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December 10

Where pink_sapphire_ring.jpg came from

Can someone tell me where the pink_sapphire_ring.jpg came from that i saw on the Wikipedia Sapphire page on the right hand side? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.52.55.33 (talk) 02:16, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

The image currently at File:Pink sapphire ring.jpg was originally uploaded 15 October 2008 to File:Sapphire ring.jpg (which is now another image) with this:

File information

Description	Pink Sapphire ring
Source	I created this work entirely by myself.
Date	June 2008
Author	Charlesjsharp (talk)Charles J Sharp
Permission (Reusing this file)	See below.

The author's addition of the image to Sapphire in [1] gives no further information. His user page User:Charlesjsharp says "Amateur photographer from the UK." You can try posting to User talk:Charlesjsharp but he hasn't edited since 12 July 2012. If you create an account with e-mail enabled then you can mail him at Special:EmailUser/Charlesjsharp. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:30, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Should Muslim Denominations be Shown Next To Religion in Infobox?

There seems to be disagreement over whether or not "Sunni Islam" or "Shia Islam" should be on a Muslim's infobox next to "Religion" or just "Islam". I believe there should be consistency, and there are many Muslim world leaders whose sects are mentioned. There are also many whose sects also aren't mentioned. I don't know where to go for people to discuss this issue where people would respond in less than a year and set a precedent. There are many well known Muslim world leaders with their sects mentioned, including Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan, Ilham Aliyev of Azerbaijan, Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa of Bahrain, Bashar al-Assad of Syria, Ali Khamenei and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran, Nouri al-Maliki of Iraq, Asif Ali Zardari of Pakistan, Mahmoud Abbas of Palestine, Emomalii Rahmon of Tajikstan, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan of Turkey, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono of Indonesia, Abdelkader Taleb Omar of partially recognized Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, Former President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, Najib Razak of Malaysia, Hamadi Jebali of Tunisia, Mohammed Magariaf and Ali Zeidan of Libya, Abdullah II of Jordan, Almazbek Atambayev of Kyrgyzstan, Najib Mikati of Lebanon, Yahya Jammeh of Gambia, and Former Palestinian President Yasser Arafat.

So that's my position on this.--Xxhopingtearsxx (talk) 02:28, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I think you would get a better response if you ask this question at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:32, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Alright, thanks.--Xxhopingtearsxx (talk) 02:44, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm actually curious as to the reasons that people would support Islam over more specific information. For Christianity, not only do we split out Protestant vs. Catholic, we go *considerably* deeper than that. For example, President Jimmy Carter, the text in the Infobox is Baptist, the link of which is for a specific convention which split off from the Southern Baptist Convention. My rule of thumb would be that if it is specifically mentioned on Islamic schools and branches, has an article and it is referenced include it. Having said that, I'd go with the BLP noticeboard as suggested.

Some Christians identify themselves as "Christian" and do not specify Protestant, Catholic, etc., because they are guided by the teachings of Jesus, and consider the divisions distracting and irrelevant. For all I know, some Muslims may have a similar view. Maproom (talk) 17:15, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

They are actually denominations, not sects. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 17:31, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I changed the title of this section to denominations.--Xxhopingtearsxx (talk) 02:03, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Butting in

How does one determine when it is ok to insert one's post above a previous post? I recently made a comment. Then someone else seemed to "parlay" (highjack) my comment as their own idea and inserted it above mine. So I reinserted my comment and it was moved back? Thanks.GeeBIGS (talk) 06:01, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Editing other people's posts on talk pages is not allowed unless the post itself is a violation of other rules such as the prohibitions against spam, personal attack, etc. Roger (talk) 08:47, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Could you explain yourself? I did not do what you are saying so I'm assuming you mean my post should not have been moved backGeeBIGS (talk) 12:17, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I believe that Roger was just speaking generally and was not referring specifically to what you did. Dismas|^(talk) 12:42, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

That seems like a waste of text on Roger's part. If we all just made random generalities that had absolutely NOTHING to do with the Question asked, wikipedia would lose alot of teeth.165.212.189.187 (talk) 14:44, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

When am I allowed to do this?165.212.189.187 (talk) 19:30, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Indeed a general answer - if you want a specific answer you need to provide us with specific information - such as a link to the page where the edits you describe happened. Roger (talk) 14:49, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello!

I want to translate some articles from English language to Farsi language and put in Wikipedia. But I don't know how to do this workHandsome1980 (talk) 08:39, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

There is some guidance at Wikipedia:Translate us. Roger (talk) 08:44, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

How can i create a new content.

I would like to create a content about my organisation Water and Sanitation for Africa (www.wsafrica.org). Kindly show me the process involve in adding this content to Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toluolusakin (talk • contribs) 10:55, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

You should first read the conflict of interest guideline and the frequently-asked questions for companies. As you belong to the organisation in question, you should not be the person to create an article about it. Instead, consider listing WSAfrica at Requested articles, so that another editor can create the page for you. Bear in mind that if the company does not meet the inclusion criteria for businesses it is unlikely to be created (and will be quickly deleted if it is). Yunshui 雲‍水 11:11, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Alternatively, you might find somebody who wants to create the article by asking at WT:WikiProject Africa. --ColinFine (talk) 17:42, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Second account

Hiya,

I am just wondering what the policies for a second account are, the reason i ask is last night i was on my tablet just reading up on some edits from this account and i nearly accidently due to problem with the tablet done a rollback on admin board, i rather make a second account that has no powers i have on this account so i can still observe and comment on talk pages from my tablet without the worry of doing something bad with this account which does have powers, powers of which i do not want to abuse or accidentally use, but i obviously want to link it to my main account and obviously make it know that that account is only there to allow me to edit from my tablet but is related to this account and any problems or so on should be brought to this accountAndrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 13:01, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Sock puppetry#Legitimate uses as well as the section just below it, Wikipedia:Sock puppetry#Alternative account notification.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:14, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

FWIW, the sort of account you describe would be perfectly legitimate under the policy. But you should still read it. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:28, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok Thanks i will make sure it all linked up properly i just want not to do anything bad due to problem on the tablet, i have been reading through it i will make sure i do everything properly thank you for the helpAndrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 13:32, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

If someone can verify i have done everything correctly or not if io need to do anything elwe pleae let me know user:andrewcrawfordtablet

Proxmox Virtual Environment page deletion

I am system administrator and I use Wikipedia to get an overview of a new software because it always gives me information in the same way. And Wikipedia does usually have this information. Once (2-3 years ago) I discovered a great virtualization solution and tried to find a related article in Wikipedia about it and was surprised - it had been deleted in English Wikipedia as non-notable.

Three years later this software became mature and widely used. I went to Wikipedia and found out that still there is no article in English Wikipedia about that software. I decided to translate this article from Russian and created a page again (it was my first article in Wikipedia ever). One or two month later it was again deleted as non-notable. A lot of Linux administrators over the world know this application and use it for a long time already but I haven't even managed to prove its notability.

How can I save this article from deletion? Why is it so difficult to create an article about popular and widely used software? Is it going to be easier someday? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.66.10.152 (talk) 14:07, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

The most recent deletion discussion was at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Proxmox Virtual Environment. An article will be saved from deletion if there are multiple references to independent reliable sources which demonstrate the subject's notability. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:33, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I found this: virtualization.findthebest.com/l/37/Proxmox-VE, can it be considered as a reliable source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.66.10.152 (talk) 14:50, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

And couple more: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/proxmox-the-high-performance-virtualization-server-for-the-rest-of-us/9181, http://www.montanalinux.org/proxmox-ve-review.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.66.10.152 (talk) 14:58, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

https://lwn.net/Articles/375930/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.66.10.152 (talk) 15:06, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Deletion review is thataway...--ukexpat (talk) 18:57, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

CORRECTION TO "List of defunct special forces units"

The 6499th Support Group units (Detachments 5 and 6) were NOT "special forces" units. They were Intelligence units. I was assigned to Detachment 6, as well as Detachments 1 and 4. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.240.165.90 (talk) 15:09, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback and input. Could you please name a reliable source that we can verify that statement? Thank you Tiggerjay (talk) 06:33, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

I've removed these entries as un-cited.We don't need sources to remove information, we need sources to include it. I also found links here and here suggesting they were intelligence units. Trugster | Talk | Contributions 17:11, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Search biographical articles with surname

I want to quickly search all biographical articles with surname "Dutta" to ensure we have all names included in the article Dutta. Any idea how to do this? --Tito Dutta (talk) 16:43, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't think the Wikipedia search function is sophisticated enough to do that. I think all you can do is search for "Dutta" using the search box (click "search", not "go").--ukexpat (talk) 17:05, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

A search for intitle:Dutta gives a much shorter list of articles where "Dutta" is part of the title. That may be closer to what you need. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:21, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, the search function will be helpful. Another thing most probably I can do, create a temporary dabpage (in my sandbox?) list the entries from Dutta article and scan the page with Dabfix,it'll suggest me the missing names! Any to get help from Defaultsort or persondata which actually arranges names in Surname, Name order?--Tito Dutta (talk) 18:35, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Clearing Sandbox

I developed the article "Automated Parking System" in my sandbox and submitted it for creation . It has been created and indexed but still occupies my sandbox with a note that it is a redirect. I deleted the article from my sandbox but this apparently also deleted the entire article. How can I get back to my blank sandbox without deleting this article? Slyhannah (talk) 18:13, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I assume what you're after is this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Slyhannah/sandbox&redirect=no If you follow that link, and then click edit there, you can remove the redirect and continue to use your sandbox normally.

In future, note that whenever you get redirected from a page, a small piece of text appears under the title reading, e.g.:

(Redirected from User:Slyhannah/sandbox)

If you follow the link in this piece of text, you get to the redirect page with ?redirect=no appended to the URL, which prevents it from redirecting you. See WP:REDIRECT for more.

Cheers! Spitfire^Tally-ho! 18:24, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I have edited User:Slyhannah/sandbox to remove the redirect code, leaving a link to Automated Parking System in place.--ukexpat (talk) 18:35, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I have also moved the article to Automated parking system to comply with Wikipedia's naming conventions.--ukexpat (talk) 18:39, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia keeps deleting my page

I am creating a Wikipedia page for my boss Zandra Rivera at her request. Every time I save the page and leave the site, our page is deleted.

Why is this happening. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zandrarivera (talk • contribs) 18:18, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Because the user page at User:Zandrarivera (which is not a Wikipedia article) is far too promotional in tone and in breach of the user page guidelines. Because you have a conflict of interest, you should not be creating any kind of page on Wikipedia about your boss.--ukexpat (talk) 18:30, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

And if the content was too promotional for a user page, it would also be too promotional for an article. Please see WP:NOT and WP:NPOV. --ColinFine (talk) 22:20, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

It should be noted that this account was blocked, since the name is an confessed impersonation of a living person. I will note as well that Wikipedia does not delete, block, etc. anything: we Wikipedians, individual live human beings, do so, for reasons that we consider adequate (and for which we are expected to be answerable). --Orange Mike | Talk 22:27, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I will note further that the individual people who do the deleting and blocking are, in almost all cases, not part of any Wikipedia or Wikimedia organization; we are volunteers, members of the general public, who are trying to make the best encyclopedia. Petershank (talk) 18:47, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Plastered Human Skull

Could someone with skills at assisting new editors check into the above linked page and assist the page's creator. They are making a good effort at creating an article on what looks to be an interesting archaeological find, but are having trouble with various WP markup language nuances, and are asking for help on the article's talk page. - TexasAndroid (talk) 20:30, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I have replied at that talk page.--ukexpat (talk) 21:47, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

One thing that would be helpful, a redirect for (non-caps), or consider page rename? → Plastered human skull. ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 11:11, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

 Redirect created Mdann52 (talk) 13:16, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

How does one add "citation needed" reference to an assertion in an article?

I have no trouble finding the template section that mentions "citation needed." But for the life of me, I can't figure out how to actually do it. I go to the article, highlight the test, and then what? Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Filbertosis (talk • contribs) 21:34, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

You add the {{Citation needed}} template or its {{Cn}} shortcut.--ukexpat (talk) 21:47, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Mordechai Anielewicz

Greetings

My great uncle was Mordechai Anielewicz (Leader of the Warswa Ghetto Uprising) and I possess a photo of him that I would like to have included in his Wiki profile.

I look forward to receive your response with instructions as to how I can go about loading the photo onto his profile.

Thanks

Regards,

Michel Aniel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Info4communication (talk • contribs) 21:38, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Standard image advice follows:

• If you want to upload an image from your computer for use in an article, you must determine the proper license of the image (or whether it is in the public domain). If you know the image is public domain or copyrighted but under a suitable free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons instead of here, so that all projects have access to the image (sign up). If you are unsure of the licensing status, see the file upload wizard for more information. Please also read Wikipedia's image use policy.
• If you want to add an image that has already been uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, add [[File:File name.jpg|thumb|Caption text.]] to the area of the article where you want the image to appear – replacing File name.jpg with the actual file name of the image, and Caption text with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information. I hope this helps.--ukexpat (talk) 21:49, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

There is already one picture of him at Commons, see commons:Mordechaj Anielewicz. --CiaPan (talk) 11:17, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Pagalbos biuras

lt:Vikipedija:Pagalbos biuras

Will you please give me a short summary overview of what of expect from using WikipediA? Sign me as "Retired War Vet Circa 1953" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.102.12.204 (talk) 23:08, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

You can ask there and in Lithuanian. Then someone might understand what you are asking about (what are the benefits of reading Wikipedia? contributing to it? the required competences? something else?).

Jūs galite ten ir pasiklausti - lietuviškai. Tokiu atveju bus lengviau suprasti, ko klausiate (kokia nauda iš Vikipedijos skaitymo? rašymo? reikalingos kompetencijos? dar kažkas?). --Martynas Patasius (talk) 23:33, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

—== Founder of the first Pasar Malam in The Hague Holland Dierentuin in 1958 Mary Bruckel-Beiten ==

To whome it may concern: This article I send to Wikipedia talk: Articles for creation.

Could you please explain to me why I cannot find this article, only when I write in:wikipedia Mary Bruckel-Beiten and why it shows in Chinese section only.

This article is very important, because Wikipedia has Tjalie Robinson as the first founder, a self proclaimed false historical story.

Please look at all original true media articles in book available at Amazon: PASAR MALAM SELAMAT DATANG in HOLLAND.

A history should be the truth. Please do not let corruption play a roll in this matter.

Thank you for your attention, Geraldine — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.66.122.141 (talk) 23:22, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

This English-language Wikipedia has an article on Pasar malam, and another on Tjalie Robinson. Are you drawing our attention to an error in one of these? Or somewhere else? If somewhere else, then where? If you have tried to create an article, I do not know how to find it – were you logged in as a registered user when you created it? If you were, please tell us your account name. Maproom (talk) 23:32, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I found Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Founder of the first Pasar Malam in The Hague Holland Dierentuin in 1958 Mary Bruckel-Beiten. It didn't occur to me that your long section heading was the actual page name at articles for creation. Maybe you made a search with an external search engine and found http://wpedia.goo.ne.jp/enwiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Founder_of_the_first_Pasar_Malam_in_The_Hague_Holland_Dierentuin_in_1958_Mary_Bruckel-Beiten which you call the "Chinese section". It's actually in Japanese, and it's not associated with Wikipedia. It's one of many unrelated websites which copy pages from Wikipedia. This one is listed at Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks/Vwxyz#gooWikipedia. Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Founder of the first Pasar Malam in The Hague Holland Dierentuin in 1958 Mary Bruckel-Beiten was created by User:Geraldine Bruckel who must be you. The page mentions "her daughter in law Geraldine Bruckel-Lang". I guess that's you. When you created the page you must have removed a line saying "Important, do not remove this line before article has been created." This meant the draft article was never submitted for review into the real encyclopedia. I have readded the line with a parameter indicating the page is a draft not currently submitted for review. There are problems but I will leave others to answer. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:21, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

A self proclamation of false name honouring, documented in Wikipedia Encyclopedia

Hallo Help Desk, I have put an article about a true story of proof through original media articles and reports of historians that the story about the first founder of the Pasar Malam in the Hague Holland was founded by a woman named: Mary Bruckel Beiten. It is not Tjalie Robinson as is claimed in your Wikipedia Encyclopedia. Please look for Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation: Founder of the first Pasar Malam in The Hague Holland Dierentuin in 1958 Mary Bruckel-Beiten. All original proofs are in book at Amazon called:PASAR MALAM SELAMAT DATANG in HOLLAND. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.66.122.141 (talk) 02:28, 12 December 2012 (UTC)