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March 26[edit]

My signature[edit]

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 – Mysdaao talk 01:04, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My signature has suddenly changed and I do not know why-but I suspect it may have something to do with the fact that I changed the set preferences prior to the change. Please revert it immediately. Regards. [[User:Immunize|Immunize]] ([[User talk:Immunize#top|talk]]) (talk) 19:57, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody can revert a change in your preferences except you. You probably need to check the "Sign my name exactly as shown" box under your signature to make it work again. --Mysdaao talk 20:03, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You did see what happened to my signature, right? [[User:Immunize|Immunize]] ([[User talk:Immunize#top|talk]]) (talk) 22:33, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I see it. Is the "Sign my name exactly as shown" box checked in your preferences? --Mysdaao talk 22:52, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, it is not. [[User:Immunize|Immunize]] ([[User talk:Immunize#top|talk]]) (talk) 22:56, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In that case you should check that box. Calvin 1998 (t·c) 23:14, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I already have. I saw the edit summary left by Mysdaao (talk · contribs) and that alone was enough to make me realize that that would fix the problem. Immunize (talk) 23:16, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Watchlist settings...[edit]

Hello all. I have seemed to set a setting somewhere that says "all pages with edits I make should be watched". I turned it off in my preferences, but it's still coming back. I'm twinkling at the moment, and my watchlist is getting filled with vandals' talk pages. Help would be appreciated. Hmmwhatsthisdo (talk) 06:53, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that, for some reason, is a default setting of Twinkle. Take a look at Wikipedia:Twinkle/doc#Configuration to learn how to turn it off. That should work if you have Twinkle installed through the Gadgets tab in Special:Preferences or if you installed it the "old-fashioned way", by pasting it into your [skin].js. Xenon54 / talk / 10:20, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I happened to have the same problem recently, so I have the answer; edit your JavaScript file (standard warnings apply) which, assuming you are using the standard 'monobook' skin, will be User:Hmmwhatsthisdo/monobook.js, and add this;
//TW CONFIG
if( typeof( TwinkleConfig ) == 'undefined' ) TwinkleConfig = {}; // DO NOT REMOVE THIS LINE - ALL TWINKLE SETTINGS AFTER THIS
TwinkleConfig.watchProdPages	=	false;
TwinkleConfig.watchRevertedPages=	[];
TwinkleConfig.watchSpeedyPages	=	[];
TwinkleConfig.watchWarnings	=	false;
//TW END
That should disable all the watching performed by Twinkle (whether it is installed as a gadget, or the old-fashioned way).  Chzz  ►  11:02, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Now, if I reset (Watch pages I create/edit) on my preferences, will this override that? Hmmwhatsthisdo (talk) 21:10, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Encyclopedic?[edit]

I note that the following sentence has recently been added to Patsy Cline: For more information on upcoming shows, including Fiddlehead Theatre Company's production, visit [1]. Is this sort of promotional language/link acceptable on Wikipedia? (I don't think so but thought I'd ask). Thanks, RadioBroadcast (talk) 03:24, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to be a spam link (for a Broadway type show)... which someone else has removed for us. Astronaut (talk) 03:31, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Where is Joanna Smith II Gambling ship[edit]

I have an 4 page invite dated 1933 showing a picture of Joanna Smith II to board for music dinner and gambling..A totally different ship from the original which burned in 1932..I would appreciate any information...I see the listing for Joanna Smith which was built in 1917..a lumber ship however the JS II was a completely different ship... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.20.251 (talk) 03:44, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the referece desk for any knowledge-related questions. Kayau Voting IS evil 04:11, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If you're suggesting that we're missing an article about Joanna Smith II, and you believe this ship meets our notability inclusion requirements, please add it to the list at Requested Articles - or you could be bold and create it yourself. Our guide to writing your first article shows you how. Gonzonoir (talk) 12:10, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Problem clicking links[edit]

Why cant I click links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.92.85.91 (talk) 05:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What happens when you try to click links? Someguy1221 (talk) 05:47, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Can you give an example of a link you cannot click? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:21, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Is the link external, ie it links to a site outside Wikipedia? Kayau Voting IS evil 12:54, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Uploading a PDF and giving a link[edit]

Hi, Wanted to know, if I can upload PDF files. We have a page on Indian Express Newspapers in wikipedia. I wanted to add more content to it. But I have PDFs of the same. Can I give a link from the page so that the new window opens in a separate window as a PDF page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vyasiv (talk • contribs) 06:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You can put it as an external link to it AFAIK as long as it's on a website. Things like this can't be uploaded into Wikipedia or the Commons, to my knowledge. But don't quote me on it. Hmmwhatsthisdo (talk) 06:55, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The first question would be, what is the copyright status of the file? We can only upload files with appropriate copyright permissions.
Secondly, as stated, we do not use PDF format normally (it is technically possible, but very much an experimental/special case, for example WikiReader). Usually, a PDF should be converted into regular article text/pictures etc. or, if it is appropriate, it could go on Wikisource instead. - but there is no way to make it 'open in a new window'.
External links open in a new window; that sounds like your best chance - see the external linking policy.  Chzz  ►  10:55, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
External links do not open in a new window by default. Logged in users have the option "Open external links in a new tab/window" under Gadgets at Special:Preferences. It sounds like you enabled it. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:19, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple vandal-only accounts[edit]

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There is a recent pattern of edits of Samuel Taylor Coleridge that suggests mutiple accounts created for the sole purpose of vandalism, and that they are all the same person. The names are Rammy x, Ramsinyyy, Fvdcsx12, and also IP 86.132.213.94. Advice, please, on what action should be taken, and how? Jan1naD (talk • contrib) 09:51, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Head to Sockpuppet investigations. Xenon54 / talk / 10:15, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Information[edit]

Are all the information that are on Wikipedia true or just lies, because i use the information from Wikipedia for school work and i don't want to lie about something just because someone put wrong information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by AussieBoyV (talk • contribs) 11:55, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully any "lies" are spotted and corrected; unfortunately some are overlooked. What you should be doing is following the reference links (the little [1]) and then reading up from the source which is then given. That way you can be sure. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:04, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Have a look at our guide to researching with Wikipedia. In a nutshell, because of the way it is written and edited, Wikipedia shouldn't be used as primary source, but offers lots of valuable information to get you started. Gonzonoir (talk) 12:06, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Always try and find more than one source to use. I don't know how old you are, but as you get further along in school, you should be using sources like Wikipedia less and less. As said above though, it's a good starting point.--BelovedFreak 12:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's always an issue using Wikipedia as a source for your projects as Wikipedia can be edited by anybody and the base qualifying criterion for including any information on Wikipedia is verifiability, and not truth. This is not to say that any/all/some material on Wikipedia is a lie; it might not be at all. But this means that Wikipedia by itself cannot be considered a reliable source. But it is always better to show caution while using Wikipedia as a source, especially for your school project. My personal suggestion is, use it as a starting point for your research, not as the end point. ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ ―Œ ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣ 09:47, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Balance between "Primary Future" vs. "Secondary Past" references[edit]

Which of these two would be preferred as a reference for the date of a National Conference of an organization which occured more than a decade ago.? A) A website with a scanned image of the National Organization's quarterly magazine immediately prior to the event inviting members to the event or B) a website of a local chapter talking about experiencing the event. I know there is "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball", but should that downgrade references for a past event which are announcements about the event? Yes, the answer is probably to list both references...Naraht (talk) 12:32, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As you say, I think adding both is best; I also think that source B in your example is probably a "primary source" in the Wikipedia sense, in that it was generated by people involved in the event themselves. Best of all would be an imaginary source C, being newspaper coverage of the event. (Though as the example is a reference only for an event's date, provided that detail was uncontroversial primary sources would probably be acceptable.) If you want more input, the reliable sources noticeboard might have more knowledgeable commentators. Gonzonoir (talk) 13:51, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The announcement that dates from before the event is a reliable source for the announcement, but not for the subsequent event. You could use the announcement to footnote the claim that the organization announced on a certain date that it would hold a meeting at some later date. To support the claim that event later occurred, ideally you would need another source which could verify that it did. Obviously that source would have to date from after the event to be reliable. To pick an extreme example, you might find a source that announced a meeting in the World Trade Center with the publication date of the announcement before September 11, 2001 and the announced meeting date after. At the time of the announcement, the announcers probably could not have known their plans would encounter some difficulty. The basic principle is: use a source to support the specific claims it supports, and no more. Avoid inferring beyond the source; without other sources to directly support such inferences, that would constitute original work. But note that everything on Wikipedia depends on what users will object to. If nobody ever disputes your use of a particular source, then practically speaking it is not wrong. The more strictly you adhere to the rules, the less likely you are to run into conflicts with other users, or lose when you do. --Teratornis (talk) 20:44, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And see Hindsight bias and Black swan theory. We tend to read historical documents differently than the people alive at the time read them. When you use a dated source, try not to read more into it than it could have meant to a reader at its time of publication. --Teratornis (talk) 20:51, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mini-Wiki[edit]

How do you get a wiki as I like to start one, also what is a small wiki as I am confused as to whether it is the same thing as a wiki project such as wikibooks. It would helpful if someone points me in the right direction as I am unsure where to go. Thanks Paul2387 15:02, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing called "mini-wiki" within Wikipedia itself, but MiniWiki.org is a mirror site of Wikipedia. A WikiProject is a project within Wikipedia that usually seeks to increase collaboration among editors on articles related to a specific topic. If you are interested in starting one, see Wikipedia:WikiProject. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 15:28, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Read the following to sort out the confusing terminology:
--Teratornis (talk) 19:10, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmed Bayonle Arashi[edit]

collapsing draft article

Young and enterprising Ahmed Bayonle Arashi is someone you can describe as VERSATILE individual born in Ibadan Oyo state of Nigeria, he has been in Media for over a decade with special attention in Broadcasting, and has worked in all the most important departments in the Industry from Marketing, Directing, Producing, and Cinematography to Editing.

He is one of the best Football Matches and Live event Directors in Nigeria and has covered local and international football competitions such as the Nations cup in Mali 2002, Tunisia 2004, Egypt 2006 and Ghana in 2008 as well as some of the Nigeria’s National team world and nation’s cup qualifiers for both the senior and junior team around Africa and Europe.

He formed his own company MIDAS MEDIA CONSULT in December 2006 and incorporated in September 2007 as a Football/Media Management company, the company’s services includes products and services branding through football, management of football players, football event organizers and consultant, training tours for football clubs and teams around the world and Broadcast content production management.

Arashi is married and has many acronyms to his name; he is a member of several top social and professional organisations around the world. He is a Microsoft certified system engineer (MCSE) A member of Academy of Entrepreneurial studies A.AES, Successful Entrepreneur Network SSN, National Society of Cinematographer NSC to mention a few.

In July 2009 Ahmed Bayonle Arashi led his football academy (Midas Football Academy) to Germany and Denmark for Lions Gold Tournament and Football Festival and won both competitions in the under 17 category as the first Nigerian and African to do so. He is the founder and director of Midas Football Academy in Nigeria and Europe and he is working towards his FIFA player’s license and has embarked on major projects on the development of grassroot football in Nigeria that will produce future soccer stars and also help the talented ones for professional career in the local league and abroad. He is widely travelled and a consultant to big time broadcasting firm on live football events around the world and help his country Nigeria on the MDG’S and FIFA goal projects.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Midassoccer (talk • contribs) 15:49, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is not an appropriate place to post a draft article.

A Wizard is available to walk you through these steps. See the Article Wizard.

Thank you.

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines with which all articles should comply. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.
Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.
If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article. You might also look at Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is also available to walk you through creating an article. – ukexpat (talk) 16:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How do I change the capitalization of the name of the page?[edit]

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 –  – ukexpat (talk) 16:12, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I meant to create a page called ZebraTickets, but it says "Zebratickets". How do I change the "t" to capital "T"? I can't seem to find a way or a way to delete and recreate the page...

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zebratickets (talk • contribs) 15:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Moving pages can only be done by users with autoconfirmed accounts. An account is automatically autoconfirmed when it is at least four full days old and has made at least ten edits.
However, what you have created a is user page, not an article. If you want to create an article or a userspace draft, please use the Article Wizard. If you create an article with the content that is currently at User:Zebratickets, it will be deleted as non-notable website. Please read Wikipedia:Notability (web) for the notability guidelines on websites on Wikipedia. --Mysdaao talk 16:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Spammy userpage speedily deleted, username blocked as a spam name. – ukexpat (talk) 16:12, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How do I add a picture/diagram to an article?[edit]

Hi everyone, I am wondering how I add a picture/diagram to an article. They are on my computer and I drew them myself. They are simple but really help communicate the concept of draft and undercuts in making a mould from sand to cast molten metal in. I saw several questions like this but didn't understand the answers. thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by AlejoM (talk • contribs) 15:59, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • If you want to add an existing image to an article, add [[Image:File name.jpg|thumb|Caption text.]] to the area of the article where you want the image to appear – replacing File name.jpg with the actual file name of the image, and Caption text with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information.
  • If you want to upload an image from your computer for use in an article, you must find out what the proper license of the image is. If you know the image is licensed under a free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons instead of here, so that all projects have access to the image (sign up). If you are unsure what license the image takes, see the file upload wizard for more information. Please also read Wikipedia's image use policy. I hope this helps. – ukexpat (talk) 16:05, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Forest Hill, Toronto[edit]

I tried editing this article (Forest Hill, Toronto) that claims its most western boundary is Fairlegh Crescent when in fact in my deed it states that the street I live on is it's most western boundary, namely being Marlee Avenue. How do I go about ensuring that this article is more accurate and remains edited ( change from Fairleigh Crescent to Marlee Avenue ).

Please e-mail me at <redacted> I don't know how to approach this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.107.44.75 (talk) 16:12, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not include contact details in your questions. We are unable to provide answers by any off-wiki medium and this page is highly visible across the internet. The details have been removed, but if you want them to be permanently removed from the page history, please email this address. To answer you question, please begin a discussion on the article's talk page. – ukexpat (talk) 16:14, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What will make your change stay is if you find reliable sources for the information you are putting in. I see that User:Blackjays1 removed your edit, but did not leave a very informative edit comment. You should not have made your change again: that can lead to edit warring: it would be better to post a question about your information either on the article's talk page or on Blackjays' talk page.
A reliable source needs to be one that in principle anybody can go and check. I don't know whether deeds would be acceptable for this purpose: the page I linked to earlier may say. If you cannot find a source that meets WP's criteria, then I'm afraid your information cannot be included: Wikipedia works on verifiability, not truth. --ColinFine (talk) 17:33, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Also note that political boundaries may change, and some municipal boundaries may not be well-defined. Neighborhoods within a city may not even be distinct legal units, and thus there is no reason for any authority to determine their boundaries exactly. For example, the city where I live has ill-defined neighborhood boundaries, and real estate agents like to stretch the boundaries of the prestigious neighborhoods to include houses just outside, particularly where "good" neighborhoods border "bad" neighborhoods. The information in your deed may be out of date, or may have been incorrect when written. At best your deed might support the claim that your house was in a particular neighborhood when the deed was written. To establish the current boundary, you need a current reliable source. National and provincial boundaries tend to be more stable and reliable (except in parts of the world where such boundaries are in dispute) because these larger units of government are more consistently able to afford competent surveyors and geographers to settle such questions, and because these boundaries matter. Local governments or neighborhood councils may not always follow the best practice when determining their exact boundaries. You might want to join WP:WikiProject Maps and WP:WikiProject Toronto where Wikipedia users get to grips with questions like this. --Teratornis (talk) 18:57, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How do I post a my biography on your website?[edit]

Can you show me how to add the biography on the website —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sueanncutshaw (talk • contribs) 16:47, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Short answer: you don't because you have a conflict of interest. If you are notable someone else will write an article about you sooner or later - there is no deadline on Wikipedia. If you do not meet our notability guidelines there are other outlets such as Wikibios. Hope this helps. – ukexpat (talk) 17:08, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Links for a specific website[edit]

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 –  – ukexpat (talk) 22:01, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm seen some method of listing all links to a specific site. I can't recall how it's done. How can I find all links to a site, such as billboard.com for example Regards, SunCreator (talk) 18:50, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Special:LinkSearch allows you to search for external links in Wikipedia pages. --Mysdaao talk 19:04, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent! Thank you. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 21:33, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome! --Mysdaao talk 00:47, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New edit counter[edit]

I do not understand how to opt in to the new edit counter I created User:Immunize/EditCounterOptIn.js to attempt to opt into the new edit counter. Please help. Immunize (talk) 20:00, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You have opted in correctly. Now that the page is created (it doesn't matter what's on the page, as long as it exists) the edit counter displays full information for you. Have a look at http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?lang=en&wiki=wikipedia&name=Immunize --Mysdaao talk 20:13, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It stated that from opting in there was a risk of your account being compromised. Is that a risk in this case? Immunize (talk) 20:16, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Where is that stated? --Mysdaao talk 00:49, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's a general warning from MediaWiki:Jswarning when you view or edit a .js user subpage, for example User:Immunize/EditCounterOptIn.js or User:Mysdaao/monobook.js. In this case there is no risk by creating User:Immunize/EditCounterOptIn.js without adding any JavaScript code to it. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:48, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple Images[edit]

I'm having trouble creating a multiple image in an infobox. Is this even possible? MR.PreZ 22:06, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Only if the infobox template supports it. The meta-template {{Infobox}} supports two images; templates based on {{Infobox}} must pass the |image2= parameter. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 23:48, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Montages like File:442px - London Lead Image.jpg in London can be made outside Wikipedia with some image software and uploaded as one image file. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:37, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Request to fix fleshlight links[edit]

Can you fix these references? - They go to a site selling fleshlights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Canada reference number 3 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas reference number 101


Keep your fork, there's pie was nice enough to fix one such problem, but I don't want to pester him or her with more of them.

Thanks!

Could you be more specific?
Sure - clicking on reference number 3 at the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Canada - specifically here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Canada#cite_note-cultural_influences-2 takes you to a page with text: "People who visit this site are also looking for: is fleshlight realistic, fleshlight giftcards, original lady fleshlight male masturbation, muscle fleshlight jack off, flesh light free videos, fleshlight clips masturbate, how to make your own homemade fleshlight, fleshlight sitelpk, how does fleshlight feel, fleshlight sales, my fleshlight movie, fleshjack, fleshlight ribbed review, fleshlight cheep, wiki fleshlight, gay flesh lights, cumming in fleshlight, fleshlight super ribbed sleeve, fleshlight changes, fleshlight can."

The reference for Indigenous peoples of the Americas is similar.

Thanks, Uncle uncle uncle 22:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can see, the links in the articles appear good (to www.foreign-policy-dialogue.ca) but that site (which is nothing to do with Wikipedia) has been hacked. I'm not sure of the best way to deal with this: WP:LINKROT doesn't deal with the case in particular, but does suggest trying the Wayback machine; but I have been unable to find this resource there. --ColinFine (talk) 00:57, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sure would be nice to have a bot that periodically sweeps through Wikipedia and automatically adds a copy of everything we cite to the Internet Archive, and adds the archiveurl= parameter to the citation templates. --Teratornis (talk) 01:56, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Or to WebCitation.org or both. Bot requests anyone? – ukexpat (talk) 02:04, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't User:DeadLinkBOT already do all that? ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ ―Œ ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣ 10:09, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The vast majority of citations on Wikipedia do not contain archiveurl links, so there is no bot already doing what I suggested. Perhaps the bot you mention tries to repair links that have already rotted, by which time it might be impossible to retrieve the original source and add it to an archiving site. If the source had not already been archived by some other means, it is too late to resurrect the content. I'm talking about automatically archiving all our citations right now, before they die. It is possible for a user to manually archive a citation at the time of making it; see Wikipedia:Using the Wayback Machine, and thus render that particular citation rot-resistant. But it is already too much work to edit citation templates. We need to automate this tedium to the extent possible, especially since reliable sources are central to everything we do on Wikipedia. A rotted source would seem to have become less "reliable". --Teratornis (talk) 17:30, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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