Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:44, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
To make it even more complicated, there is an entirely seperate set of rules just for recordings, which somehow involves New York and 1976, I think... I really need to read up on that, it's embarrassing that I know so little about the area. Either way that doesn't come into play in this case because the performer explicitly released her work. Sven Manguard Wha? 01:20, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Aye. That's why I'm rather conservative with what I grab early-recording-wise. Pre-1923 should be safe, after that, you have to actually deal with that absolute mess of copyright law. Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:01, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It was recently brought to my attention that this was never officially closed. Umm... it's closed. I promoted it a while back and forgot to mention it here.... so... ummm... Promoted - Pavane pour une infante défunte --Sven Manguard Wha? 04:32, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Now everyone back away slowly and pretend nothing weird happened. Sven Manguard Wha? 04:32, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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