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December 15

Top 100/Top 1000 most viewed pages on Wikipedia

How do you find out which are the most viewed pages on Wikipedia ?

Thanks,

Tovojolo (talk) 00:20, 15 December 2007 (UTC) who is the founder of wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.110.51.135 (talk) 23:02, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Popular pages for old numbers and [1] for new. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:41, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

American English vs English

I was wondering what the Wikipedia policy is for the use of English. I note that Civilisation is called 'Civilization' here. What is the justification for using the Americanism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.72.66.128 (talk) 00:18, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English. Algebraist 00:23, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Login problem

I cannot log in. I get a message, "Your browser is not set to allow cookies, please set browser to allow cookies and try again." But my browser (Safari) was and is set to allow cookies and there were many on there before I cleared them to ensure room for new ones. So, I have my name and password, and my browser is set to allow cookies in the preferences, but I still cannot login. What else can I do?

Regards,

220.101.17.211 (talk) 00:55, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't have Safari and cannot give browser specific help. Is Help:logging in of use? Maybe somebody at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing know Safari better. Or you could try a Google search. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:34, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Quail Mountain, Joshua Tree National Park

to whom it may concern, I have personally hiked to the top of Quail Mountain 75 times. I am not a nut or anything! I found the Quail Mountain wikipedia page today, and found some inaccuracies, the elevation is wrong, and there is no trail to the summit for example. I also added some information I have obtained from firsthand experience, and even uploaded a photo I took while hiking to the top on August 10, 2005 (NOT an easy feat in the summertime). Anyhow, my editing has not shown up, and I don't know where the photo went. I live about 10 miles from the peak and can even see it from my back yard. I am not vandalizing Wikipedia, only trying to make an honest contribution. Thanks! Username DouglasBear DouglasBear (talk) 01:40, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey there! We're glad to have you here. However, to help cut down on some of the vandalism, we have some bots that revert changes that they think are suspicious. They are obviously wrong sometimes! Before you change things permanently, though, you'll want to use the preview button to make sure that's what you want. For example, your last edit still had default images for the gallery, which is probably why the bot reverted it. I went ahead and put that picture you uploaded in there, but it's up to you to finish it. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask me! Xiong Chiamiov ::contact:: ^help! 01:52, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Xiong! I am new to this and do not understand it very well. I will try to work on the page more at a later time, I appreciate your help. I just stumbled upon the page today and could not resist trying to add more as I know the mountain very well. Anyhow, thanks again, I will make it better now that I know my work is not going into the waste basket! DouglasBearDouglasBear (talk) 02:30, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Please....

I'm afraid because I don't know if this question must be posted here but ... well... , have patience with me please... Can you create the Category:Spanish serial killers to me??... I love serial killers :P. Thanks and please don't insult me if the question mustn't be posted here. I'm new Ahmed987147 (talk) 03:38, 15 December 2007 (UTC).

Well, I could (and you could do it yourself, by adding the category to an article, clicking on the redlink, and creating the catpage with the sole text [[Category:Serial killers by nationality]]), but what are you going to put in it? List of serial killers by country has no Spaniards that I can see. Algebraist 04:11, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Ahmed987147 also requested Category:Chinese mass murderers here. I made it and it has 3 members of which 2 were created recently. So I trusted this request and have created Category:Spanish serial killers with use of Template:Fooian fooers to give better navigation. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for introducing me to that fine template. But surely it should be Fooian barers? Algebraist 04:28, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Good point ;-) But there are places called Bar and Bare so it could cause confusion. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:53, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

You have a supporter at Template talk:Fooian fooers#This should be renamed.... PrimeHunter (talk) 04:58, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

How do I create a wikipedia article on a subject that is not already covered?

Id like to make an article over something that currently does not have an article with wikepedia. How do I do so? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.68.248.168 (talk) 04:27, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. Algebraist 04:29, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

How does one edit in multiple languages without multiple accounts?

How can one edit in different languages without having to make separate accounts for each? Given the number of multilingual folks out there and the nuisance of having to change between accounts, check different watchlists, remember different passwords, etc there surely must be some way to do this, right?Mwswanton (talk) 05:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Nope. See m:H:UL though, it has been in the works for a very very long time. Prodego ^talk 05:23, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification and useful link. Mwswanton (talk) 05:09, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

MidAmerica St. Louis Airport has had several important developments in 2007. They need to be added and the site needs updating PLEASE!.

 EDITOR:  PLEASE READ THIS INFO RE MAJOR MIDWESTERN AIRPORT DEVELOPMENTS AT ST. LOUIS

Greetings: I recently added several major developments to the Wikipedia page that contains information about MidAmerica St. Louis Airport (BLV). The airport copy appears in Wikipedia under information about Scott Air Force Base (USAF). The entire reference to MidAmerica St. Louis Airport needs to be updated. The most recent entry being seven years old. The additions I wrote were severely restricted by space, which is OK, but doesn't allow for fullness of story, as it does here. The first sourced story appeared in the St. Louis (MO) Post-DispatchBold text. It dealt with the first international air cargo shipment to the airport (which ha been a major goal for the past three years to position MidAmerica as the prime Midwestern location for air cargo. It also is being positioned as an economical alternative to Chicago (ORD) and Miami(MIA)for international air cargo heading to Midwest companies and retail/distribution centers. The second sourced story appeared in the local Illinois daily Belleville News-Democrat.Bold text It was about MidAmerica officials signing an international Memorandum of Understanding with officials from Batam, Indonesia (located near Singapore), and an exchange of visits by dignataries between the two entities Batam and St. Clair County, IL). There wasn't room to source the next three, which were federal government agencies designating the airport part of Foreign Trade Zone 31, designation of the airport as a U.S. Port of Entry for international cargo, and the opening of a U.S. Customs Office on the airport for incoming international air cargo.

I am James M. Grandone. I handle media relations for MidAmerica St. Louis Airport and would refer you to the director of the airport, Mr. Tim Cantwell for verification of the facts of the stories, as well as independent verification of the federal designations and facilities.

I can be reached at the following: Jim Grandone Grandone Public Relations 403 Jefferson Road Phone, URL and email address removed

MidAmerica St. Louis Airport Director Tim Cantwell can be reached at the following: 9656 Air Terminal Drive, Suite 100 Mascoutah, IL 62258 Email address removed www.flymidamerica.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.182.230.150 (talk) 05:30, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

There are no paid editors here at Wikipedia. You and everyone else are able to make changes to Wikipedia articles. However, since you have a close relationship with the airport, please be aware of our policies on possible conflicts of interest and the need to have reliable sources to assert the subject's notability, and please take note of Wikipedia policy regarding keeping a [[WP:POV|neutral point of view] and avoiding company advertising.

Note, I have also removed your email addresses and phone number - this is a highly visible page on the internet and such information could be used by others to plague you with SPAM and unnecessary calls. Astronaut (talk) 10:48, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh! Sorry, I see what this is about. You have attempted to make an edit to Scott Air Force Base. Unfortunately, your edit only added a "±" to the beginning of the article, and you put "MidAmerica St. Louis Airport received its first international air cargo deliveries;1.4 million lbs. of seed grain from Chile, on Mon., April 2, 2007. . St. Louis Post-Dispatch 4/3/2007" in the Edit Summary box. That edit was reverted within 3 hours (presumably thinking it was a small incident of vandalism).

To edit an article, you should click on "edit this page" at the top of the article, enter your changes using Wiki-markup in the large text box, enter a brief Edit summary saying what you did and why (eg. "added info about new service"), and finally click on the "Save page" button below the Edit summary line. Of course, your changes should cite reliable sources (see the wiki-markup used in the article to see how this is done in practise), and you should take note of the various policies I mentioned in my previous post above.

Astronaut (talk) 11:51, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

WP:NOTABILITY

I don't know where to put my question, so I'm putting it here... Should newspapers have at least some kind of award to be considered notable? --Heero Kirashami (talk) 05:56, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Not necessarily. They should at least be significant. See Wikipedia:Notability (media) for some guidelines, winning an award is only 1 way to establish notability. Mr.Z-man 06:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, the page clears up a lot. --Heero Kirashami (talk) 19:53, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Meaning of Neutral Point of View

Can u please explain what is Neutral Point of View. Can u also tell me about other points of view and how Neutral Point of View is different from others.

thanks ravishankar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.165.5.226 (talk) 06:09, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Neutral Point of View is explained pretty well in the NPOV policy. Astronaut (talk) 10:30, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

For some topics, a neutral point of view may be hard to report because some sides will accuse you of being an extremist. A neutral point of view should be as accurate as possible. If some argues that the world is flat, you don't want to write that the world may or may not be flat. You might say that -- (assuming it is an accepted source) belives that the world is flat but most experts do not accept this view. It can be complicated. Spevw (talk) 23:20, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Is there a most-effective way to edit?

Hi, I was just wondering whether it would help more to make changes in small chunks (e.g., fix grammar, then add sources, then add material) for better oversight or to do it all at once.

Sorry if this issue has already been covered in the documentation, I was a little overwhelmed by it. Thanks! Wikimancer (talk) 07:01, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia tries to encourage editors to be bold with their edits. However, it is often the case that only small changes to a page are necessary.

There is an additional problem when creating a new article. An incomplete article, with extremely poor grammar, using an existing internet site as a working template, or missing references for example, is often reason enough to have your hard work speedily deleted (sometimes within minutes). The best advice I've heard to prevent this, is to develop your new article in a sub-page of your user page, until you are confident enough that it will meet Wikipedia's stringent criteria for an article (reliable sources establishing the subject's notability, keeping an encyclopedic tone and maintaining a neutral point of view, etc.)

Astronaut (talk) 11:27, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Moving text and changing it is preferably done in separate edits, to see the changes in a diff.--Patrick (talk) 12:41, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

hello

i want to know about roll of media in e-commerce —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.180.71.211 (talk) 06:46, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry — but this page is for Wikipedia-related questions only, maybe the article has some information about the roll of media in this. Hope this helps! Qst 11:05, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

vietnam

how many pages are in vietnamesse? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.36.54 (talk) 09:08, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

This page is for help using the English Wikipedia. Maybe the introduction of the main page of the Vietnamese Wikipedia will be of help. Astronaut (talk) 10:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmm..that's a good question. You might want to ask at either the reference desk or maybe the village pump. Hope this helped, — Rudget _{Contributions} 13:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

The Vietnamese Wikipedia has 27,342 articles and 122,891 pages, or at least it does according to the current version of Meta's list of Wikipedias.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:45, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

How do I just locate a simple Picture/drawing/ schematic of the "normal" female ESTROGEN molecule??

It's all in my Subject?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.197.92.11 (talk) 10:01, 15 December 2007 (UTC) 

The Estrogen article might be a good place to look? Ilkali (talk) 10:31, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

You might also want to look at Wikimedia Commons and search there. Midorihana_{(talk)(contribs)} 05:11, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia deletes articles about an important historical website. How to stop that?

I tried posting an article about the first website online covering a specific topic and I also included things of historical significance. It's not for advertising. In fact, this site is totally free and has no ads on it. How can I get this historical site listed in Wikipedia without it being deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dubindahouse (talk • contribs) 13:02, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

There are four chief processes under which articles in the mainspace are deleted:

• 1. Speedy deletion
• 2. Proposed deletion (prod)
• 3. Proposed deletion of articles on living persons (sticky prod); and
• 4. Articles for deletion (AfD).

To learn about typical reasons articles are deleted, see Wikipedia:Why was the page I created deleted? To find out why the particular article you posted was deleted, go to the deletion log and type into the search field marked "Title" the exact name of the article, mindful of the original capitalization, spelling and spacing. The deletion log entry will show when the article was deleted, by which administrator, and typically contain a deletion summary listing the reason for deletion. If you wish to contest this deletion, please contact the administrator first on their talk page and, depending on the circumstances, politely explain why you think the article should be restored, or why a copy should be provided to you so you can address the reason for deletion before reposting the article. If after that the article remains deleted and you still wish to contest it, you have the option of listing the article at Wikipedia:Deletion review, but articles are normally only restored if the deletion was clearly improper.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!  The Helpful One   (Talk)  (Contributions) 13:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Delete or change a re-direct

How do you go about deleting or changing a re-direct. On several pages in my sandbox, I moved the page to the main workspace, thus creating a redirect. Now I would like to be able to use those page names again. ie User:Rocketmaniac/Sandbox redirects to List of counties in South Carolina by Population. I would like to be able to use User:Rocketmaniac/Sandbox again. Thanks Rocketmaniac (talk) 14:03, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I removed the redirect for you. When you are redirected, you will see at the top of the destination "redirected from blue link". Clicking on that link will take you to the redirect itself, which you can then edit.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:07, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

3RR Question

I have been trying to make a constructive, knowledgeable, concisely-worded, well-referenced and relevant contribution to the Wiki article on clairvoyance, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clairvoyance, to give it more balance. "ScienceApologist" has repeatedly censored my contribution by reverting it 4 times in 3 days, but not more than 3 times in 24 hours. Can his actions still be considered a 3RR violation? Or do I have to try 3 more times within a 24-hour period (which seems a bit childish)? This is not a content dispute. We are not there yet. This is only a question of whether one editor can censor the good faith contribution of another editor by reverting it. I don't think so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RAmesbury (talk • contribs) 14:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, it is indeed a content dispute. What you are trying to add to the article is not neutral point of view, is unreliably sourced and gives undue weight to credulous, fringe theories. Your edits were not censored, they were properly removed. You're right that no one has technically violated 3RR. However, please note that WP:3RR does not apply just to reverts. Quoting from that policy: "A revert, in this context, means undoing, in whole or in part, the actions of another editor or of other editors. This can include undoing edits to a page, deleting content or restoring deleted content" (emphasis added). Accordingly, you are subject to that policy just as much as your [correct] detractors.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

creating a list template

can someone please help me fix this list template i'm trying to make. I tried to make it almost identical to an already existing template, but the major change I want doesn't work and I'm getting frustrated. --Crazytonyi (talk) 15:45, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

What template? Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! The Helpful One ^{(Talk) (Contributions)} 15:50, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

It's a template for the House series. The episode list has a column called "Final Diagnosis" which some of us that frequent the list think is a spoiler, but others think enhances the list. I want to propose that the diagnosis go under the story summary, in a table that defaults as hidden. The part that I can't figure out is how to include a nested table in the current table. Here is what I have done so far: Template:Episode_list/House and here is what I based it on: Template:Episode_list. You'll notice that I'm also updating the original template so that this one has variables that are more specific to the House list (e.g., Director instead of Aux2). --Crazytonyi (talk) 16:01, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

You can try asking at Wikipedia:Requested templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:01, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Usage of flag without country name

Is there anyway to use tags to get small flags without getting the country name ?
I was thinking of this one: {{USA}} = United States but I only want the flag, like this

--Morphinea (talk) 16:26, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:32, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks ! --Morphinea (talk) 18:59, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

How to find articles by amount of times accessed

I want to be able to find articles that are either searched for or accessed the most and least.The FAQ didn't seem to answer how to do this.What are the most and least viewed articles on wikipedia? Workster (talk) 17:32, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

For most views, see Wikipedia:Popular pages for old numbers and [2] for new. I have not heard of statistics for least viewed pages. Page hit counters are disabled for performance reasons, see Wikipedia:Technical FAQ#Can I add a page hit counter to a Wikipedia page?. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:52, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

ImageBacklogBot

What is ImageBacklogBot and why is it replacing image links with example.png in user pages? (By the way these links are covered by fair use rationale) —Preceding unsigned comment added by WikipediaRLN (talk • contribs) 17:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

My understanding is that Fair Use can only be claimed in the article namespace. Someone else may be able to better clarify. – Scartol • Tok 18:10, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

See User:ImageBacklogBot. You can comment to the bot operator on User talk:ST47. User talk:ImageBacklogBot#Stop using example.jpg! says Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg is used now. I haven't examined the specific cases but Wikipedia doesn't think fair use images should be in user space. Fair use is for articles. See point 9 in Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria, and Wikipedia:Removal of fair use images. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:19, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Image question

I'm interested in using this image to illustrate the ubiquitous nature of Emma Goldman's influence. It's from the Irish Indymedia site. The small print at the page's bottom reads: "© 2001-2007 Independent Media Centre Ireland. Unless otherwise stated by the author, all content is free for non-commercial reuse, reprint, and rebroadcast, on the net and elsewhere." Does this mean I have to use a Fair Use tag, with rationale? Or is there another option? Thanks. – Scartol • Tok 18:09, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Since it's for non-commercial use only, I'm pretty sure it doesn't count as a free license. However, you could probably upload it under fair use for use in the article namespace only. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 19:35, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

printable version

How do I get the photos and images to print without the pink covering? it dosen't look to good for a report. Thanks John —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.227.254 (talk) 20:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

What pink covering? When I print images in wikipedia, they print as expected. Which image were you trying to print? Astronaut (talk) 20:31, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I've never noticed any pink covering. Check to make sure you're not out of green ink; if a printer runs out of green ink, it can only print red and blue, which combined look pinkish. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 20:42, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

It could be your printer.Check that it has enough ink :) Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! The Helpful One ^{(Talk) (Contributions)} 20:46, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Multiple accounts.

Is it within rules to have more than one account on a single language Wikipedia? I want to make a second one so I can split my watchlist. Zazaban (talk) 20:58, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, for very specific reasons, and if it is identified as your account (say on its userpage that it is User:Zazaban). It is fine to create another account for that reason. See Wikipedia:SOCK#Legitimate uses of alternate accounts for more. Prodego ^talk 21:01, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

use of html descriptive code

Should the html descriptive code in the following example be considered standard format? Or is it considered a unnecessary waste of code and should be deleted? If it is considered useful, I will start adding it to articles as I am editing them, if unnecessary, I will delete it when I come across it.

<!-- Categorization -->

[[Category:Video game gameplay| ]]

[[Category:Game design]]

{{videogame-gameplay-stub}}

<!-- Other languages -->

[[ca:Jugabilitat]]

Thank you for your assistance in advance. Dbiel ^(Talk) 21:27, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I think it doesn't matter. I wouldn't change it either way. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:19, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I will take a similarly bold stand for indecisiveness. Descriptive HTML comments may help document Wikipedia's internal workings for new editors, but such comments would be better if they could (somehow) link to the help pages that explain what's going on. Someone who has not read Help:Category isn't going to get much help from a comment that simply says "Categorization". Similarly, the descriptive string "Other languages" doesn't help as much as would a link to Help:Interlanguage links. However, there's no way I know of to make links to help pages from inside HTML comments that would actually be functional (without also appearing on the rendered page, in violation of WP:SELFREF). Of course, even a link that requires copying and pasting into the Search field is better than nothing, so if you're going to add such comments, how about:

• <!-- Categorization; see: Help:Category -->
• <!-- Other languages; see: Help:Interlanguage links -->

Then a new editor can get to the relevant help pages with a copy and paste; that's a bit more work than one click, but it's better than leaving people in the dark. It's too bad we don't have an Integrated development environment for Wikipedia; then the editor could provide context-sensitive links to the help pages that tell what every chunk of code means. Instead, most Wikipedia editors do their editing in just about the most bare-bones editor in common use, the edit window of a Web browser. To its credit, Wikipedia has about the best and most comprehensive online documentation I have ever seen in any software system in my 20+ years of computing, but the burden is on the user to figure out how to look stuff up. Of course we also have the Help desk to provide any level of explanation a user needs. --Teratornis (talk) 01:49, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

history of usa

history of U.S —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.124.166.234 (talk) 21:33, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

This has no use. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! The Helpful One ^{(Talk) (Contributions)} 21:38, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Not very helpful in this case. ;)

Try History of the United States (and next time search using the box on the left of every page - it's a lot quicker) --Seans Potato Business 22:10, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Page title convention

Should the main page of an article (where the content is, cf. redirects) be "PCR optimization" or "polymerase chain reaction optimization"? Where is the guideline that tells wikipedians how to decide the main title for an article? --Seans Potato Business 21:40, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

The guideline you are looking for is Wikipedia:Naming conventions. I'm not sure if it will help you decide the correct title of your example article, however. --Aqwis (talk – contributions) 21:44, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

thx. went with the extended version --Seans Potato Business 21:51, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Reference not producing clickable link; please assist

I added a reference to the Polymerase chain reaction inhibitors article but it isn't occurring as a clickable link at the bottom of the page. Can someone help with this? --Seans Potato Business 22:05, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I have completed the URL with http:// in front.[3] PrimeHunter (talk) 22:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! --Seans Potato Business 22:20, 15 December 2007 (UTC)