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June 22

skarangermuffintop

My friend and i created a page yesterday, and it was deleted over night, however when I searched in deleted logs, it could not be found. I have re-posted the page, and want to ensure it is not deleted again. It was deleted almost instantly, only i just found out it is due to notability. I have seen a great deal of fraternities listed on wikipedia, and I would like to know the best way to prove notability for ours, so that the page can continue to exist? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skarangermuffintop (talk • contribs)

Note: The article is Sigma Kappa Alpha and Skarangermuffintop also asked on editor talk pages with responses on User talk:Skarangermuffintop. PrimeHunter 00:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Translating specific words

Is there a page/site in Wikipedia whereby I can get a word translated from German or Italian into English? 71.177.31.122 00:54, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Nope, Wikipedia is not a translation service. If you are looking for the smae article in another language, there is a box on the lower left that will link to a different language Wikipedia. Google has a translation service under the link "language tools" that can make a rough translation if you need to translate specific words. --_Hdt83 ^Chat 00:57, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

On Wikipedia, not really, though you can fake it pretty well by following the interlingual links at the bottom left of the page if you want the foreign name for an English article's concept. Wiktionary, however, does compile word translations, so you can check there. (Also try searching the foreign language's wiktionary, they sometimes will have the English translation listed on their pages even if en.wiktionary doesn't have the crosslink.) --tjstrf talk 01:05, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

can't upload image

I uploaded an image and then tried to insert it into an article without success. Can you tell me what I did wrong? I followed your instructions above but couldn't make it. The article is "Anggun" in Spanish. Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.170.235.246 (talk • contribs).

You cannot include an English Wikipedia image (Image:Luminescence.jpg, is this the one?) onto a Spanish Wikipedia article (all images are local to that language Wikipedia unless you host it on the Wikipedia Commons - and that image will not qualify). Upload it to the Spanish Wikipedia - but be aware that the Spanish Wikipedia may have different guidelines.

While you are at it, please provide a fair-use rationale (in Spanish) on the image on the Spanish Wikipedia upload, and you might want to put the caption in Spanish, too. x42bn6 Talk Mess 01:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Transportation in Wyoming Territory 1859 - 1909 ( or words similar)

Yes, I didn't read all the rules - I just started writing on the topic to get it secured - approved and let you know I would like to contribute to the hisotry of Wyoming's growth during the the Stage Coach Days of days of George Lathrop(e).

Advice on how to access my entry so I can pick upon it later.

Fred—Preceding unsigned comment added by Fred E. Vanosdall (talk • contribs) 01:33, June 22, 2007

Unfortunately, this was your first edit with your username. If you created the article before you made this username, it will be difficult to find. If you created it after that, it appears the article was never actually saved. -- Kesh 02:29, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Your above edit was made 16 minutes after creating the account, so I guess you made the missing edit before having an account. You could try this: Make an edit without logging in to your account and while using the same Internet connection as when you made the missing edit. Then click "history" on the edited page, and click on the IP number at your edit. If you have a static IP number and the page you edited has not been deleted, then you should see the edit in the IP contributions. Also try to click "Talk" at your IP number. If the page was deleted then somebody may have left a message on the talk page. PrimeHunter 03:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

According to Help:Starting a new page, only logged-in, registered users can create new articles. If the question is about a new page Fred created, he could only have created it while logged in. If the page is gone now, maybe it was deleted. Unfortunately, I am not an administrator, so I can only look up the deletion log entry (if any) if I know the exact title of the article. And I don't know it. Fred, did you write your new article in the sandbox? --Teratornis 17:04, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Signature?

Hi, I've been admiring everyone's colorful signatures and made one for myself here.[1] But when I go to my preferences and paste it into the signature box and check the raw signature box I get that error message to check the code. And if I don't check the raw signature box it saves it but then when I sign the four tildes I get that same code back (or part of it). I see a few people have asked about this lately and I looked at the answers, but I still can't figure it out. What am I doing wrong?CindyBo 01:43, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

You aren't going to like my answer, but something that I found seems to be a problem is when you have font tags in a link, when I put them around the link to my page it worked. (Apparently this is on a problem in signatures.) I'll keep looking though. Redian (Talk) 02:34, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I thought it was just me missing a backslash or something. I'll play around with it.CindyBo 03:21, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Got it. I think I was making the code too long, but I don't know if that was the problem, I shortenened it and made it simpler and it worked so...CindyBo^talk 04:59, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes. I believe the length of your signature would be the problem. I once logged in just to find out that my signature had been reverted back to its original form. There was a message stating, "your signature is too long. It must be 255 characters or less". So...that would be it. Cheers!!! -Zacharycrimsonwolf 11:42, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

New User Log

Where can I find the rolling log of new user names? 203.21.40.253 02:03, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Special:Log/newusers -SpuriousQ (talk) 02:06, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Tegan and sara

I want to add a picture to the tegan and sara page how do i do that

To add a picture to a page, you will need to upload it first. Then check out WP:IMAGE for information on how to insert it in the article. --_Hdt83 ^Chat 02:11, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

talk of vandalism on my IP address 'user talk' page.

Hello,

I am very confused about why i have all these vandalism reports suddenly on my user page. Even dating back to 2005. There were reports for even editing a 'laser printer' article and a 'centre, france' article which i have never been on before, among others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:150.101.16.150&redirect=no

that is the URL for the page with the reports.

Sorry if this has been a stupid question... i don't use Wikipedia often and am very unfamiliar with it!

thankyou very much,

150.101.16.150 02:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

You probably have a dynamic IP or shared IP -- it moves around, so it could be other people doing this. I suggest making a user account to prevent these problems. --Haemo 02:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

See WP:ACCOUNT. --Teratornis 02:59, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, in my opinion this is not a stupid question. You are understandably confused as a result of Wikipedia's longstanding but strange policy to allow unregistered users to edit articles. The fact that many different users can edit using the same IP address predictably leads to this kind of confusion. Vandals seem far more likely to vandalize from IP addresses than from registered accounts, so over time lots of user talk pages for IP addresses are going to accumulate those kinds of warnings to confuse the next visitor who shares an IP address previously used by vandals. Perhaps Wikipedia should customize its presentation of user talk pages for IP addresses to explain how they work to casual users who are unlikely to understand the current implementation. If nothing else, some sort of link to a page that explains what's going on wouldn't hurt. OK, I actually tried scrolling to the bottom of such a talk page and I see that a box with some explanation is down there. Maybe it should also be at the top of the page. --Teratornis 03:05, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

This is surely the result of an IP address which other editors have used. See Special:Contributions/150.101.16.150 for all edits by that IP address. Some of them are clearly vandalism. Whether to disallow anonymous edits is often discussed and seems unlikely to happen. See for example m:Foundation issues, WP:PEREN#Prohibit anonymous users from editing, WP:VPE#Abolish anonymous users. PrimeHunter 03:43, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

True, but as I've observed before, Wikipedia has gradually reduced the editing privileges of unregistered users over the years. Unregistered users can no longer create new articles, nor can they edit semi-protected pages. Templates tend to become fully protected as a matter of course once they are used on lots of pages (since templates function as highly efficient force multipliers for vandals). The cumulative effect of such restrictions, if they continue to increase over time, may be to disallow unregistered edits while pretending we still allow them. I expect such restrictions to continue increasing because experienced editors get tired of wasting their time reverting vandalism, and everybody knows allowing unregistered edits is highly attractive vandal bait. Some argue that because unregistered users contribute so many "good" edits, we should continue to allow them, but notice that the rate of new article creation did not suffer appreciably once Wikipedia started requiring accounts for that. Clearly, there is no shortage of people who are willing to create accounts if that's what it takes to create new articles on Wikipedia. We may have driven away some potential new-article creators who refuse to create accounts, but with 6,818,901 articles and 47,333,951 registered users, does anyone care? Wikipedia has continued to grow explosively while imposing steadily more restrictions on unregistered users. Thought question: how much freedom do you think unregistered users will still have here in another five years? Will all those people who are manually reverting vandalism today still want to be doing it then? --Teratornis 16:36, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Deleted article

Hi. I recently posted a Wikipedia article on a website that I run. It is a music-related website that is the most popular website in its musical niche. The article was deleted as a "blatant advertisement." The article was actually objective in tone and included outside references for statements made. It was created not for advertisement (to be honest, it doesn't need the advertisement on Wikipedia -- that's not going to increase interest in the website), but for two reasons:

1. The site is very popular and there are often questions we receive as to its origins, and this seemed to be a proper venue for that. 2. There was some concern we had that others may create a Wikipedia page of incorrect information about the website, and this appeared to be a way to make sure that accurate information got out there.

Was our rationale inappropriate for creating this page or is this a legitimate use of Wikipedia?

• Read WP:WEB and WP:COI. —Dark•Shikari^[T] 04:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

The article should stay if it satisfies certain notability requirements. You're right in that it should be objective and have verifiable references. Although, I should also point out Wikipedia's policies on conflicts of interest and autobiographies. I realize that it's not a biographical article that you were writing but I think you'll get my point. Dismas|^(talk) 04:33, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

How do you create a Wikipedia spin-off site? Such as Lostpedia ...

Run the MediaWiki application on a server. Sancho 04:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

See b:Wiki Science/How to start a Wiki and search the Help desk for: start own wiki. Be aware that installing your own MediaWiki wiki is a big job, requiring system administrator skills and knowledge of Web servers. You also need to know a lot about editing, templates, and tons of other things, or else you will need some very knowledgeable MediaWiki users to help you. However, even though it is difficult, everything you need to know is in the extensive manuals (start with m:Help:Contents), so it's just a matter of lots of RTFM, trial and error, time, and some money for the hardware and Internet connection. If you are smart and very determined, you will probably succeed. To ask questions specifically about MediaWiki administration, please use mw:Project:Support desk. --Teratornis 15:34, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I should also mention that you can install MediaWiki on your personal computer and practice editing and administering it as your personal wiki. See: mw:Manual:Wiki on a stick. I have installed MediaWiki under XAMPP and it runs without a problem, even on old Windows 98 computers. Running MediaWiki "on a stick" is an accessible way to learn what you are doing before you try to run it on a Web server. --Teratornis 15:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

References question

Recently a user put a references tag on the Celebrities section of the Playboy article. Since the magazine is a published work, doesn't it sort of count for its own reference? Or would each name in that section need a reference other than the magazine itself, for instance an article in People or Sports Illustrated, that discusses the photospread? Dismas|^(talk) 04:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

That's a silly tag use there -- the magazine issues give are clear references. I'd just remove it. --Haemo 05:03, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Cannot join discussion

I am new here and I noticed that I cannot post anything on certain discussion boards (eg. Naruto the Movie 3). (LatiRider 05:06, 22 June 2007 (UTC))

Looks like you did to me. Try refreshing - it could just be an old version caught in your cache. --Haemo 05:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Disclamer Addition

I just reasently added a Disclamer to my User Page, as not to get visitors confused. Should I remove it? (LatiRider 06:08, 22 June 2007 (UTC))

The disclaimer confuses me. I would remove it. LaraLove^T/_C 06:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

How can I set up a poll on the page?

Hi,

I just got few questions. What do I have to do if I want to set up a poll on the page to especially vote for the modification of a certain term? would there be a specific guidelline or criteria for a thing such as a designated period for the poll, and how can the outcome of a poll be used to decide(Do 51% pros mean the final decision to be adopted to change the term ultimately?). Finally, I'd like to know how I can establish the poll on the page?

Jay Econ1242 06:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not operate on polling, therefore there is no software in place to manage a poll. What you should be doing is talking with people on the article's Talk page to get a consensus of what should be done. Let the conversation run its course and, when it seems there is agreement, the changes can be made (or not) based on that consensus. -- Kesh 06:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Straw_polls may be a helpful resource for you. LaraLove^T/_C 06:29, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflicht) As for sysopping, see WP:RFA. As for polling; please don't do it. Polls are not used, as Wikipedia is all about consensus through discussions, rather than a majority vote. Do the changes you want to an article, if someone has objections you use the talkpage to come up with something which is ok for all participants. Polling are only used in a few circumstances, such as when we are finding new members for the arbitration committee or electing new members for the Wikimedia board. Jimbo have on several occasions stopped attempts to use polls on other issues, so this is something that should be avoided as much as possible. Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 06:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Cannot Edit

I have noticed on some pages (such as Gamefaqs) that it says that you cannot edit it until (insert date here) why is that? (LatiRider 06:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC))

See Wikipedia:Protection policy. Basically, the page has been vandalized so heavily, it has been protected from edits. Eventually, the protection will be lifted in the hopes that vandals have moved on elsewhere, and normal editing can resume. -- Kesh 06:25, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict}:Hi, LatiRider. Thanks for posting your question. The template you are referring to explains that the page is being protected due to vandalism. Established registered users can make edit, but those who are unregistered or recently registered cannot. Click the links within the template for further information. LaraLove^T/_C 06:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Login password problem

Resolved

My username is hemantusa - having forgotten my password I requested a new password which was mailed to my registered email address. When I tried to use the password which was emailed to me I am unable to log in. Please help. please reply to my registered email address - thanks.

Sorry - the problem has been resolved - the system just needed some time before the emailed temporary password could be used

Emoticons

Are Emoticons prohibited in the discussion boards? (LatiRider 06:56, 22 June 2007 (UTC))

Emoticons are allowed (see also Wikipedia:Emoticons). Freestyle 07:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

How can i place the image in the article

I recently become a user of wikipedia. I have written a article and uploaded the image but cant place it in the text.. please help. When will the article be approved? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moonisrahman (talk • contribs)

See our image directions for some help. --Haemo 08:08, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

As for your second question, we don't approve articles after their creation, if that is what you mean, they go 'live' right away. Many new articles do get deleted, however, so that is a kind of delayed approval system. ssepp^(talk) 10:25, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Why was my article deleted? for more information about how deletion works. You should monitor your new article every day for a while to see if anyone tags it for deletion. If you have any questions about that, you can ask here. --Teratornis 15:21, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I see you have a copyright problem with the Image:Bikky_khosla1.jpg you uploaded. On Wikipedia we cannot just scan images from copyrighted publications and upload them here. --Teratornis 15:24, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

how do you rename an article

On Wikipedia i have seen an article on Jo Cornish who got married recently and i went to the editing page for that article to change her name to Jo Palmer, which is already in the rest of the article, but it seems impossible to rename the title; how can it be done? 203.57.214.178 10:08, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Response on the user's talk page – –Sebi ~ 10:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

There's no need to change the title of this article. I've left a note on the talk page as well. Peacent 10:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

how can we post teh description of our NGO?

Hello,

I want to ask you something. We are a NGO from Romania and we want to add the description of our organization on Wikipedia site. How can be done this thing? Thank you.

Hello. If you'd like to an article about your NGO, put a request at Wikipedia:Requested articles. Or you can learn how to create a new article at Help:Starting a new article. Also, check out: Wikipedia:Your first article. And you can sign your messages by typing ~~~~! Try it, and have a nice day! -Zacharycrimsonwolf 13:51, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

You might want to start by writing about your NGO on the Romanian Wikipedia. The English Wikipedia (the one you are viewing now) deletes thousands of new articles which do not comply with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Experience shows many new users have trouble grasping these policies and guidelines well enough to create new articles that "stick." While I have no experience with the Romanian Wikipedia, I'd guess because it is smaller than the English Wikipedia, and probably more focused on topics relating to Romania, the editors there might be more forgiving and likely to help you develop your article to comply with policies and guidelines rather than simply deleting it as the overtaxed administrators on the English Wikipedia often have to do (because there isn't enough available skilled labor to repair the thousands of non-compliant articles started by new users every day). Once your article is in encyclopedic shape on the Romanian Wikipedia, you could translate it to English and add it here. --Teratornis 15:14, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Re:Sources

Hi. How do you exactly cite your source? I've read the page but i don't really understand. Where are you supposed to put it? And if I take information from a particular book, wouldn't that be violating their copyright? -Zacharycrimsonwolf 13:35, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

• Information is not copyrightable. A phrase can be, long passages of text are, but a simple fact or opinion is not. Look at Template:cite, use <ref> The Reference </ref> to include a reference. Cheers, WilyD 14:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Pages such as WP:CITE and WP:CITET can be hard to understand by themselves. Fortunately on Wikipedia we also have 6,818,901 articles to study as examples, although usually it's best to study just the featured articles and good articles to see what their wikitext looks like. Many articles on Wikipedia only partially comply with our policies and guidelines, whereas the featured articles are Wikipedia's best work. So just start perusing the featured articles until you find one that uses a referencing style you like. Click the edit link and view the article's wikitext to see how it works. The ability to learn from examples and apply similar techniques to one's own work is pretty much the foundation of everything we do here. It is possible to only read the manuals and edit from a blank page, but many people find it easier to copy an example and edit it into what they want. I believe Jerry Pournelle wrote "You can never have too many examples" so he probably likes the large number we have here. --Teratornis 15:04, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

• Okay. Thanks all. -Zacharycrimsonwolf 15:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Canibis

Canibis I am having a discussion on the amount of time it takes for T H C, in canibis to leave a persons body. I say it takes 30 to 40 days, if a person is a daily user,or more, and 7 to 10 days, if a once a week user. Am I dead wrong, or right on target.

Thank You, Stan

You could start by reading Pharmacokinetics and following links therefrom. Also, the answer would depend on what you mean by "leave." Perhaps you mean "drop to a concentration undetectable with currently available drug-testing technology." In any case, I recommend that you heed the advice of counselor Mackey from South Park and "don't smoke marijuana, because marijuana is bad, m'kay?" --Teratornis 14:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

creating tabs

I am currently creating (actually dreaming to create) a tabbed page such as this found in Wikipedia Tutorial. Unfortunately, i can't create one because the codes are quite complicated for me. I am not a computer scientist but a biochemist. Simply copy-pasting the codes is still complicated for me. Is there a simpler way to create tabs? Or better, and if possible, kindly send me a ready made tabbed page containing 4 tabs with headings - Aim, Theory, Practice, References. Or whatever that works best and simplest for Wiki- and computer-neophytes. Thanks, Enzo

They aren't "tabs". It is just a table with a light blue border and purplish backgrounds on the cells. Look at Help:Table for info on making tables. -- _(¿ʇɐɥʍ) ʍɐuıɐʞ 14:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Printing Wikepedia pages

I have an inquiry to you in regards to printing of Wikipedia pages.
Point in case: Internal combustion engine
This page does not print correctly - even using the "Printable Page" function, because of a floating table on the page. Is there a way (for me) to fix that or is this a browser problem ? I use I.E. 6.0. --PGCohen 15:33, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

It's a pragmatic solution but can you print it here? I made a copy of the article in my userpace and removed the table. I realize this doesn't solve the general problem of printing similar articles, but I don't know the solution to that. ssepp^(talk) 18:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Please help with mapping coordinates

As one example, I found that the train station listed at Charlotte (Amtrak station) has incorrect coordinates. I used the hjl_get_Coor tool for Google Earth to determine that the correct coordinates are really 35°14228.43N, 80°49221.53W which wiki codes out to {{Coor dms|35|14|28.4|N|80|49|21.5|W}}. Good, but I'm having trouble placing these coordinates on the page.

If this were a city I'd just put the code in a sentence like "Northport is located at {{coor dms|40|54|10|N|73|20|39|W|city}}" and the coordinates magically show up in the top right corner of the page. However there are no coor references on the page for me to fix (yet the coordinates are showing up in the top right corner anyway). It appears that those coordinates are coming from the Maps code in the external links section: {{Geolinks-US-buildingscale|35.24243|-80.823627}}.

First, I'm unfamiliar with the Geolinks-US-buildingscale tag. What's the deal with multiple geographic location tags? Can I use the {{coor}} template as specified here? Can both tags co-exist on the same page? What happens if coor coordinates don't exactly match the location of the Geolinks location. Second, my coordinates are not the same format as those displayed in the Geolinks-US-buildingscale tag and they do not appear to be compatible so I can't plug my coordinates into that other template.

What to do?

Thanks --Fife Club 16:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

We are supposed to use {{Coord}} for all geographic coordinates now, according to its page. It replaces older templates such as {{Geolinks-US-buildingscale}} (the idea with the "buildingscale" is to control the zoom level in the resulting page of links to mapping sites). See Template:Coord#Usage for instructions on how to control the display and zoom level of coordinates. --Teratornis 17:25, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. So let me see if I got this right...

A) I should add the correct location somewhere (anywhere) in the article in the form of {{Coor dms|35|14|28.4|N|80|49|21.5|W|display=landmark}}

B) Am I supposed to remove all of those Geolinks? This would remove all maps from the external links section. I see those map links on so many different pages all over Wikipedia and whatever I do to this example page I'll likely repeat again and again on other articles so I want to fully understand the correct process.

Mario Procaccino Time Cover

It's beautiful, there are plenty of other time covers all over the place How do I get it in the article?Ericl 16:23, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

You mean the cover of Time magazine? That is copyrighted. It shouldn't be used in Wikipedia. -- _(¿ʇɐɥʍ) ʍɐuıɐʞ 16:29, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Copyrighted images can sometimes be used under WP:Fair use, but I think a picture of Time magazine could only be fair use in an article about Time magazine. ssepp^(talk) 18:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

+/- followed by a number in the watchlist?

What are the numbers in my watchlist? Example:

(diff) (hist) . . User talk:‎; 14:26 . . (+237) . . Akiramenai (Talk | contribs) (→Hi) In this case I don't understand what the +237 stands for. Does it indicate how many characters have been added since the last edit?

Akiramenai 16:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

To be more precise, it is the difference in the number of characters between the old and new versions. So, for example, if I replace the word "hedgehog" with "Sonic" in an article, it will come up as -3. -- _(¿ʇɐɥʍ) ʍɐuıɐʞ 16:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Cite Web

I use the {{Cite Web}} template frequently when sourcing articles. I also update the "accessdate" parameter with the current date when I access an online reference and see that the information is still correct. My recent edit to an article was reverted by a user who informed me that wikipedia's policy is that the accessdate is set only once, and that's when the source was first added to the article. I thought a more recent date would confirm to readers that the information has been verifired and is current. Can you elaborate on when the accessdate should be updated?--Ccson 17:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I have no (pre-existing) idea, but there is some discussion here: Template talk:Cite web/Archive 01#Accessdate. The help text on the {{Cite web}} page itself for the accessdate parameter is ambiguous. I suggest you copy your question to Template talk:Cite web if you don't get an answer here or find it already on the template talk page or the archived talk pages. It would be nice to clarify this issue on the {{Cite web}} page itself. --Teratornis 17:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, I would be surprised to learn that this usage issue really rises to the level of a policy, but maybe it does. It sounds to me more like a guideline. But what do I know? --Teratornis 17:14, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

My personal pages are used to track my personal info

I experimented with using my real name as id, which I ended only after short period. For the sake of honesty, I made sure that people can see who I was and am by stating my id change in my profile page. Unfortunately, one of a heated edit dispute caused one member to track my personal information and out these infor about me in wikipedia. The person was warned. Still, I removed myself from editing article about Buddhism. That was last year. Recently, someone else used my real name i.d. to track me and my posts. I would like to apply for page wipe for my profile pages which are no longer used for a long time. Where can I make this request? Vapour 17:38, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

See Right to Vanish. -- Kesh 00:15, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

editing the title line

Hi, I just want to edit the page title. No redirects, no moves...just want to rename it...Actually, I just want to add (cont.) to the end of the page title...

Thanks, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guinness777 (talk • contribs)

You can't. You have to move the current page title to a new page title. -- _(¿ʇɐɥʍ) ʍɐuıɐʞ 17:34, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

A page move is the same as a rename. Which page is it? Then we can see whether the move satisfies Wikipedia:Naming conventions, and your account is too new to move pages. PrimeHunter 18:06, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

How to redirect???

Hi, I've created an article and I don't know how to make it so that if you type a few key words into the search bar it will come up with my article. My article is NRT Incorporated and the only way I can search for it is by typing it in exactly like that. It's case sensitive, too. I wanted to know how to make it so that if someone typed in nrt, NRT, nrt incorporated, nrt inc, etc. it would either redirect them to that page or to a disambiguation page (still not really sure what those are). Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jaysun42 17:43, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Make pages at the redirect with the content #REDIRECT [[NRT Incorporated]]. --Haemo 17:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Yep. Redirects are created as separate pages, so make a new page for each alternative spelling with the above content. - Zeibura ^(Talk) 17:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

NRT is a disambiguation page and should remain so. I have added [2] an entry for NRT Incorporated. nrt should redirect to NRT, so I will do that now. PrimeHunter 17:54, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks a lot everyone! Jaysun42 17:56, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Problems with image tagging

I would like to know what is the correct tag for using a portrait-type photograph such as actors use - commonly known as a "head shot". With these type of pictures, a commercial photographer takes the picture, but the subject purchases all rights to use of the picture.

I have had a picture deleted twice, not because it wasn't relevant but because it had the wrong tag. The subject has given full permission for the use of this photo.

Jo

{{promotional}} I believe is what you're looking for. Dismas|^(talk) 11:47, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, not really because it is not copyrighted. It should be some sort of free use, but I don't know what tag to use. It's not a promotional photo connected with an event, more of an official portrait. What would be the tag for this?

No, they are definitely under copyright -- specifically, that of the subject of the photo. Also, as it says: "images of living people that merely show what they look like to be replaceable by free-licensed images and unsuitable for the project." --Haemo 18:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

This is a photo of a living person that has been released for use. It is NOT copyrighted. It can be used freely in any media to illustrate the subject, as can photos kept on file at newspapers. What would be the proper tag?

Are you absolutely sure about that? Because celebrity head shots are typically not released, and are still copyrighted by the celebrity. However, if that's the case, then you need to know what license it was released under -- simply being released for non-commercial use is not enough. --Haemo 18:29, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely sure. The subject had the pictures taken and purchased the rights. He has given permission to use the shot in all media as an official portrait. In fact, he sent it to me after I made the request.

I tried using this tag "Non-free promotional" "Withpermission" but it was rejected as improperly tagged.

Simply giving permission for use does not remove the owner's copyright -- most headshots are the copyright of the artist, but are freely given to media for promotional purposes. The tag you've selected, above, shows that it is copyrighted, but asserts fair use. While this is correct, under our license, this is still invalid, since the subject of the photo is still alive, and thus a free replacement could be made. As it says, "Please note that our policy usually considers fair use images of living people that merely show what they look like to be replaceable by free-licensed images and unsuitable for the project" --Haemo 18:42, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Just as a note. Most head shots are the property of the subject, not the artist. For commercial head shot shoots such as actors or authors would use, the rights are purchased by the subject in the package. This is not always the case, but is usually so for commercial photographers that do this type of work. - Gal

Note that images that do not permit both commercial reuse and derivative works are not considered free on Wikipedia. If it is not free it can still be used under some conditions. This is a list of tags for non-free content. ssepp^(talk) 18:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks ssep, but the only tag applicable there was the one I used, and it was rejected as the wrong tag. All I'm trying to find out is what is the right one.

Perhaps you could ask the admin who deleted the image. If you don't know who it was you can find that out at Special:Log/delete by doing a search. ssepp^(talk) 20:54, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Question about Links

Can you make a link on Wiki page open in a new window or tab? 19:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)~~CG

Yes - right click it an select "Open in new window/tab" --Haemo 20:54, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

If you're using Windows. For Mac, I have no idea. Probably like Apple-click? --Haemo 20:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry I was not clear...I mean when anybody clicks on it... like using target="_blank" in HTML. So it will automatically open a new window. I am working on my companies Wikimedia and we could not find it anywhere. Thanks so much for the other answer. 20:59, 22 June 2007 (UTC)Bookworm134

How do I clear the seach history in the Wikipedia search field?

24.69.55.231 20:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Which browser are you currently using? -Andrew4010 20:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

This question comes up frequently on the Help desk. --Teratornis 11:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I need an administrator NOW

As you can see from this page, there is a bit of an edit war going on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godzillasaurus

If you look at the discussion section, I have presented facts (screencaps and video clips) which prove I'm right. Heck, I've even provided a link to a forum where everyone agrees with what I say. Angry Sun on the other hand refuses to accept any proof I offer, be it pictoral or even video. All he does is whine, stating that my sources arent good enough and hypocritically claiming that his so called experience with watching Godzilla films makes him a viable source. As you can see from the discussion section and the history of the main article, I've tried reasoning with him and presenting facts. He refuses to accept anything. Now it is up to an administrator. 87.102.18.77 20:43, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't think you need an administrator, yet. I get into worse fights than this on Wikipedia, most days, and I'm one of the nice guys. I suggest you keep talking. If you still feel the same way in two days, I then I suggest you look at WP:RFC. But keep trying at the talk page first! Best wishes, AndyJones 20:56, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I am going to have to agree with User:AndyJones. You both need to be careful as to not violate WP:3RR as well. - Andrew4010 21:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Logo permissions

The European Space Agency (ESA) logo (previously Logo_ESA.png, now seems to be ESA LOGO.svg) was removed from Landings on other planets (and some other similar lists) because it was "only a decorative use". I'm wondering if the ESA really would object to a tiny rendition of their logo being used to identify their missions on pages like this. Is there any official Wikipedia policy or procedure in cases such as this for contacting the logo owners and asking for permission? Matt 20:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC).

The problem is that it is copyrighted, and thus the only use allowed is fair use. Fair use does not extend to decorative uses. Unfortunately, even if they give their permission, they have to agree to license the logo under a license which is acceptable under the GFDL. I don't think this is going to happen. --Haemo 20:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Copyright and modified figures

Hey, I have a brief question about copyright issues... The case is that I would like to introduce a figure in an article that stems from a (copyrighted) scientific paper. I would of course like the figure to be as correct as possible, so I'm thinking about extracting a curve (drawing on top or tracing it) and reproduce it in a new figure.... I am not sure whether this would be an infrigement of the copyrights on the original paper.... Any thoughts...?

Kjaergaard 21:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... it seems to me that this would fall under fair use, but it depends on why you wish to include the figure. Could you elaborate? Charlie-talk to me-what I've done 03:25, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

To illustrate scientific data obtained with a particular technique. Kjaergaard 11:31, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

hillary rodham clinton

the boxes at bottom with preceding and succeeding have wrong names: lunsford and daniels should be pryor and white. there does not appear to be any way to edit this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.94.143.240 (talk • contribs)

The page is semi-protected to prevent vandalism. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)#Patronymics - people with two last names - maiden name, patronymic, and/or last name of husband? says: "Apply the general rule of the form of the name that is most common for referring to the person in question". They were married to governors Pryor and White. Maybe the names "Barbara Jean Lunsford Pryor" and "Gay Daniels White" are less commonly used than "Barbara Jean Lunsford" and "Gay Daniels". PrimeHunter 22:02, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Naming Conventions

Hi. Does Wikipedia:Naming conventions (events) apply only to article names, or also to section headings within articles? I am involved in a mild dispute about the name of a heading in an article, which describes a recent event and everytime I revert the heading to the event name, others come along and change it, citing WP:NPOV, WP:V, and bizarrely enough WP:VAN. However, the name of the event (which at least two users claim is partisan and NPOV) is (using the Google litmus test) the most common name by over 29,000 hits (the preferred name of the other users garners 2 hits, one of which is the article). I am not alone in this, as many others change the article title also, but the same group of users reverts it. So yes, to reitterate, does Wikipedia:Naming conventions (events) also apply for section headers? WookMuff 21:47, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

The main article is Wikipedia:Naming conventions which clearly says it's for article names. Having the most common name as article name is important for linking and searching. Other things can be considered when choosing section headings. PrimeHunter 22:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Lost belongings

Tis Hazari Courts Delhi

sub: petition dear sir,

this refers coming here on some sort of business permit in nov. 2003 from delhi...and i have lot of problems here to the extent that all my bags, belongings, money passport business material and other things are either stolen, snatched, theft, robbed or opened room in my absence, or taken by the police here without any valid papers or reasons. the matter here is not getting heardupon, iam lookin to file petition, if you could contact me, ( iwould be on email again4.00 afternoon of yourstoday) so that to send details of all money claim realising through the consulate of indonesia, delhi.

awaiting reply, yours sincerely rajeev propreiter technos ltd.

cc;file/ message sent from jakarta,indonesia 23/6/07 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.80.123.89 (talk)

This is the help desk for the encyclopedia Wikipedia. We cannot help you with your problem. PrimeHunter 22:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

How to get rid of those goofy formatting boxes

I just did my first article/stub, and i was wondering how to get rid of the outling boxes within an article.--Heroftheday 23:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Don't start a line with a space. PrimeHunter 23:24, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Working with a huge table

I've got a minor disaster at List of The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest episodes, which features a table ported from my website. What's the easiest way to remove the screenshot column without messing up the entire thing? Zeality 23:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

It looks like you're going to have to go through every entry and remove the column section. --Haemo 00:48, 23 June 2007 (UTC)