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May 15

Democracy In Wikipedia

I am opposed to Jimmy Wales being in charge of Wikipedia. I wish to contest him in a Wikipedia election for control of Wikipedia. How do I go about this democratic virtue? --KontestLead (talk) 00:43, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Answer me NOW --KontestLead (talk) 01:01, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

First of all please don't demand things here. Secondly Wikipedia is not a democracy. Please read the page linked above as well as the Wikipedia:Five pillars. Feinoha ^{Talk, My master} 01:06, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, thanks, KontestLead, that's pretty funny. 216.93.212.245 (talk) 03:58, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Maybe we can work up procedures for a ritual challenge. I always thought they were overly hasty in abolishing trial by battle, at least for politicians.--Wehwalt (talk) 04:42, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

citing and page problems

Hi yes. I was trying to update the Lakemont Park page with correct info. I am an employee there and it keeps reseting back to the page before i edited although I did list the changed posted. and it said something about it wasnt cited when i when back and redid it liek 3 times and its still there. Is it becasue I didnt have an account and now I do or becasue I didnt cite it which idk how to do but I did post in the last comment that it could be verified through our main website. Umm please let me know whats going on thanks so muchLakemontPark1894 (talk) 01:00, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi LakemontPark1894. First, perhaps you should read up on how one should deal with conflicts of interest on Wikipedia - you appear to have one with the article in question. As for reliable sources/citing, you can read the Wikipedia article on just that topic for more information. You may also wish to read about Wikipedia's Five Pillars to learn a little bit more about how to interact in the community to the community's best advantage. Among other things, Wikipedia is not the place to advertise or promote one's business, personal self, organization, employer or anything/anyone else where a conflict of interests may be involved. It is an encyclopedia. Also, You do not wish to try to make the same edit 3 times. Next time, go to the article's talk page and start a section asking why someone keep reverting it - and before you do that, you may wish to check the edit summary to see if they left a clue as to why there. Start the discussion on the talk page, be patient and wait for a response, and other contributors' inputs, and reach a consensus.

Also, you may wish to be aware that some editors, as your username promotes an organization, may find problems with said username. You can request a username change to avoid such problems - regardless of that though, please always remember to let other editors know about such potentials for conflicts of interests before editing a page.

As a for instance, on a good approach to this, I am one of the Producers (and Gaffer) for Star Trek New Voyages. You will note, I clearly mention this on my user page, and that, instead of editing the article, if I find something amiss, I point it out on the article's talk page, and let other uninvolved editors determine if any of what I have indicated is inclusion worthy.

Hope this helps, ROBERTMFROMLI | ^TK/_CN 01:09, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Heya LakemonPark1894. I can see why your edits are being reverted. I know that this is frustrating, but here's some tips for you to stop this from happening in the future...

• First, your additions are problematic in that they appear to be advertising for the park. You write in the "first person" (We do this, etc.) and include information on payment and prices for rides. While this is appropriate for your park's commercial webpage, it isn't appropriate for an encyclopedia article about the park. People can get that information from your park's website, but Wikipedia articles should not contain it.
• Secondly, as an employee of the park, you have a conflict of interest. Please read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information about this. What this means, in a nutshell, is that your interest as an employee (which is to promote your park) is in conflict with Wikipedia's interest, which is to be an encyclopedia. It's OK to have such a conflict, but what you should do is offer information at the article's discussion page, located at Talk:Lakemont Park, and let other editors help to incorporate it into the article.
• Thirdly, new information needs to be cited to a reliable source. The best way for you to help us help you is go to the article talk page, and leave us links (URLs work great) to reliable sources, so we can help you fix the article and update the correct information.

If you have any questions at all, feel free to ask, either here or at my user talk page, User talk:Jayron32. --Jayron32 01:17, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Does Facebook qualify as a reliable source for a BLP article?

The Diego Gomes article currently has no sources. I put an {{unreferencedblp}} tag at the top of the page after I could not locate any reliable sources during a brief Google search. Another editor removed the tag, claiming that he added Diego Gomes' Facebook page as a source. Is Facebook acceptable as a reference for a BLP? Thanks, –BMRR (talk) 01:11, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

It depends what kind of info you're planning to add. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources#Self-published and questionable sources as sources on themselves. Sp33dyphil ^{Ready • to • Rumble} 01:16, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm not planning to add anything. I was just trying to figure out if a link to a Facebook page is sufficient to remove the {{unreferencedblp}} tag or not. Thanks, BMRR (talk) 01:35, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

(ec) No, anyone can create a fan page and claim to be the actual person, plus even if the real person we run in to WP:SPS CTJF83 01:17, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

OK, that's kind of what I figured... any random anonymous person could set up a Facebook account and try to pass themselves off as Diego Gomes. Thanks, BMRR (talk) 01:35, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Sure, I WP:BLP PROD tagged it too. CTJF83 01:38, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

need help/ gaston doumergue

i have a book of old 78s records it dates 1934... this is what it reads...ft. left side od cover ...Veme MESSAGE adresse au pays par M. le president GASTON DOUMERGUE le 24 septembre 1934 ..on the right side is a pic. of him and down on the right side it reads Radiodiffuse et enregistre sur disques ala Presidence du conseil .......inside 6 78s can anyone help me???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.227.41.227 (talk) 05:44, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I can't tell from this what kind of help you are looking for. There is an article on Gaston Doumergue - any use? -- John of Reading (talk) 07:31, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

It might be a radio speech Doumergue gave to the country on September 24, 1934, when he was prime minister (again). "Veme" might be fifth. According to this article, Doumergue was trying to institute certain governmental reforms, and he used the radio as a way of communicating with the French people about the reforms, including one such speech on that date.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:41, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Proper way to mention cited sources in references?

Look at the article Tapiola: It has both "References" and "Further reading" sections. The "Further reading" section is a list of external works which have been used as reference material for the article, while the "References" section consists mostly of references to the exact same material as in the "Further reading" section. Should these two sections be combined by having the full titles of the reference material in the actual references? But then there is the issue that not all of the reference material is actually referenced from the text, causing mentions of such material to either be lost or isolated in the now-emptier "Further reading" section. JIP | Talk 08:23, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

• This split typically occurs when multiple pages in a single source are cited, but I don't see a reason for it hear. I would recommend filling out the entire citation template for the references section. By the way, if a text is used as a ref in this setup, it should be in a bibliography section. Further reading is relevant research material for the reader that has NOT been used in the article. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:05, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

That article is mostly using shortened footnotes. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 11:12, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Setting up a Wiki user page for a page that will be written by a group of students

Dear All,

I'm offering a workshop for a group of students on the peaceful settlement of disputes in international law. We will be producing several versions of the page in different languages (English, German, French and potentially Turkish and Bosnian). I'm moderating this type of project for the first time and would be very grateful for tips on how to do it in the best, most user-friendly way.

A question to start: how do I move the page 'Peaceful_Settlement_of_Disputes_in_International_Law' to my user page for editing in a way that reserves the entry name?

Thanks for your help!

Kate —Preceding unsigned comment added by KateWSI (talk • contribs) 09:54, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

• You don't want to move the page, you want to select the wikitext and copy it to your userpage instead. I can't remember the specific page with help for teachers and students, but I'm sure someone will chime in. Make sure each student creates their own account. If one person decides to break the rules, everyone could end up blocked if you don't. --Mgm|^(talk) 10:01, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:School and university projects. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 11:10, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Redirected from?

I created the page Paul Raymond Gregory and made it live by moving it. The page now displays this text at the top: (Redirected from User:PaulRaymondGregory/Paul Raymond Gregory). Can I get rid of this? I didn't want to redirect anything, just make the page live. Obviously I've done something slightly wrong. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PaulRaymondGregory (talk • contribs) 11:27, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't say that, and per WP:COI if you are Paul, you shouldn't create a page on yourself. CTJF83 11:47, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

It only says that if you start by clicking at User:PaulRaymondGregory/Paul Raymond Gregory which does indeed redirect to the article. There is no redirect message when you get there by clicking on Paul Raymond Gregory. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:52, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I'm not Paul by the way although I know him and said I thought he should have a page as he is mentioned elsewhere on Wikipedia but couldn't be linked to previously. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PaulRaymondGregory (talk • contribs) 11:55, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

A friend would cause a similar COI, as the page is pretty self gloating and not neutral. CTJF83 11:58, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

To answer the OP's actual question: If you add the template {{db-g7}} to the top of User:PaulRaymondGregory/Paul Raymond Gregory, an admin will come along and delete the redirect. Deor (talk) 13:10, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Photo

How do I submit a photograph of TV Star Johnny Puleo to his Wiki web site? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.239.198.226 (talk) 11:46, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Where is the photo located? CTJF83 11:47, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

creating a page

hello im trying to create a page and have had it deleted i would like to ask for some one to help me to make my page available to other users i will attach my page to this and would love any help you could offer to make it wiki friendly and am looking forward to having upload and running live thanks to any one who is able to help me with this project

VALERIOISM Valerioism began just before the turn of the twenty first century in Cornwall and concerns the movement inspired by the prominent yet elusive Artist Valerio, whose influence was to inflame the entire establishment, not only through Art but through architecture, poetry, music and philosophy. It was the initial turning point of recreational professionalism, which turned away from what had become the convention and pre conception of what Art was generally considered to be in that region and time.

After the commercialisations and corporate attempts to monopolise the high street by means of Art retail and the inevitable retaliations by the true creative core, the independent Artists and galleries were to steer once again towards the raw essence of true social/theological and environmental concerns, In an attempt to once again create enduring Art and to encourage genuine patrons to think and feel instead of succumbing to the inherent obsessive compulsive aquisition mentality that had become so common. This in turn coined the term Valerious.

VALERIOUS To describe a system of embracing ones existence and to literately live life till it kills you, in an almost ironically stoic approach, whilst still acknowledging the profound importance of influence and suggestion for the beneficial progression of humanity. During these politically charged decades some even considered it to encompass matristic tendencies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ADHDean (talk • contribs) 12:54, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

• The text you submitted violates the neutral point of view policy and it doesn't cite any sources. For an article to be accepted, you need to cite reliable sources. Please follow these links and read Your first article to get a few pointers. - Mgm|^(talk) 13:04, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

And also read WP:SOAPBOX, which applies no matter how noble the cause. --ColinFine (talk) 18:35, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

E-mailed watchlist changes

I'm receiving e-mails from MediaWiki Mail notifying me of changes to my user talk. I see no option in my preferences to disable this feature. The e-mails state that I can "also reset the notification flags for all your watched pages on your watchlist.", but I find no notification flags to reset. I'm only receiving e-mails when my user talk is edited; no other page on my watchlist prompts such a notification. It's no big deal, but I find the orange bar sufficient notification. Thanks for any help. Tiderolls 14:23, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

First page of your preferences, second to last checkbox to the bottom. Prodego ^talk 14:25, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh, yeah...there it is. Thanks, Prodego. Tiderolls 14:31, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Photo Permissions

Hi, I've added this to wikimedia commons http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Kuota_logo.svg after copying it from http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Kuota_logo.svg I don't know what to put as the permission. Anyone help? Cheers

Ben —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bensnowden (talk • contribs) 14:29, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

• The German source had a massive tag saying "Do not transfer this file to Wikimedia Commons without an individual review!" The additional German text said it might not meet Commons guidelines. You want a copyright expert to review it. I'm pretty sure someone will drop by here. If not, please find the Commons help desk to get the appropriate help. - Mgm|^(talk) 15:15, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

) Not all of us are as lucky to be able to translate the German. I realise now that it has the tag on it, however it has already been uploaded to wikimedia commons by the original uploader [1] . 178.78.75.74 (talk) 22:05, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Use google translate for such cases... mabdul 14:09, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh and this logo can be uploaded local to the English Wikipedia by an autoconfirmed user under Wikipedia:Upload. (and normally logos of brands and companies are copyrighted: so no commons) mabdul 14:15, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Church Website

Hi i have added a link (or should i say went to add a link) to the Abram Church website on the Abram, Greater Manchester page, but when i clicked save page, i got the warning against including external links for promoting? This the first time ive ever tried to update anything on here, and i wondered if someone can tell me if im allowed to do this as i dont want to break any "rules". Thanks Abramchurch (talk) 15:01, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

You appear to have a conflict of interest. Your username makes it appear you are associated with Abram Church and that is what you are linking to. While editing with a conflict of interest is not disallowed, it is strongly discouraged. On a related note, your username may actually be against our username policy, one you are trying to use it to promote your church and two it could be taken that the username is reprepresnting more than one person. You as an individual should have a username that represents you, a church or any organization can not have an account. GB fan (talk) 15:14, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

ship bells

I have a ship's bell with the engraved ships name of traverse dated 1928. can you give me some history of the ship and the possible value of the bell. thank you. Jim C. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.23.164.177 (talk) 15:19, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

• This page is to ask questions about using Wikipedia. If you want an answer to your question, I recommend visiting the Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. Please also give the engraved name of the ship. Without it, it's impossible to help you. - Mgm|^(talk) 15:37, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

display of title of List of Victorious episodes

Using both IE8 and firefox, the title of List of Victorious episodes displays with a lowercase "L" as list of Victorious episodes. Can someone with technical know how see whats up with that? Active Banana (^bananaphone 15:48, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. The problem was the inclusion of the pages Victorious (season 1) and Victorious (season 2). Those pages have the template {{lowercase title}} which causes a lowercase title. I put them between noinclude brackets so the problem will not reoccur. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 16:07, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Is there any reason to have lower case on the season articles? The creator edited iCarly (season 1) right before. I suspect the creator copied infobox code and {{lowercase title}} together without knowing the meaning of {{lowercase title}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:31, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Better highlighting of diff

Resolved

Is there a way to have better highlighting of the differences in a "diff"? Just putting the characters in red can be very hard to see- for instance, changing a comma to a period. Also, it doesn't show space added or deleted. Can the background of the differences be made different, so they show up? Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 16:39, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

There is something called WikEdDiff, which gives a much-enhanced diff view - see this screenshot.

I note the instructions on that linked page are somewhat out-of-date, so let me give you the 1-minute version;

• Go to Special:Mypage/skin.js
• Add the following line;

importScript('User:Cacycle/wikEdDiff.js');

• Do a 'hard refresh', as mentioned.

You should then see a small green triangle underneath diffs; clicking it should show the enhanced diff view.

It is possible to customize the colour and appearance; see User:Cacycle/wikEdDiff.  Chzz  ►  16:46, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah, yes, that is what I need. Thanks. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 17:14, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

It works! Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 17:23, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Hindu Ancient Village Diety

I would like to know about the Female Hindu village deity Pachai Vazhi Amman and the origin of her temple in manjakuppam in cuddalor Tamil Nadu. Could somebody please provide the relevant details as well as the photographs. Awaiting your reply. Thanks in advance.

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Humanities reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 19:41, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

correction of incomplete email that is supposed to let me post a message on msnbc.com's access instructions.

when i try to post a comment, my email address comes up bobji@ which is my fault. ijust want to correct it to bobji66@, the rest of the address is correct' james w. johnson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.43.76.12 (talk) 22:18, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.5 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. -- PhantomSteve.alt/talk\^{[alternative account of Phantomsteve]} 22:22, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Unable to post a new page

I created a new page (Jama-Coaque Ecological Reserve) and cannot post it. I do not see (or cannot find, or do not have access to) the "move" button. What can I do to finally post this article? The article is titled Jama-Coaque Ecological Reserve. My username is jerrytoth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jerrytoth/Jama-Coaque_Ecological_Reserve Jerrytoth (talk) 23:05, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I've moved the article for you. You can find it at Jama-Coaque Ecological Reserve. Dismas|^(talk) 23:07, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan

I visited http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan and I'm looking at butt holes. Like graphic someone spreading their cheeks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.176.130.1 (talk) 23:24, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

The template vandalism has been reverted. Thank you for pointing this out. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 23:30, 15 May 2011 (UTC)