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February 4

Naming/page history issue

Resolved

 – Copy/paste move mess has been fixed. – ukexpat (talk) 15:44, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

At IPAB the talk page is mis-named and the page history for IPAB has been lost in a move, it appears. Can someone point me to instructions on how to fix it? Or fix it themselves? Thanks. Jesanj (talk) 02:35, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

IPAB is a redirect to Independent Payment Advisory Board; the history is there. I created a parallel redirect for Talk:IPAB. —teb728 t c 08:36, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

It's worse than I thought: On 8 January someone apparently did a copy move of Independent Payment Advisory Board to Independent Medicare Advisory Board, effectively splitting the history. Apparently the correct title is Independent Payment Advisory Board; at least that is where the recent history is. So it needs admin attention to merge the history. —teb728 t c 09:03, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

{{adminhelp}}

I now see what happened: The move was a real move, but another editor copied the article back over the redirect and replaced the moved article with a redirect. So it needs admin attention to merge the history from Independent Medicare Advisory Board at Independent Payment Advisory Board. (I just moved the talk page back, solving that part of the problem.) —teb728 t c 09:35, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. I am dealing with it. It may take a little while. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:57, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

 Done JamesBWatson (talk) 10:06, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

How to mark a BLP article.

I'm doing new page patrol and am tagging a BLP article (Rudy Hubbard). I noticed that wikipedia isn't recognising it as a BLP article, i.e. when you edit it you don't get the BLP warning above the edit box, and I'm guessing IP editors aren't blocked from editing it. How is this enabled? I've added a BLP template to the talk page and also added it to category:Living People, but neither of those work, in fact the category looks like it shouldn't be used that way so I'm guessing I'm doing this the wrong way round. Thinking about it, it doesn't really make sense for this to be done by wiki markup within the article as it would be too easy to circumvent, so is there some admin function I need to request or a board I need to post on? Thanks --ThePaintedOne (talk) 11:24, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

It's triggered by Category:Living people, which I have fixed in the Rudy Hubbard article. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:35, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Ah, just a typo on my part! Thanks for the assist.--ThePaintedOne (talk) 11:46, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Adolf Hitler

Using AOL - every time I try to open the page on Adolf Hitler, AOL closes down. Using Windows Explorer - I can open the page, but it does have a hiccup on opening.

melvyn —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.107.99 (talk) 11:50, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Have you tried to use another web browser? mabdul 11:59, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

I suspect it may be connected with the fact that the length of the article is 236KB (of Wikicode). —teb728 t c 12:03, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

I doubt that since there is no note at Wikipedia:Browser_notes#Internet Explorer or only in the case of a really old IE with an really old Win-version (9X?)/PC with very less RAM. mabdul 15:12, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Action Research in Education

what is Action Research in Education? How can we do or conduct in Elementary education and secondary education? What are its pros and cons and how can we solvre or implement properly in the schools? Please answer with great deal.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.204.57.25 (talk) 14:07, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.5 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. - Please note also that Wikipedia won't do your homework for you, but might (of course) be a useful tool for you to use in your research. David Biddulph (talk) 14:13, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

City of Leeds School entry says it reads like an advert.

Resolved

 – Tag removed and replaced by relevant tag~!

The entry is very short and factual, and it has been reduced to the bare bones, I think the 'advertisement' tag should be removed.82.3.199.155 (talk) 14:34, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

•  Done I've re-tagged the article with new relevant tags. Best. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 14:44, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

your article about cremation and Islam

I realize that this this is a very LEFTIST blog, but why do you put Islam first in your article? Islam has only been in existance since the 7th century, yet you list it first, above Judaism and Christianity?

Why is that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.145.3.21 (talk) 16:33, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

• 1. Wikipedia is not a blog but an encyclopedia.
  2. It has no political affiliation (this is not to say that none of the millions who have edited it have such affiliations, but these are not reflected in any editorial policy).
  3. Islam is not inherently favoured by or affiliated with political leftism.
  4. The ordering reflects the way the article has been created incrementally over time by numerous editors. There is no editorial agenda in the ordering of the subsections in Cremation#Religious views on cremation. If you would like to propose another order, feel free to do so on the article talk page. Or you can even boldly reorganize it yourself, explaining your rationale in the edit summary (and, if you choose a chronological order, keeping in mind that several of the Asian traditions described in the article are older than the Christian and Jewish ones you mentioned). Gonzonoir (talk) 16:46, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Well, this is an encyclopedia, not a blog. Are you referring to Cremation#Religious_views_on_cremation? I haven't examined it in-depth, but my guess is that Islam is listed first simply because it has the shortest explanation. Placing it at the bottom or in middle may cause it to get lost in the clutter. TNXMan 16:49, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

What difference does the order make? And why would the age of a religion matter? Age doesn't make a religion any more likely to be true, or false, or better, or worse. Appeal to tradition ("if it's old, it must be true") and Appeal to novelty ("if it's new, it must be true") are both fallacies, which is to say that the age of an idea has nothing to do with whether it is true. --Teratornis (talk) 03:33, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Citing

How do you reference a webpage? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmoxie (talk • contribs) 16:48, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

The best way to do this is to use the {{cite web}} template. Just fill out the fields you know and place it between a <ref> and a </ref> in the article. TNXMan 16:50, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

For the details, see WP:CITE, WP:FOOT, and {{Cite web}}. --Teratornis (talk) 03:13, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

up and coming new band

hi. I have read through the posts and links and while there is ALOT of information, I am still unsure about the answer to my question. I work with an up and coming new band. We would like to be included in Wikipedia. Is this what is considered an "article" and do we write it ourselves? thank you, Linaz Martine 17:45, 4 February 2011 (UTC)~

<redacted> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.221.206.66 (talk) 17:45, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Start by reading WP:BAND and WP:UPANDCOMING. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:48, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I "think" this means that we create the article ourselves. I will look through the links you gave me. Next week. After the Packers win the Superbowl. L18:02, 4 February 2011 (UTC)~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.221.206.66 (talk)

Better to say, I think, that it means nobody should write it until the criteria at WP:BAND are met, or else it'll probably be deleted. And that once those criteria are met, it would be much better if somebody unconnected with the band wrote the article, because it's difficult for somebody who is connected to write neutrally about the subject. --AndrewHowse (talk) 18:18, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Since you work with the band and talk of them as "we," you should also read WP:COI. —teb728 t c 22:26, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Getting ride of extra info for sports team info box

I'm trying to make an info box for my softball team. I'm using the MLB info box and only want a few things to show on the page for the team. However, info that I removed keeps showing up. It appears as shown even after removing info that I do not need:

Collapse info box
padding
Oakland Horseside 2024 Oakland Horseside season Established in 1971 Retired numbers Wally Thompson - 11 Colors Navy Blue, Yellow, White       Name Oakland Horseside (1971–present) Other nicknames “The Hide” Front office Principal owner(s) Keith Salminen Manager Keith Salminen

The Cap logo & Team Logo I plan on adding in, but everything else that doesn't have info in it I want to remove. What do I need to do or what other templete do I need to use? Thank you.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rfa149 (talk • contribs)

Try using {{Infobox baseball team}} instead. --Mysdaao ^talk 21:08, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Your sports team? Have you read and familiarised yourself with our policy on conflicts of interest? Rehevkor ✉ 21:10, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

More urgently, read WP:ORG and demonstrate in the article that Oakland Horsehide Softball Club has received significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Otherwise the article will be deleted soon, and anything else you do will be lost. —teb728 t c 23:41, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Please edit the page.

I dont find a source and cant understand why and how can u uplaod a pic of Hazrat Imaam Hasan on the below mentioned page. That time and even today, no source exists which can actually state that this is the pic of Hazrat Imaam Hasan. So with the kind request please remove the PIC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam_Hasan

As a content issue, the best place to discuss it is on the talk page of the article.--SPhilbrickT 22:35, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Is already discussed at Talk:Hasan_ibn_Ali#His Picture. mabdul 23:23, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

coded encrypted words

OK I have looked everywhere for this answer but to no avail. Here is the question. Why are some words on the wikipedia "coded" or encryped? Most of the words that are coded seem to be like a title to a movie or title to a song. The article is intact, but several key words are coded or encrypted. For instance, if I look up the actor Michael Cain.. I will see that he was in the movie SLUTH. BUT.... wikipedia displays the word "Sluth" as "jckbq" (in italics). Now... I can mouse over that garbage and hold, and a bubble will pop up stating that the translation is SLUTH.. but why, oh why does it do this??? Sorry to bug you guys, but it drives me nuts.. my email is.... JUST KIDDING. I read your warning! lol (although I am not entirely sure that if you answer this, where I can find it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.79.69.16 (talk) 23:12, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

You are not using wikipedia directly by typing in the address bar http://en.wikipedia.org/ ; you used a translator (maybe by google) that tries to translate some words in other languages, and the original text are in the bubbles. maybe you use a wikipedia version in another language. mabdul 23:27, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

I guess you mean Sleuth (1972 film). "jckbq" has no vowels and doesn't sound like any language to me. Maybe your browser has problems displaying italics. Movie and album titles (though not songs) are usually in italics in Wikipedia in accordance with WP:ITALICS. Can you read these two sentences: 1) Here is "Sleuth" not in italics. 2) Here is the same word "Sleuth" in italics. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:13, 5 February 2011 (UTC)