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January 23

Paraphrased quote

There is a direct quotation cited to a source in the Death of Sean Kennedy; the problem is that it is actually a paraphrase. I'm not sure what to do (if anything). The paraphrase is a reasonable representation, but not a direct quote. I can't find a way to change the wording so as to remove the quotes, and the actual quote is rather long and would seem 'WP:undue'. Re: 2nd paragraph, Death section; source:[1] paragraph 7. ~Suggestions? ~:74.60.29.141 (talk) 02:55, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

I changed it to say, "The fucking faggot... owes me $500 for breaking my goddamn hand on his teeth".

Those are the key words to me when I read it. Does that look ok to you? CTF83! 04:52, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!   Frankly, I didn't want to mess with it, but it needed to be fixed.   ~:74.60.29.141 (talk) 05:29, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome! CTF83! 11:15, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Can't find view source button to begin editing.

Hi. I have to create a simple wiki for my itec class. And for over an hour, have been looking for the view source button, but under my classroom link with my name, it just says I'm not registered. Even though, my professor told me that to begin, I should just start editing. I've never done this before and those instructions are very unclear. Please help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.160.115.41 (talk) 03:47, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Are you trying to edit a Wikipedia article, or are you trying to create your own wiki using your own install of MediaWiki software? Can you elaborate a bit on what you're trying to do? --Jayron32 04:03, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

In particular, please post a link to the page where you see your name. Here at Wikipedia most pages have an "Edit" tab and not "View source". It only says "View source" if you cannot edit the page. Anybody can create a Wikipedia account at Special:UserLogin/signup but I don't know whether your professor wants you to do that. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:39, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

AfD user error :(

I think I've made a mess of an AfD entry.

I was trying to nominate Mobiquant for deletion, and the results of step III don't look right.

I tried a 2nd time, still no joy and decided I better stop before I do any real damage.

--SimonBramfitt (talk) 04:52, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

 Fixed You just missed putting

{{subst:afd2 | pg=PageName | cat=Category | text=Why the page should be deleted}} ~~~~

at the top of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mobiquant CTF83! 04:59, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Ahhhh. Thanks. I mis-read the instructions.

SimonBramfitt (talk) 05:05, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

It's no problem! You may or may not have also missed pasting

{{subst:afd3 | pg=NominationName}}

at the top of the current log, as opposed to actually pasting {{Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mobiquant}}, I can't tell either way.

If you plan on doing a lot of AfDs, WP:TW makes it a breeze and does all the work for you! CTF83! 05:07, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

You may want to consider using the WP:TWINKLE gadget which makes many tasks, including Afd nominations, much easier. Of course it should be used with care like any other power tool, though safety glasses are not usually required.--ukexpat (talk) 14:28, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Creating article

Right in the middle of creating an article for Taliferro Music, my article was deleted. I was not even close to being done, is this typical? I had the rules up in one tab and the article up on another tab, when I went back to apply the rules, the article was deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ty Showers (talk • contribs) 08:08, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

This is not unusual. To avoid it happening again, I recommend creating the article in your sandbox. Maproom (talk) 09:51, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

The deletion log is here. User:InShaneee deleted it with comment "A7: No explanation of the subject's significance (real person, animal, organization, or web content". See WP:CSD#A7 for what that means. As Maproom says, if you create it in a sandbox, this won't happen (unless you do something really naughty, like infringing somebody's copyright). I can't see the deleted page, as I am not an administrator, but you can ask InShaneee on their talk page if they would restore the content of the deleted page to your user sandbox for you to work on. --ColinFine (talk) 11:05, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Or, as an alternative to a sandbox, use the articles for creation process. You can of course do both in sequence - sandbox then send it to AFC for review.--ukexpat (talk) 14:22, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

What links here

Is there a way to hide links from templates? For example, I want to see how much work I'd have to do to move Pirates Cove, but it lists everything on the West Marin template too. Arrrr, matey, help a poor corsair out. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:04, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Remove the template, then click "What links here" on the far left toolbox? That's all I can figure out. CTF83! 11:19, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

No, that won't work, because Clarityfiend wants to know how many links there are to the article. The short answer is not to worry too much, because moving the page will leave a redirect so nothing will be broken. The long answer is, I think, this: filtering "what links here" to templates only shows it's only used in the {{WestMarin}} template. Clicking the "transclusion count" shows that the template is used 41 times. Filtering "what links here" to article space only shows that it only has 40 incoming links from articles. So, move the page, fix the template and everything will be fine when the system finishes processing the changes. Bencherlite^Talk 11:30, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

As Bencherlite said, you can just move the page and leave a redirect behind to the new title. You'll only need to "mop up" afterwards to correct double redirects. Since there are no redirects already pointing to Pirates Cove, you won't have to do it when you move this article. James086^Talk 21:27, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

To the general question: No, there is no way to hide articles transcluding a template with the link. It has been requested many times for many years but the developers will not work on it. See for example bugzilla:1392 and bugzilla:3241. There has also been many posts about it at this help desk and elsewhere at the English Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:21, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Information about Kosova e Vushtrise

Dear All,

Bellow i am leaving some new information about the FC Kosova e Vushtrrise.

Proposed content for article

Club Background F.C. Kosova Vushtrri is founded in 1922. At that time the Football Federation did not exist so the team had to play friendly matches with other teams. After the end of Second World War, the team became the member of the Football Federation where its challenges to play in Kosovar League started. This team in season 2005/2006 played in Kosova’s Super League called Raiffeisen Superliga. In year 2009/2010 the team was positioned 11th in this league. This year the team did a re-entry in the Super League by positioning itself as 2nd in the First League enabling a direct qualification into Super League The team which has produced most of the well known players who have played not only in Kosova but abroad also has been given another chance to show its capabilities and position itself in a deserved place in Super League. Acquisition of the club Interest into acquiring F.C. Kosova Vushtrri came as result of successful privatization of Llamkos GalvaSteel by Core Group. With the acquisition of Llamkos GalvaSteel the Group showed interest into acquiring the F.C Kosova Vushtrri and further promote its goodwill and positive approach to Vushtrri as a municipality. In the beginning the team had approached Llamkos GalvaSteel several times requiring sponsorship and seeking for financial support as they were playing well in First League. With the continuous sponsorship and financial aid the idea to acquire the Club was natural, as Core Group was already supporting the Club financially. Finally in June after constant negotiations between the team and Llamkos GalvaSteel the successful acquisition of F.C. Kosova Vushtrri was done and in the meantime the was changed from KOSOVA VUSHTRRI to LLAMKOS KOSOVA FC. One of the main activities of the Core Group continues to be that of a professional football club. The Group has continued to develop the F.C Kosova Vushtrri brand and gain extra spectators with its entrance into Super League. The team who will be in charge of the Club is already appointed and has started with the direction of the club. The main team members are: - Labinot Demi, Chairman - Ismet Munishi, Sports Director Webpage: www.llamkosfc.com and www.llamkos.com

SIncerely, Labinot Demi Chairman of the Club. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.114.76.198 (talk) 10:13, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

I see you went on to edit the article KF Kosova Vushtrri and insert that material. There are three problems with this: you deleted what was already there, the material you added is unreferenced, and as the chairman you have a Conflict of interest. For this reason I have reverted your edit, but I have placed the text you added onto the talk page in case any other editor can do something useful with it. --ColinFine (talk) 12:37, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Same date releases

How should any releases (eg, music albums) released on the exact same date be listed? For example, Marcella Detroit's two upcoming albums The Vehicle and Skin I'm In are both being released on the same date (what date yet not specified). So overall, how should they be presented on her discography page?--202.159.152.14 (talk) 12:40, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

I would say alphabetically but the people at Wikipedia:WikiProject Music might have a different opinion and it might be best to check with them. Dismas|^(talk) 13:07, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

According to the discography page you linked to, The Vehicle will be her next album, with Skin I'm In coming shortly afterward. That's referenced to her Facebook page (although a quick glance there I couldn't see that info). Have you seen otherwise somewhere? Rojomoke (talk) 13:09, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

It was originally intended to be released afterwards, but she says she wants to release them on the same date now (hasn't been updated).--202.159.152.14 (talk) 13:21, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Change article title & content

Dear Wikipedia team, I want to change the title of the university page to be in English for the English version & in french for the french version. Also is there any way to edit the page, faster or to own it to avoid any misleading information?

Université Saint-Esprit de Kaslik

Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by USEKSM (talk • contribs) 13:11, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

For the second question, no. See WP:OWN. Dismas|^(talk) 13:18, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

I've moved it, but there are so many concerns raised about the page, particularly its complete lack of references, that it may not last long. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:21, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

BCE CE?

What is BCE and CE? I see Wikipedia has it in numerious articles. It looks like dates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.100.83.185 (talk) 13:27, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

See BCE and CE. They stand for Before Common Era and Common Era. They are the new-ish more politically correct versions of BC and AD. Dismas|^(talk) 13:32, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

... and see WP:ERA for guidance on which style should be used when. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:38, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Non-free file uploading problem

Resolved

I have absolutely no idea where this should go, so hopefully this is a start. I tried to upload a new version of this file, but it refused to refresh with the new image. I then got overzealous and re-tried it multiple times, upon which the new file now appears in the file history, but neither as the main image nor in the article where it is supposed to be displayed in an infobox. Could the file history be purged somehow so that all those multiple screw-ups no longer appear, as well as getting the new image to show up? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 15:00, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

The data center is undergoing a move (and maintenance?) and that has given rise to some delays in images refreshing. I see the new version in the article. Try bypassing your browser cache and a server purge.--ukexpat (talk) 15:50, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

I just uploaded the file under a new name and inserted it into the article. The old image displaying was most likely due to the server cache not updating, even if you tell it to purge, because of the server migration Ukexpat mentioned. I deleted the old file. James086^Talk 21:22, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

About the Bnei Menashe.

Bnei Menashe (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I'm a Bnei Menashe living in Israel. I once posted a message in the TALK section of the wikipedia entry on the Bnei Menashe reagarding Challianthanga's vision. I think it is an information which is misleading everyone. I used to live in Manipur before making an Aliyah to Israel and I can tell you that in Manipur, Challianthanga and his vision were never heard of. And also most of the Bnei Menashe who are practicing Judaism live in Manipur and not in Mizoram. A prophet and a man by the name of Challianthanga was and is never heard of in Manipur. It wasn't the work of any prophet nor the vision of anyone but the coming of Christianity which make us realized that we're indeed one of the lost tribe of Israel. Christianity bring to us the Bible through which we came to know the source of all our customs,cultural, tradition and religious practice which our forefathers were practicing for thousands of years. So if Wikipedia stand for an information which is based on truth, I personally think that a correction must be made on the Article about the Bnei Menashe here in Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yosm (talk • contribs) 16:08, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source to support any of this? Please note that personal recollections and knowledge are not reliable for Wikipedia purposes.--ukexpat (talk) 16:27, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Complaint!!!

Please can you advise me, that when you click on Wikipedia Foie Gras, theres a pic of a dish/recipe.

Foie gras

i am disgusted that you promote this, Foie Gras is a vile cruel food and you are giving anyone looking to see what it is, the wrong idea

Hopefully this will be banned one day!!

Regards

Fiona Munro — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.88.132.2 (talk) 19:26, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Whether or not something is vile does not determine whether it should be on Wikipedia. For example, there is a page about The Holocaust. In addition, there is also a separate page about the entire issue about Foie Gras at Foie gras controversy, perhaps that may answer any questions you may have.Naraht (talk) 19:34, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Having an article is not the same thing as promoting a topic. --Onorem♠Dil 19:36, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm a vegetarian, but I dare say that Wikipedia attempts to provide factual information without censoring the truth. Shall we delete pages on serial killers too? Hitler? Just because something is offensive, even to a majority of people, it's childish to pretend it doesn't exist. Grow up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.142.12 (talk) 19:40, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

There are many pictures and articles on Wikipedia that may be objectionable to some people, but Wikipedia is not censored.--ukexpat (talk) 19:41, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Cannot Retrieve/Reset Password

Resolved

I have requested a password retrieval to be sent to my registered email, but none has been sent. It only allows one such reset every 24 hours and I've been requesting it for a few days now. It was not filtered into my email spam. Can anyone advise on this? Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.142.12 (talk) 19:32, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Resolved. Please disregard. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris Lawless (talk • contribs) 19:45, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Good to hear!--ukexpat (talk) 19:50, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Gray toolbar.

I noticed when I am on my user page, I can use this one gray toolbar off to the side, but on many other pages, it won't work. Is it possible to use this bar on all pages, and why can't I see it on some pages I go to? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scientific Alan 2 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

What is the name of the tool or toolbar? It may not work on protected pages if that is where you don't see it.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:00, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

The toolbar is shown here. So why can't I see it on some pages? They were unprotected ones, too. Like the page on potassium permanganate. Scientific Alan 2 (talk) 21:11, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

The curation toolbar is available for pages in Special:NewPagesFeed. - David Biddulph (talk) 21:30, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Foundation for Defense of Democracies

The article Foundation for Defense of Democracies seems unfairly edited and is clearly not a NPOV. Any attempts to contribute positive descriptions of the organization are quickly removed. How can this page be made neutral?Liberty20036 (talk) 23:41, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Use the article's talk page to reach a consensus. Don't engage in an edit war. If you're having trouble, follow the guidance at WP:DR RudolfRed (talk) 23:46, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes. Given that you recently blanked multiple sections of the article, with no explanation whatsoever, [2], and had earlier edit-warred to restore entirely inappropriate material such as a 'testimonials' section, [3] one might well ask what your definition of NPOV actually is. Do you have any connection with the Foundation? AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:51, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

• Andy the Grump makes some great points here. It would be helpful if the user, a WP:SPA, would resolve any WP:COI and/or WP:OWN issues regarding the article. Once these are out in the open, we can move forward. It is permissible to edit with a WP:COI, but the personal connection to the material should be made explicit, and WP:EDITWAR always avoided. Thank you. Qworty (talk) 02:30, 24 January 2013 (UTC)