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December 31

When should talk not be redirected?

If XXXA redirects to XXXB, should Talk:XXXA *always* redirect to Talk:XXXB? And if XXXC redirects to XXXD#foo, what should happen to Talk:XXXC?Naraht (talk) 05:15, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

It is not necessary to create talk page redirects. They are, however, automatically created when a page is moved, and there is no need to delete them, nor any problem with deleting them. Yes they redirect A to B, and talk:C can be edited to redirect to D (but it can not be redirected to a special section on the D talk page). Normally that type of redirect is created when a Foo page contents are merged into D#Foo with a link to the section Foo. What happens if that section ever gets expanded and pulled back out into its own Foo article, the talk page Talk:Foo is edited to delete the redirect, and that can be done with a revert, so that any prior talk page comments for Foo are restored. Make sense? Apteva (talk) 07:37, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

I have noticed that it is handy to leave the talk page on redirects. Talk:67 X and Talk:Roslyn Kind can actually be useful.--Canoe1967 (talk) 09:12, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

In the case of XXXC to XXXD#FOO it can be helpful to maintain the XXXC talk page to maintain a discussion about merging or redirecting XXXC in the first place; and that discussion may or may not be relevant on the XXXD page. Tiggerjay (talk) 18:13, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

WAZL Listen Live Link

WAZL Is Now Streaming Online And Here Is The Webcast Link For The Station. 98.229.132.126 (talk) 09:40, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

That's nice. Have you a question about using Wikipedia? That is what this page is for. --ColinFine (talk) 11:26, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

This Listen Live Link I've Provided Belongs On This Article — WAZL 98.229.132.126 (talk) 20:56, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Never Mind. I Added The Listen Live Link For WAZL Myself. It Works Just Fine. 98.229.132.126 (talk) 21:02, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Free Wikipedia editor access to NTRL / NTIS?

Is there any reasonable method for a Wikipedia hobbyist editor to get continual free access to the otherwise pay-per-document United States federal information resources of NTIS / NTRL?

• National Technical Information Service -- http://www.ntis.gov/
• National Technical Reports Library -- http://www.ntis.gov/products/ntrl.aspx

They want either $3000 a year for non-profit access, or about $15 per electronic document retrieved. I want to use high quality citations in the technical Wikipedia articles I edit, but I am not so "dedicated" as being willing to fork out that kind of cash, simply looking for possible article citations.

I live out in the middle of rural nowhere in Wisconsin, so there aren't any big colleges or metro public libraries that might possibly be nearby that are paying for document access.

And I can't really pass this research work on to someone else who does have access, as I'm doing general topic searches which may yield hundreds of documents to download and look through.

-- DMahalko (talk) 13:14, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

It's not available for NTRL or NTIS at present, but you might want to make the suggestion at The Wikipedia Library, or ask User:Ocaasi to look into it; he's been instrumental in getting Wikipedia editors access to Highbeam, JSTOR and so on. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:30, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

You should also check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange where editors with access can often help out.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 17:12, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Create a link to a cell in a table

Hi, is it possible to create a link to a specific cell in a table on a page? I.e. the cell with the year 1978 here. // WikiPhoenix ^[Talk] 13:26, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

You could try to add an anchor to that table. You can use the {{Anchor}} template for that. Then you can link to that anchor just like linking to any section, ie. [[Toto discography#AnchorName]]. The anchor name can be defined as a parameter of the {{Anchor}} template. You might need to fiddle with that a bit to find out where inside the wiki-markup to place the anchor. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 13:48, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! // WikiPhoenix ^[Talk] 19:24, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Article for political party in Somalia

Dear help desk editor, I want to create an article for a new political party in Somalia. I saw that Wikipedia has an standard template for political organizations. Can I get that template to put the information of the party. Thanks. Said — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xisbigadadkasoomaaliyeed (talk • contribs) 13:30, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Maybe you are talking about Template:Infobox political party? The wikipedia help desk does not have a single editor. It is the collaborative effort of hundreds, maybe thousands. Legolover26 (talk) 15:43, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

If you want to create an article, you should start by reading WP:Your First Article, which advises you how to go about it. If you create an article about a political party, you will certainly want to make use of Template:Infobox political party; but that creates just the infobox, not the whole article. But if you are affiliated with the party you have a conflict of interest, so it would be best if you did not write the article. --ColinFine (talk) 23:50, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Subsection link

In the Jude Law article, in the subsection "1980s-1990s", I'm trying to link to the subsection "The Case-Book of Sherlock Holmes (1991–1993)" in List of Sherlock Holmes episodes using "Shoscombe Old Place" in the Law article. Instead, it links to the top of the destination article. I've had problems in the past linking to a subsection rather than a section, but Help:Section seems to indicate it will work ("The anchors disregard the depth of the section"). Is it possible? Do I need to do it differently? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:56, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

I removed the italic-formatting apostrophes, and that seems to have fixed it. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:03, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

That was just a silly copy-paste error on my part; you have no idea how long I stared at it (sigh), and then, of course, I got side-tracked mistakenly thinking it was a technical issue. Thanks much for catching it.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:43, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Tommy Rall

Look up his date of birth in the article. It says he was born at 83 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.225.85.144 (talk) 16:06, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Tommy Rall (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I think it's trying to say that he is currently 83 years old. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:07, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Correct. It's part of a template, the purpose of which is to update people's ages automatically so that editors don't have to painstakingly manually edit their ages on their birthdays. Legolover26 (talk) 17:19, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Leo Walmsley

My name is Simon Walmsley the eldest son of his. You made a slight error pertaining to the date of Leo divorcing my mother Margaret Bell Walmsley. That occurred in 1955 not 1942. My brother Sean was not even born until 1943. Thank you, Simon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.106.247.130 (talk) 18:30, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your question. Can you please direct us to a reliable source we can use to make this correction. Unfortunately we cannot simply take your word for it because we cannot verify your identity and because it would be considered original research. Thanks. Tiggerjay (talk) 18:42, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Also since the page was not sourced at all, I have added a tag that the page is unsourced, and it should draw attention to some editors who can help find reliable sources for the article. Tiggerjay (talk) 18:46, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Dossie Easton wiki

Dossie Easton (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hi Wonderful Wikipersons -

I am Dossie Easton. Some small updates to my page, not sure how to do it so sending them to you.

First, Subjects should include "polyamory"

Second, I have published four articles in academic anthologies, as listed below:

Articles:

• “Shadowplay: SM Journeys to Our Selves,” in Safe, Sane and Consensual, eds. Meg Barker and Darren Langdridge, UK 2007.

• “Making Friends with Jealousy,” in Nonmonogamies, eds. Meg Barker and Darren Langdridge, Routledge, 2010.

• “Cultural Competence with BDSM Clients,” in Counseling Idealogies, Queer Challenges to Heteronormativity, ed. Lyndsey Moon, Ashgate Publishing, United Kingdom, 2010.

• “Sex and Relationships: Reflections on Living Outside the Box” in Families - Beyond the Nuclear Ideal, eds. Daniela Cutas and Sarah Chan, Blomsbury, London, 2012.

Please let me know if I can add these things, or you can, or how it's done.

Thanks,

Dossie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.117.211 (talk) 18:47, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for wanting to add information to wikipedia and asking here first. For informational you provided, we will need to have reliable sources which can verify the information you provided. If you can reply with that information it would be very helpful. Also please see WP:COI and WP:BLP for more information before you make direct changes to your article. Thank you Tiggerjay (talk) 20:35, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

References

Something like this? (Also tidied-up a bit) ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 20:16, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 Added to article 74.60.29.141 (talk) 20:59, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Why is what I am saying being deleted

Everything I have posted is true 100% just because it is not what people want to hear it is true surrounded by marines for majority of my life I think I would know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ftm2013 (talk • contribs) 18:54, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with that and everything to do with the fact that you are constantly adding unsourced material over and over again --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 18:58, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Your personal knowledge is not enough to support material in Wikipedia, because a reader (now or in ten years' time) has no way of verifying that it is correct. See WP:Verifiability. --ColinFine (talk) 23:53, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

centering a table

Would like to please center the two "strip" tables of molecules in Fluorine (pharma section and then organic compounds section). On my screen shows left justified. note, I don't mean the contents of the table, mean the entire table itself wrt the page.TCO (talk) 19:14, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

See HELP:TABLECENTER. --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 14:49, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Talk Page Archives

Is it 'bad juju' to edit your own personal talk page archives? I've been on WP for almost four or five years and for some reason at one point I thought it was a good idea to archive 3 pages worth of Signpost messages, and I'd like to just delete the pages (there's nothing else of substance on the pages). --TKK ^{bark !} 19:25, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to edit your own talk page, it is considered WP:REFACTORING. I would suggest that you delete all of the signposts in one swift move, and then place an edit summary to reflect that change. If you feel the need to remove or delete other things, see that refactoring page as well. Tiggerjay (talk) 20:38, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Error on the page for Jolly Rancher flavor it says there is a flavor black people?

There is a flavor that I think is wrong can you delete it ? it says black people? Thanks.

Jolly Rancher Not to be confused with Jolly Roger.

This article relies on references to primary sources or sources affiliated with the subject.Please add citations from reliable and independent sources. (December 2011)

Assorted flavors of Jolly Rancher candies. Jolly Rancher is a brand of candy, including hard candy,[1] gummies, fruit chews,jellybeans, lollipops, and sodas.[2] It is currently owned by The Hershey Company. The product was originally produced by the Jolly Rancher Company, founded in 1949 byBill Harmsen of Golden, Colorado.[1] The Jolly Rancher Company made ice cream,chocolate and candy sold at several "Ranch Maid Ice Cream" stores in the Denver area. The name was meant to suggest western hospitality.[1] Jolly Rancher was sold to Beatrice Foods in 1966 and to Leaf in 1983. In 1996 Leaf North America was acquired by the Hershey Company.[1] Jolly Rancher candies come in many different flavors, including Blue Raspberry, Grape, Black People, Watermelon, Green Apple, and Cherry. [edit]References

^ a b c d "Jolly Rancher hard candy". ^ Elizabeth Beverage Company. "Jolly Rancher". Archived from the original on 2007-02-12. Retrieved 2007-06-25. [edit]External links

Jolly Rancher at thehersheycompany.com [hide]v t e Confectionery products of The Hershey Company Italics indicates discontinued products. Chocolate-based 5th Avenue Almond Joy Bar None Bliss Cadbury Creme Egg³ Cadbury Dairy Milk³ Cherry Blossom Dagoba GlosetteHeath bar Hershey bar Hershey's Drops Hershey-ets Hershey's Kisses Hershey's Kissables Hershey's MiniaturesHershey's S'mores Hershey's Special Dark Kit Kat² Krackel Milk Duds Mini Eggs³ Mounds Mr. Goodbar NutRageousOh Henry!¹ Rally Reese's Crispy Crunchy Bar Reese's Fast Break Reese's Peanut Butter Cups Reese's PiecesReese's Whipps ReeseSticks Rolo² Scharffen Berger Skor Snack Barz Swoops Symphony Take 5 (Max 5) WhatchamacallitWhoppers York Peppermint Pattie Others Bubble Yum Good & Plenty Good & Fruity Hershey's Cookies 'n' Creme Ice Breakers Jolly Rancher Koolerz Mauna LoaPayDay Twizzlers Zagnut ZERO Hershey's also manufactures military chocolate for the U.S. armed forces. 1 Marketed in both the United States and Canada, but sold as a Hershey’s product only within Canada. U.S. rights owned by Nestlé. 2 Marketed in a number of countries, but sold as a Hershey’s product only within the United States. Brand owned by Nestlé. 3 Marketed in a number of countries, but sold as a Hershey’s product only within the United States. Brand owned by Mondelez International.

Sent from my iPad — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.36.53.146 (talk) 19:57, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that, it was simply vandalism by someone who posted that several hours ago here by an anonymous editor. I have since corrected it here. Unfortunately people like to vandalize wikipedia. We typically catch this sort of behavior quickly, but this one stayed up for about 18 hours. Tiggerjay (talk) 20:43, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Next time, you can consider Being bold and editing the page yourself. You can see an edit button on the top of every page, including this one. Or, it would be more easy to click on the edit button to the upper right of every section. Legolover26 (talk) 21:26, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

User:Jacques Koolen

I have completed an article including references and URLs in my user page and am having difficulty creating a new title page and copying and pasting all the information including the links to the new page. Could you please advise how I can expedite this successfully.Thanks Jacques Koolen (talk) 21:21, 31 December 2012 (UTC)Jacques KoolenJacques Koolen (talk) 21:21, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Try the move feature. At the top of most pages, not including this one, you will find a down arrow. Once you click on this, you will see "Move". It is pretty much self-explanatory from there. Legolover26 (talk) 21:28, 31 December 2012 (UTC),

Except, since there is already an article at The Rumour, you will need to use a disambiguated title. I suggest here you move the article, as suggested, to the name The Rumour (New Zealand band) and that you add a hatnote at the top of the The Rumour, pointing to the article you created and have moved to the new title. The hatnote form I would suggest is {{This|Graham Parker's backup band|the New Zealand band|The Rumour (New Zealand band)}}, which will format as:

This page is about Graham Parker's backup band. For the New Zealand band, see The Rumour (New Zealand band).

In that way, people who type "The Rumour" into our search engine and end up at the other article will be informed about the one you created. Please note a few problem with the page you have created. Most importantly, it does not contain inline citations to reliable sources that verify its content. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners. It also is not in any categories and does not contain judicious links to other Wikipedia articles. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:36, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Beate Sirota Gordon

My grandmother Beate Sirota Gordon passed away last night. Her page currently says that she was 90, but she was actually 89. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.175.83.174 (talk) 21:42, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Corrected now. It was saying -90 because an editor had got the parameters back to front when using Template:Death date and age. Our sympathy for your loss. - David Biddulph (talk) 21:56, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, also we would like to add a picture, or pictures. I think that I can just go ahead adding them to the body, but how can I add a primary photo to the article head? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.175.83.174 (talk) 22:44, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Creation and usage of media files however you will need to login to Wikipedia and create an account. Tiggerjay (talk) 23:08, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Or you could just submit the image(s) to WP:Files for Upload. The Anonymouse (talk • contribs) 23:14, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

There are photos on her corresponding Ukrainian WP page:[1] - I've already inquired about this over at the WP:Teahouse. ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 23:33, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Alternatively, the photos could be put on a photo sharing website (with the appropriate 'Free Use' tagging, from where Wikpedia could source them. Though that also requires some sort of account too. Makng a WP account may be simpler. Could there already be any public domain photos on the Net? The Ukranian WP ones would be, surely? Happy UTC New Year All! - 220 of ^Borg 00:21, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

I've already tried FIST (Free Image Search Tool) - no luck, and the Ukrainian WP photos are tagged as "non-free". ~E : 74.60.29.141 (talk) 00:33, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Which would expalin why they aren't on commons - 220 of ^Borg 01:31, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Kyodo News just put one up here. How long do we have to wait for a free source to appear before we can consider it free use? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 08:45, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Adding a Photo

Per your second question 68.175.83.174 74.60.29.141, see Wikipedia:Picture tutorial. The basic syntax is [[Image:filename.xxx]]. Where "filename.png" is "filename" in png(Portable Network Graphics) format. [[Image:filename.xxx|250px|thumb]] "px" sets the size, thumb makes it a thumbnail. Detailed syntax information is at Wikipedia:Extended image syntax and Meta - Help:File - 220 of ^Borg 01:31, 1 January 2013 (UTC) (edited IP correction - 220 of ^Borg 01:52, 1 January 2013 (UTC))

We (the family) have access to many photos. In order to add one to the article title I need some help, but to add photos to the article body I can just use an image hosting site, am I correct? Could I upload photos to Wikipedia itself or just link photobucket/imageshack etc.? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.175.83.174 (talk) 16:02, 1 January 2013‎
(I have indented your post for readability) 220 of ^Borg

• Photos have to be on Wikipedia or wp:commons. To do that yourself you need an autoconfirmed account. You cannot link to an external picture and have it appear on the page. You could add a link to an external photo in the pages external links section. If you put the pics on "photobucket/imageshack etc." and tag them as free use/public domain/CC-BY-SA 3.0 License or whatever, they can then be copied to WP or the Commons. Note that if you do this then you are no longer in control of the use of that photo. PS. what do you mean by "add one [photo] to the article title"? - 220 of ^Borg 18:44, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

• Apparently there is a video showing how to upload pictures here on YouTube (I haven't viewed it). Link borrowed from Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions#Please, tell me !, where a similar query came up - 220 of ^Borg 19:05, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

• See also Wikipedia:Help_desk#Why can't I upload a picture? (just a few posts below). Apparently on commons you don't have to wait 4 days and 10 edits to be auto-confirmed, create an account on Wikimedia Commons and you can upload immediately, - 220 of ^Borg 20:32, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Correct - Commons has no autoconfirmation requirement. See Special:MergeAccount for unifying accounts on other Wikimedia projects.--ukexpat (talk) 20:50, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

What I meant was that I don't see how i can add a "primary" photo at the beginning, because there is no Edit button for the title of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.175.83.174 (talk) 20:47, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Click the edit tab at the top of the page.--ukexpat (talk) 20:50, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps by "main photo" you are referring to the 'Infobox' - in that case, you edit the page and put the file name (only, with no File: prefix or brackets) where it says | image = - If you prefer, once photo(s) are uploaded, an editor would be glad to do this for you - just come back here and let us know. ~E : 74.60.29.141 (talk) 02:09, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

The Infobox at the top right of the article would be the right place for a lead portrait photo. Once you upload it, edit the article. Line 4 (currently) has an empty image value, which you would change to the filename of the photo you uploaded, for example:

|image = Beate Gordon at Disneyland.jpg

and you can add a caption two lines down, changing the empty caption value to something like:

|caption = Gordon at Disneyland in 2007

If you have pictures of her receiving one of the awards, like the Order of the Sacred Treasure, or one of her degrees, the Honors section could use one. The Japan section could use a pic from the constitution-writing process. etc. Just upload them and someone can help stick them in for you. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 03:30, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

View History

A few weeks ago, I noticed that the "View history" tab disappeared. I can find it in the drop-down menu (near "move page"), but I prefer having it have its own tab. This is only a problem on the English Wikipedia; I have no problems with other languages or projects. I use the vector skin. -- YPNYPN ✡ 23:37, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

I would suggest you look under Preferences and see what your Skin is set to. Try changing it to something else. Also if you have implemented custom CSS that might be affecting your ability to view it as well. Tiggerjay (talk) 00:56, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm using a few JavaScripts, but disabling each one did nothing. I'm not using custom CSS. Weirdly, sometimes as the page begins to load, it the View History tab appears, but then it vanishes when the page finishes loading. -- YPNYPN ✡ 02:04, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Interesting, JavaScript was going to be my second guess. Try using Internet Explorer if you can, also try clearing your browser cache. It definitely sounds like something localized to you; and sounds like some sort of customization. Tiggerjay (talk) 04:49, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

There seems to be no problem on Internet Explorer or Google Chrome, just on Firefox. I logged out, and the tab reappeared, only to vanish again when I logged in. -- YPNYPN ✡ 16:12, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Sandbox link

I have the 'Add a "Sandbox" link to the personal toolbar area' option checked in my Preferences under Gadgets, but the Sandbox option has stopped appearing, any idea why ? I use ie8, thanks, GrahamHardy (talk) 23:44, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Okay. you have added 'Add a "Sandbox" link in the Appearance section of the gadget in your preference. I've some point there.

• Did you hit the save button after adding it?
• Suppose if you've made a mistake then recheck your preference whether you really clicked the 'Add a "Sandbox" link to the personal toolbar area'.
• At last please check whether you reloaded your browser after saving your preference.

Check this three point hope your problem will be solved. But if there's problem again then feel free to ask.--Pratyya ^{(Happy New Year)} 08:07, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

It's back working now ! Thanks and a HNY GrahamHardy (talk) 14:38, 1 January 2013 (UTC)