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August 7

Making major changes to articles by copying them into the Special namespace

Hi, I remember reading somewhere (possibly on some project page) that for creating/rewriting entire pages there's some functionality for starting a page in the special namespace and migrating it into the regular namespace once it's complete. Unfortunately I've lost track of where I saw this, and can't seem to find any reference to it anymore. How do I do this? Thanks! Ouroborosglyx ^{ping me?} 12:53, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Quotes from foreign languages

How do we embed quotes from a foreign languages into the articles? How does it look like with translations? Any examples? SkywalkerPL (talk) 08:45, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Why is the RFA process broken?

It looks to me like it works pretty fine. But everyone states it is a completely broken process, but pretty much every RFA I've seen has been accepted because the potential admin is a very good choice, and the one that have been rejected have been rejected because they are incredibly new or probably can't be trusted. Somebody explain why the process doesn't work? Grognard 123chess456 (talk) 03:24, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

@123chess456: because a minority of users choose to use it as a battleground to add nothing constructive or useful to the process? Although less of it goes on nowadays, the RfA process tends to overanalyse past contributions, as opposed to how they would be sutable as an admin (IMO). --Mdann52talk to me! 08:26, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Past contributions indicate future performance. Doesn't seem broken to me! Grognard 123chess456 (talk) 08:33, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Sometimes. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:07, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Behaviors can change over time, so what might have been true two years ago as far as editing history may not be true 'today', so holding a candidate's past history against them is somewhat wrong, IMHO - unless they have not shown a change in that history at the time that they go through an RFA.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 02:40, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Daily Mail and General Trust

I think this is about Daily Mail and General Trust (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Maproom (talk) 10:44, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Extended content

Please can someone make the following corrections to the DMGT company page? I have noted the errors in bold and added the source that corobborates the amendment underneath. Daily Mail and General Trust plc is a British media conglomerate, and one of the largest in Europe. In the UK, it has interests in national and regional newspapers, television and radio. DMGT doesn’t own any regional newspapers as it sold Northcliffe Newspapers in 2013. http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/dmgt-sells-northcliffe-regional-press-empire-local-world-£525m-and-retains-minority-stake http://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/nov/21/trinity-mirror-buy-20-percent-local-world DMGT doesn’t own any television businesses, it has a minority stake in ITN. DMGT has sold its radio business in Australia and does not have any radio businesses in the UK The company has extensive activities based outside the UK, through DMG World Media and DMG Information. dmg world media is now called dmg events We also have international businesses thorough our two other operating divisions RMS and Euromoney Its biggest markets apart from the UK are in the United States, Central Europe, the Middle East, India and Australia.[3] We have sold our businesses in Central Europe http://www.digitallook.com/news/rns/20515990-10034/DMGT-Preliminary_Results_2011_12_html It is listed on the London Stock Exchange.[4] Jonathan Harmsworth, 4th Viscount Rothermere is the chairman and controlling shareholder of the company.[5] The head office is located in the Northcliffe House in Kensington, London Borough of Kensington and Chelsea. History[edit]The group can trace its origins back to launch of the mid market national newspaper the Daily Mail by Harold Harmsworth, 1st Viscount Rothermere and his elder brother, Alfred Harmsworth, 1st Viscount Northcliffe, in 1896.[6] It was incorporated in 1922 and its shares were first listed on the London Stock Exchange in 1932. Harmsworth, who had been elevated to the peerage as Lord Rothermere, was editorially sympathetic to Oswald Mosley[6] and the British Union of Fascists and he wrote an article, "Hurrah for the Blackshirts", in January 1934.[7] Referring to Adolf Hitler's proposed invasion of Czechoslovakia, Rothermere, again writing in the Daily Mail, said in 1938 that "Czechs were of no concern to Englishmen".[8] After almost 100 years in Fleet Street, the company left its original premises of New Carmelite House in Fleet Street in 1988 to move to Northcliffe House in Kensington. At the same time as the newspapers moved to Kensington, the printing operation for Southern England moved four miles (6 km) away to Surrey Quays. This state-of-the-art printing centre was opened on an 11-acre (45,000 m2) site at Rotherhithe in the London Docklands in 1989.[9] DMGT has sold this site and now has 2 presses in Didcot and Thurrock. http://www.cityam.com/article/dmgt-sells-its-print-works-site-british-land In mid-2006, the company sold Studygroup, a subsidiary of DMG Information, to CHAMP, an Australian-based private equity group.[10] In November 2012 the company sold Northcliffe Media to Local World.[11] Divisions[edit]DMG Media[edit]Further information: DMG Media DMG Media is the national newspaper arm and website publisher of DMGT and publishes the following titles Daily Mail – The main national newspaper owned by DMG Media. It sells more than two million copies per issue, giving it one of the largest circulations of any English language daily newspaper, and the twelfth highest of any newspaper in the world. The Mail on Sunday – The sister paper of the Daily Mail, published weekly on Sundays. First published in 1982. Ireland on Sunday – Associated Newspapers took over the publishing of Ireland on Sunday in 2001. The title was re-launched in April 2002 to coincide with the move to its new offices in Ballsbridge, Dublin. It included TV Week magazine and in September 2006 it was merged with the Mail on Sunday and became the Irish Mail on Sunday. Mail Today – A 48-page compact size newspaper launched in India on 16 November 2007 that is printed in Delhi, Gurgaon and Noida with a print run of 110,000 copies. Based around a subscription model, the newspaper has the same fonts and feel as the Daily Mail and was set up with investment from Associated Newspapers and editorial assistance from the Daily Mail newsroom.[12] Indian foreign media ownership laws restrict holdings to 26 percent. Metro – Metro is the UK’s only urban national newspaper. Launched in March 1999 as a free, stapled newspaper, it was distributed initially in London. But since has been published every weekday morning, around Yorkshire, the North West, Newcastle and the North East, the East Midlands, Bristol, Birmingham, Liverpool, Cardiff and Scotland. Metro’s readership is 2.2 million (NRS June 2007), with over 1.3 million copies printed. The London Evening Standard, in modern times the dominant paid-for London-area local newspaper, was owned by Associated until it was sold to Alexander Lebedev in January 2009. Since then it has been made free as of October 2009. Associated News still maintains a minority share. A team at Surrey Quays co-ordinates the daily printing requirement for newspapers at contract sites in Belfast, Bradford, Bristol, Didcot, Dundee, Glasgow, Newcastle, Plymouth, Southampton, Stoke, and Trafford Park, and abroad in Madrid, Orlando and Tenerife, and magazines with Quebecor and Polestar Group mainly at Corby and Watford. DMG Media's consumer brand portfolio also includes the recruitment and job search engines Evenbase, Jobsite and Jobrapido.[13] DMGT has announced the sale of its digital recruitment businesses http://www.recruiter.co.uk/news/2014/05/stepstone-acquires-jobsite-as-dmgt-exits-digital-recruitment-market/ DMG Broadcasting[edit]DMG Broadcasting is DMGT's UK media subsidiary, owning a number of media companies radio, television, film and interactive companies. DMGT no longer has the DMG Broadcasting division but we maintains our 20% stake in ITN. DMG Broadcasting owns a 20% stake in ITN (Independent Television News).[14] On 2 April 2007 ITN signed a deal which superseded the existing contract, worth at least £42m per year. ITV, which owns 40% of ITN, is investing more than £15m to upgrade ITN's newsroom as part of the deal. DMG also owns 50% of Greenland Interactive, an interactive media and marketing solutions company offering services to agencies, brands, publishers and broadcasters. It is one of the United Kingdom's top five providers of premium rate interactive voice response (IVR) lines, enabling its customers to deliver a range of interactive services such as voting, competitions, and information and entertainment lines.[15] Established in 1994 Greenland is one of the most experienced companies in the industry with knowledge and experience of successful interactive marketing campaigns. DMGT has sold the stake in Greenland Interactive. http://winghavenpartners.com/index_files/Page1389.htm The television stations operated by DMG are part of Harmsworth TV. Former channels include: Channel One TV (–2003) and Performance Channel (1985–2008). DMGT no longer has the Harmsworth TV division. DMG Events (formerly DMG World Media)[edit]dmg :: events was founded in 1989 and now manages over 80 events in up to 25 countries each year. Headquartered in Stamford, Connecticut, it is currently active in North America, the Middle East, North Africa, Europe, Asia, and Australia, employing over 300 staff. DMG Information[edit]DMG Information invests in business to business information-driven companies. It aims to invest in high-growth businesses offering information to niche markets. DMG Information is headquartered in the US, with its main office in Connecticut and other offices in California and Massachusetts. Foremost amongst these are Landmark Information Group, Risk Management Solutions Risk Management Solutions (RMS) is a stand alone operating business and not part of dmg information http://www.dmgt.com/companies and Environmental Data Resources. In 2006 DMG Information bought Genscape, a US company that supplies information on the energy market for $196m (£110m).[16] Genscape is the market-leading provider of real-time energy generation and transmission information to the energy trading markets in North America and Europe. The company has more than 130 customers, including utilities, investment banks, energy traders and hedge funds. It also has operations in the UK, Australia, France, Germany and India. Euromoney Institutional Investor[edit]Further information: Euromoney Institutional Investor PLC Euromoney Institutional Investor plc is the market leader on international financial publishing and event organisation. It's one of Europe's largest business and financial magazine publishers. The company, 70% owned by the Daily Mail and General Trust Group, was founded in 1969. The company owns close to 100 international specialist magazines in finance, energy, aviation, pharmaceuticals and law. Euromoney trains international bankers and securities specialists around the world, runs international conferences, and is very strong in electronic publishing. With offices worldwide, its shares are listed in London and Luxembourg. RMS[edit]Risk Management Solutions (RMS), a catastrophe risk modelling company, is a subsidiary of the DMGT group.[17] Asia Risk Centre (ARC)[edit]Asia Risk Centre[18] is a subsidiary of DMGT group and an affiliate of RMS.[19] It's mainly focuses on catastrophe modelling and risk analytic tools, advisory services and software products for Asian agriculture sector, food security and property risks in the micro insurance domain. UK NARIC[edit]The National Academic Recognition Information Centre for the United Kingdom. DMGT owns a minority share.[20] A&N International Media[edit]A&N International Media is the Central and Eastern European multimedia arm of the conglomerate. As above we have sold this Head office[edit] Northcliffe House, DMGT headquartersThe head office is located in the Northcliffe House in Kensington, London Borough of Kensington and Chelsea.[21][22] In addition to housing the DMGT head office, the building also houses the offices of The Independent series, Daily Mail, Mail on Sunday, Evening Standard, and Metro.[22] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.234.243.2 (talk • contribs) 10:26, 7 August 2014‎

Requested edits normally go on the talk page of the article to which the request relates. I have collapsed the request here and removed the template and moved the request to the article talk page. SpinningSpark 00:20, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Photo Upload

Hi There.

I would like to find out who uploaded the main image on this article. I would be interested to see if this is my dog? This dog looks exactly like mine even has the same white marking on the chest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Africanis

Kindest regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.227.222.114 (talk) 10:33, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

The page for the image is here. It says "Taken by Rudolph Botha, 2005/12/04, Pretoria, South Africa. ... 28 June 2007 (original upload date)". Maproom (talk) 10:37, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Or maybe this one, with a lot of white on the chest. The image page says "Canis Africanis photographed nearby Graaff-reinet ... 23 June 2008". Maproom (talk) 10:42, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

How to read page reviews

I've received notifications that a couple of the articles on my Watchlist have been 'reviewed'. How can I read the review/see the outcome of it? Thanks pear 11:22, 7 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pear285 (talk • contribs)

I don't think this notification applies to formal, written reviews (as in Wikipedia:Peer review or Wikipedia:Articles for creation). Rather I think "reviewing" in this context just means the article has been checked by Wikipedia:New pages patrol or perhaps Wikipedia:Pending changes#Reviewing pending edits. All it means in this context is that an experienced editor's eyeballs have been on the article, and it checked out. I could be wrong, but that's what I remember it meaning. --Jayron32 12:12, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Previewing references

Hello,

Is there a simple way to automatically view references in "preview" mode. My current method is to add "{{reflist}}" temporarily to the code while previewing; but this gets messy if I forget to delete it before saving!

Thanks! --Zfish118 (talk) 13:15, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

That is currently the only way to do it. But use {{reflistp}} as it only shows in preview mode and it is tracked in a category for later cleanup. There is a feature request for this on Bugzilla: T7984. --  Gadget850 ^talk 15:10, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, another way is to edit the whole article rather than an individual section, so that the new reference(s) will show up in the article's existing References section when one previews. I realize that doing so can be bothersome when editing a long article, but I sometimes do this to avoid the problem of forgetting to remove an ad hoc {{reflist}}. Deor (talk) 16:37, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. The concept behind Reflistp is exactly the kind of workaround I was looking for if no feature or gadget could produce this functionality. I had resorted to editing the whole page to preview, but that was generally not practical for editing tiny, one-space mistakes in very long articles. --Zfish118 (talk) 17:52, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Emails

Not sure this is the right place for this question. If another editor and I preferred to have some exchanges on Wikipedia work via email rather than on our Talk pages – not for meatpuppeting purposes! – how can this be done without revealing each other's real names and email addresses? In other words, does the email facility on Wikipedia protect privacy and not reveal information about one's name and email address to anyone? --P123ct1 (talk) 15:30, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

You could send emails to each other via Wikipedia, but your email address will be revealed so that the recipient can reply to you. If protecting privacy is a primary concern I would recommend communicating via the WP Talk pages. More information is available at Wikipedia:Emailing users#Privacy. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 15:59, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

See WP:EMAIL for more detail, if you've not already found it. CaptRik (talk) 16:03, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

My Wikipedia email goes to a separate email address that I created just for Wikipedia. You could do the same. In the real name field of whatever account you use, simply use your username here. There are a bunch of free email services. I happen to use Gmail and my Wikipedia email gets checked at the same time as the rest of the email. Dismas|^(talk) 17:43, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

How can I tell people on Wikipedia that I'm taking a break from it?

Because of the violations I made; I think taking a break is a good idea. Venustar84 (talk) 16:28, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Wikibreak--S Philbrick(Talk) 16:33, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I heard about it here, so that also works. I don't think we've met, but have a nice vacation! InedibleHulk (talk) 16:38, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

'User' ID: Does someone else perhaps have what I thought is my unique account name? How can I tell?

I try to log in but have forgotten my password. My 'account name' / 'user ID' appears still to exist; however, when I request an emailed 'reset' nothing appears in the inbox.

Since my email address hasn't changed, what springs to mind is that perhaps 'I' am no longer 'me' ...? (I'm pretty sure I have inscribed the correct personal account name.) So, might someone else now be using 'my' account? Aarrgh! This has the potential to become (or maybe it already is) an existential dilemma. Thanks for - anyone's - help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.66.92.141 (talk) 17:50, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

If you have forgotten the password then an account hijacking is not likely but at Special:Contributions you can see whether the account has made edits you didn't make. Mails often get lost in spam folders or elsewhere. Try checking for a spam folder in your mail software or on your mail providers web interface, or change spam settings and request a new mail. If you cannot receive a password mail and don't remember the password then you have to create a new account. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:24, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Palm Beach Outlets

I am the marketing Director for the Palm Beach Outlets. I would like to change the name of the page back to Palm Beach Mall as the current page is generating an additional facebook page. Can you please advise how to do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pamrada (talk • contribs) 18:28, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Pamrada. If "Palm Beach Outlets" is the correct current name of the company we cannot change the article title. The problem is with Facebook, not Wikipedia so you will need to contact them to resolve the problem. Please also note that Wikipedia is not at all interested in being part of any marketing plan, strategy or activity. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:32, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Message to IP editor

I got a notice on wikipedia (I didn't even know I had an inbox there) while searching a page saying "I noticed that you made an edit to a biography of a living person, but that you didn’t support your changes with a citation to a reliable source. Wikipedia has a strict policy concerning how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you" it was time stamped 19 October 2012. I've never edited any page on wikipedia. What's going on? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.30.255.129 (talk) 18:32, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

What's going on is that in October 2012, someone using the IP address 70.30.255.129 made an edit that needed to be corrected, and a message was left on that user's talk page, User talk:70.30.255.129. Now you are using that same IP address, and you became aware of the message. To avoid this happening again, you can register an account (see the "Create account" link near the top right of most pages). If you create an account and always log in to it, you won't get sent messages about some other person's actions. Also, other users won't be able to deduce from the IP address what part of the world you are in; you may value that anonymity. Maproom (talk) 19:24, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I am trying to get the article on Xploration Nation - TV Shows changed to Xploration Station

I work for Steve Rotfeld Productions and we produce the 2 hour block called Xploration Station. About 6 months ago we changed the nae to Xploration Station from Xploration Nation. I don't know how all this works on Wikipedi, but I tried changing it and pissed your editors off. All I need is the article to be correct and represnt our TV show correctly. You can look on our new improved website for confirmation of the name change and see all our social media links refer you to all the Xploration Station pages. www.rotfeldproductions.com.

Can someone help me change your site to reflect the name change? If so Thank you so much

Matt — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjay931979 (talk • contribs) 20:02, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

First, the technical point, most changes to articles are done by editing the text, but the title is a special case, which is changed by moving. I see a request for a move, but it was turned down. (I don't see any signs that anyone was annoyed, it is a very common situation.)

If you can supply some reliable source showing that the change has occurred (not planned to occur but had happened) it will be easy for someone to move it to the correct title. If you provide it here, I'll do it.--S Philbrick(Talk) 20:45, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, missed that you did supply some evidence. I've moved it.--S Philbrick(Talk) 20:49, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Syncing Saved Pages

Hi Wikipedia, I Have a Log In Account for both iPhone,ipad and my Android but I cannot see same saved items on all devices even when I synced? What did I miss? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alkalidodo (talk • contribs) 22:11, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Is this question related to using Wikipedia? If not this is an inappropriate forum. You could try the reference desk. SpinningSpark 00:41, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Image with caption to the side?

Is that possible?  I tried an image with caption in a {{quote box}} on the bottom (as seen here), but this spoils the page layout.  The current solution is really just a workaround and has some problems, such as the pull-quote not conforming to MoS. (as seen here).   Any suggestions?   —E:71.20.250.51 (talk) 22:11, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

You could achieve that with a table but it sounds like a bad idea to me to place the caption to the side. SpinningSpark 00:46, 8 August 2014 (UTC)