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Antonio Luna

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Result: There is weak consensus that this article no longer meets the criteria after revision, especially on neutrality. This discussion has been stalled for approximately two months with no further response from editors, and the article also did not observe any significant improvements during the last two months and no constructive edit at all this month. VickKiang (talk) 01:46, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Assed in 2016, the has number of citation needed tags some going as far back as 2017. Has random information unrelated to the subject in question and with WP:UNDUE; i.e. 7 lines regarding a book, that he reportedly memorized as a kid. It also has problems with WP:TONE. Skjoldbro (talk) 21:23, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

• Skjoldbro I don't see any unsourced sections or cleanup tags. (t · c) buidhe 00:44, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@Buidhe: I hadn't added any, I was unaware that it was necessary for the discussion. I have added some now. Older tags can be found in Assassination and aftermath section. However, I don't believe that the article should ever have received the GA title, as the article has had these issues, at least since the last assessment. The article, therefore, never met criteria 1 and 3. Things like this excerpt is completely irrelevant to the article subject:

He also memorized the Doctrina Christiana, believed to be the first book printed in the Philippines.[4][12] The title of the work literally means "Christian Doctrine", and thus the primary goal of the book was to propagate Christian teaching across the Philippine archipelago. The book consists of 38 leaves and 74 pages of text in Spanish, Tagalog transliterated into roman letters, and Tagalog in its original Baybayin script, under a woodcut of Saint Dominic, with the verso originally blank, although in contemporary versions bears the manuscript inscription, "Tassada en dos reales", signed by Juan de Cuellar. After a syllabary comes the basic prayers: the Lord's Prayer, Hail Mary, Credo, and the Salve Regina. Following these are Articles of Faith, the Ten Commandments, Commandments of the Holy Church, Sacraments of the Holy Church, Seven Mortal Sins, Fourteen Works of Charity, and points on Confession and Catechism. Skjoldbro (talk) 09:32, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Skjoldbro Can't you just remove any content that you consider irrelevant? Wouldn't that fix the problem? (t · c) buidhe 09:56, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

buidhe I don't think so, as I don't believe the article ever should have gotten the GA status in the first place. I think it clearly fails criteria 1 and 3. There are major issues with tone and relevance throughout the whole article, and would have to be wholly rewritten. Making the article unwarranted of the GA status. Skjoldbro (talk) 10:09, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

• I don't know if it is all that bad. The tone is alright, but I agree that there are some areas where it can be tightened. Probably not enough to lose GA status over or even have the big orange tags. The bigger issue are the inline tags. The ones I looked at are all reverent and the sources are not readily available to me. @Arius1998: in case they pop in and will leave a note at some wikiprojects. Aircorn (talk) 04:16, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

@Aircorn: Maybe it is just me, but I just think that the tone is "off" e.g. After taking breakfast, he ordered a subordinate, Colonel Queri, to prepare arms and ammunition for the ten men. Then, the men boarded a train destined towards Malinta, which was American-held territory. After giving orders to the men, he let them go and watched them with his telescope. The men, succeeding their mission, eventually returned unharmed. Admiring their bravery, he organized them into a guerrilla unit of around 50 members. I just don't think it reads like other GAs. It sound more like a story rather than statements of facts. Additionally, how is anyone able to know the mood of Luna moments before his death? Still outraged and furious, Luna rushed down the stairs [...] These are just two examples from a cursory look. Skjoldbro (talk) 20:20, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

True some of it gets a bit overly dramatic. I sometimes prefer this than the monotonic encyclopaedic style that is often encouraged here, but yeah it could be toned down a bit. Aircorn (talk) 01:47, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

• This seems to have stalled. Any thoughts on whether the article should be delisted, Buidhe and Aircorn? Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:19, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
  • Did some copy editing but got half way down and lost a little interest. I agree that some of 5he wording is over the top, but also am not sure that is enough to fail on. Some of the war timeline is a little confusing to me, but that might be because I am not familiar with it. Overall I would say it could go either way. Not much help I know. Aircorn (talk) 19:54, 12 December 2021 (UTC)