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July 8

Injure in spinal card/lower butt

Hi,

I am from Lahore <Pakistan>i need some assistance for the recovery of some pain in my back/lower butt its due to a road clash ,i have also patient of joint pains too ,so please help me can i seek some help and is it possible can i gone through trophy and cure it,back to my normal life if it is please write on(Redacted)along with its expenses and time(Period) for rehabilitation.

Looking for your reply

With Regards,

Akram — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.2.181.100 (talk) 04:42, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

• I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. - 194.60.106.38 (talk) 07:07, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

That said, we cannot offer medical advice. - 194.60.106.38 (talk) 07:08, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

bus nos

I intend to go to Botanical gardens from TAMPINES iNT.May I ask to provide me the buses I have to board? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.11.11 (talk) 05:20, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

• This page is aimed at people who need help with their work on Wikipedia. If you want factual information and can't find it yourself, please turn to the reference desk - 194.60.106.38 (talk) 07:09, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
• I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. —teb728 t c 07:44, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

a template won't allow an image to site beside it

See my draft page: User:Brianann MacAmhlaidh/draft. See how the ancestry-template won't allow the sword-image to nest beside it like normal? Can someone fix this so there isn't that big space of nothingness?--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 09:04, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I've experimented and have perhaps improved the layout, but I doubt if this is the proper solution. If you don't get a better answer here, I suggest you ask again at Village pump (technical). -- John of Reading (talk) 10:33, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

What is the meaning of these colors

Why is the tag here gray [1]

And the tag here golden? [2]?Curb Chain (talk) 09:14, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Apparently the {{rfctag}} template re-colours itself to match other message boxes that are used in the same "namespace". It uses the {{mbox}} template to do this; you can read about it at Template:Mbox/doc. As to what the colours mean, I don't know. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:40, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Article display problem

I have made some changes at the Romania article adding some important istorical events and dates to the formation section. But now the display of the page is affected and I don't know why.Please help me in restoring the correct display. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EddyVadim (talk • contribs) 09:54, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I've fixed the formatting problem - you had missed out one pair of square brackets. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:03, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

applications for nokiac7-00 symbian^3 mobiles

where i can download the video player for Symbian^3 mobiles. i am trying it but it is coming certificate error. if the video player will work in this type of mobiles.kindly tell me some suggestions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.154.251 (talk) 09:59, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Island Monkey ^{talk the talk} 10:01, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

References aren't showing up

Hi,

I've edited the Cable & Wireless Communications page, but none of the references are listing at the end of the article. I'm directed to this page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Cite_errors/Cite_error_references_no_key - but still don't really understand what the issue is.

SteveSmith1977 (talk) 10:54, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I've fixed a couple of syntax errors. The proper syntax is described at Help:Footnotes. Welcome to Wikipedia, by the way; I've left you some introductory links on your talk page. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I made changes to an article which are not registering except when I log in myself

I have made some further small factual changes to the article on Adolfo Müller-Ury recently, but for some reason these only show as live when I log in, they are not showing when you click on the article. They have always shown up before. Why is this happening please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.31.246.123 (talk) 11:05, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't know. I logged out just now, and saw the latest version of the page. I have purged the page, which should refresh all the copies of the article held at Wikipedia servers. You could try bypassing your browser cache to see if that gives you today's version of the article. If that doesn't fix it for you, please post again here. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:21, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

fools gold jewelry

I have tried to find out more information about jewelry made from fools gold and seem to get the same answers but it is not what I want..I have a piece a 'gold' locket beautifully made with 3-4 small pearls and the the same turquoise stones layed on the front to look like leaves..it is a lovely piece, I was told the man who made this jewelry was arrested for treason can you help me find more info.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.216.114.144 (talk) 11:15, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

You might find what you are looking for in the article Pyrite. If you cannot find the answer there, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 11:22, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Reference Help

Hello, I got pulled into helping with an article ( kevin cook ),I have found plenty of quality references and are verifiable....but, am having trouble with listing them in the edit. Am also confused as to why there are numbers listed above the references on the page.Thank you for your help!Franlan (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:29, 8 July 2011 (UTC).

Please sign your post by typing four tildes (~~~~) or clicking the signature button above the edit box which looks like this: . Do NOT sign in articles.

Kevin Cook. See Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners. The numbers are because someone stuffed citations into the References section and not in-text— these need to be moved if you can figure out where they belong. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 11:35, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Links deleted

I've tried to link a few wikipedia pages to the site containing the digital sound archive of the Centre for the Cataloguing and Documentation of the Sicilian Intangible Cultural Heritage, a project of the Sicilian Region at www.arcadeisuoni.org. All the pages linked include contents which are perfectly consistent with the public interest Arca dei Suoni is aimed at (namely Sicily, Sicilian language, Soundscapes). The reason for such deletions is not therefore quite clear to me, as the site has no personal or commercial intent but a mere public cultural end. Any clarification will be welcomed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.26.146.175 (talk) 11:39, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

On an article which is as well established and trafficked as Sicily, there will be a temptation for many to add links to various places. These links are likely to be summarily removed unless a good case for their inclusion is given. You added them, without even an edit summary, so they were quickly removed. I suggest you post on the article talk pages to explain what the link is, and why it is appropriate for that specific article. That would increase the chances the link would remain, assuming that contributors agree with the rationale.--SPhilbrickT 11:48, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm not a wikipedia expert but will try and comply with your suggestions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.26.146.175 (talk) 11:53, 8 July 2011 (UTC) By the way, this is what I tried to put in. Link + On-line digital sound archive Arca dei Suoni, CRICD - Dipartimento regionale dei Beni Culturali e dell'Identità Siciliana. Where are the talk pages supposed to be posted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.26.146.175 (talk) 12:02, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

You can reach the talk page of any article by clicking on the word "Discussion" at the top of the page while viewing the article in question. Basically just to the right of the Wikipedia logo. Also, about the links, generally we try to keep links to a minimum. So anything that doesn't have a specific reason to be there gets removed. Not everything that it related to Sicily will be linked on the article. We're not a linkfarm or catch-all for anything related to Sicily or any other subject, no matter how noble the cause. Perhaps our WP:EL external links guidelines would be of help to you. Dismas|^(talk) 12:06, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Please see also WP:LINKSPAM and WP:NONENGEL. The links you add appear to have the intention of promoting the site--especially in light of the fact that you add them to multiple articles. They don't need a personal or commercial intent to be inappropriate. Also the fact that the target page is non-english means the page would need a much higher value to be included. —teb728 t c 12:14, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you again. This is what the site I was trying to link is about (from its homepage). As a matter of fact, it belongs to the Sicilian administration: “Arca dei Suoni” is a project aimed at the collection, sharing and preservation of sound documents related to the life and history of the local communities of Sicily. The core idea is to actively involve high schools and cultural associations in a network, in order to get them to record, upload and download audio(visual) files - after proper theoretical and practical training - through a dedicated platform so as to foster awareness of the citizens’ direct responsibility in the monitoring and protection of the Sicilian cultural heritage. I hope wikipedia is not going to consider me a spammer. I'm only inexperienced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.26.146.175 (talk) 12:28, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Splitting and renaming an article

Hello ! I would like to improve the article "Coherent states", because it is grossly incomplete concerning the developments in mathematical physics. The solution I propose is the following: . rename the present article as "Coherent states (Quantum Physics)", after some minor editing . create a new one, called "Coherent states (Mathematical Physics)" How should I proceed? CSmaker (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:56, 8 July 2011 (UTC).

Where you need to start is on the article talk page, Talk:Coherent state. You should start a new section and explain what you want to do and why you want to do it. I think it would be good to notify the pertinent project on their talk page, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Physics, that you have initiated the discussion. The editors that watch the article and the editors that frequent the project will be able to give better input on the direction for the article. GB fan (talk) 15:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

how do I close an unsigned entry?

I would like to make a comment on a discussion page below a comment which was not signed. When I look at the preview page I see that it looks as if the anonymous comment is part of mine. Is there a standard sign I can put at the end of the previous comment that will 'force close' it or something like that? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 15:58, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

One way to do this is to add the {{unsigned}} or {{unsigned2}} template at the end of the unsigned post. You will need to look in the page history to find the correct date and user name. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:07, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

You can add {{unsigned}} at the end of the post. The syntax for the template is {{ subst:unsigned | user name or IP | time, day month year (UTC) }}. The username and the time/date can be found on the history page. If you need any assistance let me know. GB fan (talk) 16:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

thank you. worked like a charm! --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 16:18, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

WLTN-FM and WLTN-AM Traded In IRN USA Radio Network For CBS Radio Network News

I was driving through the New Hampshire North Country the other day and I had my radio locked to WLTN-FM and noticed that at the top of every hour, they were now airing CBS Radio Network News (just as they do over on their co-owned station, WXXS-FM). They even featured a promotional advertisement of WLTN Radio's newly-found affiliation with the CBS Radio Network. Although I don't have any non-refutable evidence that this switch has occurred, I can certainly tell you from first-hand experience that this change HAS taken place and is applicable to WLTN Radio as a whole (meaning that both WLTN-FM and WLTN-AM are affected by this latest change). I thank you for your time and would appreciate your attention to this latest update here. 98.229.132.126 (talk) 17:21, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

If you have information which you want to contribute to a particular article, but no sources for the information, your best course is to bring the matter up on the article's talk page: it may be that somebody else there can find a reference for the information. --ColinFine (talk) 22:56, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much for that piece of advice...except that the only thing is that...I'm three steps ahead of you, ColinFine (talk), for I have already copied and pasted this same exact message onto both the WLTN-FM talk page and WLTN-AM talk page. Thank you very much for your advice though...but I suppose I got the jump on you with this one. 98.229.132.126 (talk) 00:05, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Cheney Mason

I found Cheney Mason's birthplace (Jacksonville, Florida) and birth date (December 12, 1943) at: http://www.martindale.com/J-Cheney-Mason/820078-lawyer.htm I do not know the reliability of the site, but just to let you know.

Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.176.160.21 (talk) 18:26, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Copied comment to the article's talk page - frankie (talk) 18:58, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

help uploading larger size images, but that have changed file extension

Hi. I requested and got a donation of 3 larger size images. However, the extension is .tif (an allowed kind for us), but our original was .jpg. Trying to upload "new copy" does not work as the extensions are different and it won't let me change destination name. Should I upload as all new versions? run some conversion of my own through Paint (don't want to lose content though)? What?

Concerns these three images: [3]

TCO (reviews needed) 18:47, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

page for historic company with a lot of references on wiki

Our company is listed as the architect for several buildings listed on wikipedia. When you click the company name though, there is no page for the company. Other architects have created pages for themselves and we would like to do the same (eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skidmore,_Owings_and_Merrill). Our company turns 100 years old this year and we have notable projects in our history. Is it acceptable to create a page for our company? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ikminc (talk • contribs) 18:54, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

You could find some nice references for other editors to use and they could make the article. It's inadvisable for you to write it yourself as there is a conflict of interest, I'm afraid. Don't worry though, the article should be to your liking if written in accordance with Wiki's rules. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 18:56, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you!--Ikminc (talk) 19:07, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

You could put in a request at Wikipedia:Requested articles. Oh, and just a slight nit... The other companies that you see on Wikipedia didn't (or shouldn't have) written their own articles. Articles are generally written because someone sees a hole and fills it. Dismas|^(talk) 19:10, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I've worked in this industry and it is a huge name. Well notable. And really in an industry where most firms are more local (thus amplifying their notability). Say this with no COI or particular love for them. But it's really a big name. Waxing meta I do wonder whether we start to become like the king who decided to have a large scale map made...at the size of his kingom (1:1!) as we duplicate Google and what is on the web besides. That said, for normal Wiki standards, it's pretty notable. Best thing to help getting an article done would be some references that are not just the website or your own press copy. A biography of a founder or a firm history if one has been written. Also, perhaps a profile by some independent journalist of the firm and perhaps a general article on large AE firms that puts SOM in perspective of the industry.TCO (reviews needed) 19:24, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

But it seems like you DO have an article for the company and have for years?TCO (reviews needed) 19:37, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I think the last two respondents are mis-reading the question. They are only using SOM as an example of an architecture firm that has an article. They don't say that they work for that firm. Dismas|^(talk) 19:46, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

The original poster is a role account for IKM Incorporated (thus the name Ikminc), not for SOM. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:34, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Photo

I am the son of Arden Mounts and would like to share a photo of him and his race car with everyone on your site — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.14.160.22 (talk) 19:41, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Consider uploading it to Wikimedia commons. Go to http://commons.wikimedia.org, register an account (it is free and confidential) and select "Upload file". Please be sure, when you upload the file, that you fill out all relevent information (source of photo, etc.) and be sure to select a lisence when uploading which is compatible for Wikimedia sites (GFDL and CC-BY-SA). --Jayron32 19:46, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Out of date tag

Hi, is there an out of date tag somewhere? I do not want to tag Talk:Supercomputer#Yesterday... for a rewrite, but now that no one responded, should say it is out of date. History2007 (talk) 20:01, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Just fix it or leave it. Or put a comment on the talk page. We know the articles are not perfect, so emblazoning them with tags is actually counterproductive. Plus, you might think you are actually contributing when you are not.TCO (reviews needed) 20:04, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

No, sorry that is no help in my view. I prefer not to accept incorrect/outdaed info. So is there a out of date tag? History2007 (talk) 20:08, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

No worries I found it anyway. In any case TCO, in fairness the reader needs to be told that they are reading yesterday's newspaper. It will take time to fix/rewrite this, until then let teh reader know. History2007 (talk) 20:15, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Peace. You have a stellar user page. Reading it now. Kudos on your content work. Feel bad for trolling you.TCO (reviews needed) 20:18, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

No worries. I will eventually fix the supercomputer page too. But to do it right, one needs to have the other pieces together, e.g. even the basic pages on scalar processor and vector processor that it builds on have no ref tags and need clean up, so those need to get fixed first, then I will eventually get to this page too. History2007 (talk) 20:24, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Found the tag that can serve:

TCO (reviews needed) 21:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

That's a tad bitey and pointy... – ukexpat (talk) 12:34, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

• The appropriate tag for articles with major out-of-date content is either {{out of date}} or {{update}}. Zzyzx11 (talk) 01:24, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Requesting Input on Policy Proposal

I'm trying to get more input on a policy idea I started discussing here. But I wasn't sure what, if any avenues were available for me to do so. I thought I might be able to use RfC, but I wasn't sufficiently sure that I could use that for something that is not a dispute or looking for a binding vote. Thanks for any help. ‡ MAHEWA ‡ • talk 20:56, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

The dedicated forum for discussing policy is at the policy section of the village pump. The idea lab is much lower traffic. However, CSD policy is usually discussed at its talk page which is highly active. You could drop a note at the idea lab in place of the current content (leaving the section header) like Moved to Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#CSD Expiration Date and then create a section at WT:CSD titled ==CSD Expiration Date== What is not a good idea is starting the same discussion while the original one persists.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:32, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Reference Desk Trolling

Can anyone suggest a warning template for a new IP user whose only edits have been six or seven troll-like questions and replies on reference desks? I'm like to report the user to WP:AIV, but if I don't jump through the warning template hoops then it'll get ignored per "insufficient warnings". — Fly by Night (talk) 22:45, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace/Multi-level templates. A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 03:56, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I've been there already. That's why I came here. — Fly by Night (talk) 05:46, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I think you'll have to make something up yourself. Perhaps adapt {{Uw-disruptive1}}? -- John of Reading (talk) 06:41, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Trolls love getting warning templates.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:44, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I know, I quoted that policy when I removed the user's reference desk post. The only problem is, like I said at the top, if you don't warn them, then admins won't block them. So they're free to go around causing mischief. It's a tricky one though. Ignore it and hope they get bored, but they might not. Alternatively, take direct action, but risk whetting their appetite. — Fly by Night (talk) 18:01, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I thought about that one John, but it seemed more vandalism orientated, and the mention of a sandbox seemed to not fit. I guess there just isn't one that fits. Thanks for the suggestion anyway. — Fly by Night (talk) 18:01, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Extension

Dear Wikipedia administration (or anyone who knows),

I'm wondering what Mediawiki extension the handy edit utility is. For example, one is able to select special characters (Latin, IPA, Symbols), and it works like a word processor almost. Can anyone help? Thanks, 173.78.122.178 (talk) 23:31, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

If you don't get an answer in a few minutes here, I suggest asking at WP:VPT, which is where the techies hang.--SPhilbrickT 00:44, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Edittools is the message which appears below the edit window. If a browser has JavaScript enabled, then MediaWiki:Edittools.js inserts a compact version in its place. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 01:25, 9 July 2011 (UTC)