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Disambiguation page

Hi there. I don't have much experience with disambiguation pages and I'm hoping you can help. I created the article "three-way bridge", and in the article I discussed both "T-bridges" and "Y-Bridges". I also noticed a disambiguation page called "Y-Bridge". I'd like to let anyone who arrives at the "Y-Bridge" disambiguation page know about the article I created, because that may be what they're looking for. I don't think adding the article I wrote to a "see also" is the way. Should I add a hatnote? Or just leave it. Any help you can give would be appreciated. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 00:06, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

In this case, just add to the list on Y-Bridge with something like "Three-way bridges, often referred to as Y-Bridges". That should be fine! Samwalton9 (talk) 00:17, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

But Y-Bridges and three-way bridges are the same thing, and the two pages list similar sets of such bridges. My view is that Magnolia677's article should be kept much as it is, and that the dab page Y-Bridge should be replaced by a redirect to it. Maproom (talk) 09:14, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

I thought that too when I first saw the DAB page, except there are two bridges listed on the DAB page that really aren't three-way bridges (one is just called the Y-Bridge but is just a highway). Thanks again for your excellent help. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:51, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Infobox award

If you look at the articles for the various Academy Awards (for example, Academy Award for Best Production Design), on the top right there is an infobox. This content, apparently, is placed into the article by typing {{Infobox award}}, along with its parameters. If I want to edit that infobox, where exactly do I find it? I did a bunch of searches, none successful. I am asking about how I can edit the "generic" template for this infobox (such that it impacts all articles employing that infobox). I am not asking about editing the specific content of one infobox in one specific article. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:15, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Joseph. If you look at the documentation page for Template:Infobox award, you can see all the possible fields available in that infobox. In the Academy Award for Best Production Design article, for example, five fields are filled out and you could add more by adding something like | sponsor = Some company within the curly brackets :) Samwalton9 (talk) 00:20, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi. We had an edit conflict, while I was revising my question to clarify what I was asking. My question was ambiguous at first. Please help me with my revised question. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:26, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Ahh ok. If you wanted to do that you would edit the template directly. This is not advisable, however, unless you are experienced with template editing as it's easy to mess up many articles in one edit! If you think a change needs making the best idea would be to post on the template's talk page suggesting the change and explaining why. Samwalton9 (talk) 00:34, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

OK, thanks. For more specific information about this issue, you can see this page: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film#Infobox for Academy Awards. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:40, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Referencing errors on File:MalikJ.jpg

Reference help requested. please remove error in the referencing. I am not getting how to do. Thanks, Whitepearl1 (talk) 06:31, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

I have removed the error message, by adding "{{reflist}}" to the foot of the page. But the whole reference ought be be removed, because

1. File pages do not normally have references, they aren't like articles, designed to be read by users rather than editors.
2. References to Wikipedia are not acceptable, it does not regard itself as a reliable source.

I wonder if what you were trying to do would be achieved by adding a simple link instead. Maproom (talk) 09:24, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

I now realise that what you were trying to do is to create a highly-promotional "article" about yourself in your own user page. Maproom (talk) 09:31, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) This seems to relate to your userpage, where you have created a draft biographical article which includes a copy of the image in question. Leaving aside the image question for a second, the material on your userpage has several serious problems. It looks like an article and includes category templates, which are not appropriate in the user namespace. It should either be moved to mainspace or to a user sandbox, minus the category templates and preferably marked with a {{Userspace draft}} template, otherwise it could legitimately be regarded as a WP:FAKEARTICLE and nominated for deletion. Unfortunately the draft as it stands is highly unsuitable for mainspace. It is full of promotional language and peacock terms; many of the references (bare URLs) don't work for me, and those that do don't really serve to assert this person's notability according to the Wikipedia definition. Is this draft article about you or someone you know? If so, please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY and WP:COI. I will move the draft into a user sandbox for you if you wish, because it may be possible to demonstrate this individual's notability with better references.. As for the image file, I'm trying to work out why there are copies at both Wikimedia Commons and Wikipedia. You seem to have removed the "unlicensed" tag, but not yet given details of the license under which the image has been released. Unfortunately I don't have much time to sort this out at the moment; maybe another user can pitch in and help regularise the image page(s) at least, retagging if necessary until the license issue is resolved. -Karenjc (talk) 09:41, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

I can now see that you have already have a duplicate of your draft at User:Whitepearl1/sandbox and you seem to be under the impression that you have submitted a draft for review (Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#Review_of_Malik_Muhammad_Jahangir.2FWhitepearl1). You haven't, and for the reasons given above it would be rejected if you did. - Karenjc (talk) 10:29, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

narayana naagha

narayana naagha potos — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.228.29.68 (talk) 09:08, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Do you have a particular request? Is it something about photos of M. S. Narayana in connection with the film Naaga? -- Jreferee (talk) 20:34, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Reference help

Dear KarenjecUser_talk:Karenjc

I was trying to create a promotional "article/autobiography" on my user page. The autobiography is of my cousin. I am first time user here and its been over a month since I have been struggling to upload it. I truly dont know how to use terms and whatever but I tried my best.Since a layperson so might jpg files etc also got copied. Like a blank person I am making effort and infact many times wrote to wikipedia for help. Please review my article and give me a success. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whitepearl1 (talk • contribs) 12:00, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Whitepearl1. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia. It does not accept any promotional material. All content must be neutral and factual in tone and supported by citations to reliable sources. You are strongly discouraged from writing about your cousin on Wikipedia because you have a conflict of interest and are likely to find it difficult to write a neutral article about him. Your draft demonstrates this, because it is full of non-neutral language: He has proved his skills ..., [He] is proud father of four kids; he has been leading as one of the top most rice exporter from Pakistan whose professional competence and outstanding skills is well acknowledged throughout the world.;For more than two decades he has been a leading industrialist and prominent businessman ... Amongst his marvelous achievements ... These are just a few examples of the unsupported claims and unencyclopaedic language in your draft - this sort of writing belongs in a marketing brochure, not Wikipedia. I understand how confusing Wikipedia can be for a new user, but at the moment your material would need to be completely rewritten before it has any chance of being published here, and you need to find some much better sources that prove your cousin's notability. My advice is: (1) put {{db-author}} at the top of your userpage to get it deleted, and focus on the version in your sandbox. If you don't do this, your userpage will almost certainly be deleted soon as a fake article. (2) Read Wikipedia:Your first article and the other guidance you have been linked to, and decide whether you are capable of writing an article about this man that complies with Wikipedia guidelines on neutrality and notability. (3) if you decide to go ahead, work on the article in your sandbox and, when you are ready, submit it using the article wizard. Ask for help again if you have trouble doing this. - Karenjc (talk) 12:37, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Reference help continued

User_talk:Karenjc

Dear Karenjc, it is not a promotional piece. It is autobiography.check Malik_Muhammad_Asif it is autobiography of other brother. When it is online then why not of any other businessman. Please guide me. I am also writing for newspapers but wikipedia is confusing for me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whitepearl1 (talk • contribs) 13:11, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Whitepearl 1. Please respond to comments in the same section, of the page, rather than starting a new section each time, to avoid confusion. Thank you for pointing out Malik Muhammad Asif. That article also suffers from promotional language and WP:PEACOCK terms, and requires cleanup and checking for neutrality. I will tag it accordingly. it is irrelevant to this discussion because WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid argument for including anything in Wikipedia. I repeat that the draft in your sandbox is full of promotional and non-neutral language: I have given you examples of the problem sentences above. It is also insufficiently unsupported by references to demonstrate how the subject is notable by Wikipedia standards. He may well be - but you have to say why and show how. It is by definition not an "autobiography" unless the subject wrote it himself, in which case there is an even greater conflict of interest involved. it is currently not an encyclopaedia article - it is a puff piece and unless it is improved there is no point asking for it to be moved into mainspace. "Why not of any other businessman"? Because Wikipedia is not a listings site for business people, Unless they meet the notability criteria for people, people don't warrant an article here, and even if they do, the article must conform to our rules on neutrality. I don't see what more I can tell you. -Karenjc (talk) 14:53, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

I have done some cleanup on Malik Muhammad Asif. In particular I have removed the worst of the peacock terms, rewritten a section that was a word-for-word copyright violation of the source website to which it was cited, and converted the bare URLs to proper inline citations. However, it is still in need of better sources to support the claims it makes for the subject's notability, because the existing sources are almost all primary (websites of the organisations for which he works). If you look at the article's edit history you will see what has been done - it may help you understand what the problems are with your own draft. User:DESiegel has now tagged the article for maintenance! explaining what else needs to be done to make it acceptable. - Karenjc (talk) 18:13, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Adding Harvard ref citations to footnotes

I want to add the same Harvard ref citations as in the body of an article to a few footnotes in the article. Unfortunately the usual {{sfnp}} doesn't work in footnotes. What coding should I use instead? Or should I just do (See author year)?Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 24 Shevat 5774 13:20, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

you want to add footnotes to the footnotes? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:27, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I was going to write that for humour's sake, but I was worried everything might be lost if my phone refreshed so I kept it things to a bare-minimum. Here is the work in question. See, some of the notes require citation in and of themselves as they might not be aparent without extensive foreknowledge of archaeology or related fields for the subject in question.Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 24 Shevat 5774 17:36, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

@Flinders Petrie: Have you tried this? Wikipedia:NOTES#Footnotes:_embedding_references -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:06, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I was able to jury-rig a solution! {{refn|group=note|Tel Kabri, as the name suggests is a [[tel]], a type of mound found from the [[Balkans]] to the [[Punjab region|Punjab]] that is created as a result of the destruction of mudbrick from repeated different periods of occupation of a site.<ref>[[#CITEREFCline2009|Cline (2009)]], pp. 21-22</ref>}} haha! Thanks!Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 24 Shevat 5774 20:19, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Town of Cutler Bay

The Town of Cutler Bay was never known historically as Cutler Ridge, that is a community name, not a former municipality.The town's boundaries are comprised of Whispering Pines, Saga Bay, Bel Aire, and Lakes by the Bay. The name Cutler Bay was voted on by the electorate. They chose "Cutler" for one of the founders of the area of Off Old Cutler, Dr. Cutler, and "Bay" for the town's eastern boundary, Biscayne Bay. site check history of incorporation in 2005 Town Hall— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sparky31 (talk • contribs)

are you talking about Cutler Bay, Florida?

for a recent and fairly significant issue of a town being create/incorporated there is surprisingly little published about it, even in the local Herald, although it seems that they have redone their site in the past few years and may have done so in a way that confounds search engines. The lead of the article now reflects what i have found in a published source. If you have access to other reliable sources that can provide more detail , you can fix the article yourself or place the sources on the talk page and ask for another editor to incorporate them, or ping me on my talk page. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:00, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

update: it appears that @Jreferee: has better googlefu than I do and has added more detail to the history section. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:32, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Editing dead link

It is my pleasure and the broad ambition goal of Wikipedia to provide a reliable, authentic information to readers. To improve the reliability of articles in Wikipedia, a good chance is provided to those who are well versed with specific subject so that they improve the quality of article with authentic information. In the same regard i also pledged to do a little contribution for the betterment. But unfortunately i encountered with a problem. I tried to edit a dead link with a good source of information by putting a new live link,after saving the edit link it was shown. But after 1 day of the work this link was no more available on the Wikipedia page and same dead link has come up again. Now my request is how to replace these dead links with live links and after editing dead links with fresh links, why they are not displayed in the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Javeedamin (talk • contribs) 15:03, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

It really does help if you tell us which article you are talking about. I assume you are talking about Windows Task Manager? Arjayay (talk) 15:41, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Look over Wikipedia:External links and post in this thread why you think Wikipedia:External links supports adding a link to mobilegeeknaut.com in the Windows Task Manager article. -- Jreferee (talk) 17:05, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

If you replace an inline reference without changing the existing article text then the replacement should back up that text. The reference you replaced in [1] was after the sentence "Prior to Windows XP, process names longer than 15 characters in length are truncated." Your replacement [2] says nothing about that. In fact, your reference is about a process which isn't mentioned in the article at all. The author is Javeed Ahmad. Considering your user name I suspect you have a conflict of interest so please use {{request edit}} to make suggetions on the talk page instead of editing the article yourself. See also Wikipedia:External links#Advertising and conflicts of interest. Your link has been removed for the third time. Details of a single process dwm.exe not mentioned in the article appears of low relevance. It seems much more relevant to Desktop Window Manager but again, please make suggestions on the talk page. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:11, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Martinique

This regarding an article that you put on MARTINIQUE. I am from this country and some of your informations are wrong. Serge Letchimy is not the president of this island, he is onlly the mayor of Fort de France, and also the population is not 412.000 like you said, but 392.000 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.161.10 (talk) 15:29, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

I have removed Serge Letchimy from the infobox - he is the member of the National Assembly of France for Martinique. I think the problem may be that the article uses "info-box French Region" which on the edit page has a space for "leader" which on the article page appears as "President".
As for the population being 412.000 I cannot see that anywhere in the article at all. The number used, three times in the article, is 390,371, which is sourced to the French Government INSEE statistics. Arjayay (talk) 15:55, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

"President" in the infobox in [3] links to President of the Regional Council and that is indeed Serge Letchimy as the official site shows.[4] "Overseas region of France" is in the heading of the infobox so I don't see a good reason to remove the president, unless he has a minor role compared to other politicians and it would confuse readers to put him in the infobox. Regarding your 412.000 figure:

Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:42, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

You are, of course, quite right with your explanation that "President" links to "President of the Regional Council". In a mainland French region, that would probably be more evident. I think the problem is that, as an Island in the Caribbean, the term "President" is easily mis-construed to mean exactly what it says, as the IP who started this thread obviously did, whilst it is the last role mentioned in our article on Serge Letchimy. Is it worth asking for the infobox to be amended, so it is clearer what it means? or do others not see this confusion? - Arjayay (talk) 17:29, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Martinique is a French overseas region and not a country. All French regions have a President and this is the title displayed in other regions. Brevity is valued in infoboxes but I have added an optional leader_title to {{Infobox French region}} (it was already in the documentation but not implemented), and used it in Martinique to display President of the Regional Council without a piped link. I don't know the common terminology of Martinique and will not object if somebody else reverts it. The IP geolocates to New York, called Martinique a country and didn't know the President, so I don't know how well-informed they are of the politics of Martinique. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:39, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks - I think that fully resolves any possible misunderstanding.
WP material is increasingly seen via other websites, and I think we need to consider the implications of this. Our content is misunderstood by juxtaposition, as with the (probable) Google problem above, whilst many re-use sites do not allow the reader to click links, to find any such explanations. - Arjayay (talk) 19:57, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

showing differences by hovering on "diff"

OK, so clicking on "diff" shows the differences between edits. Until recently, I could display the difference merely by hovering with the mouse over the word "diff", but since I tried the Beta, then uninstalled it (not happy with narrow page width) this useful hover feature has gone. How can I restore it? Hogyn Lleol (talk) 18:38, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Which operating system, browser and skin (see Preferences, Appearance) are you using? - Arjayay (talk) 19:10, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

You possibly had popups gudget enabled in the past. Ruslik_Zero 19:18, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Aha, yes it was the popups gadget setting. Many thanks. Thank you (Rather annoying that when I undid the Beta I lost a number of former settings.) Hogyn Lleol (talk) 20:31, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Easy math-mode

I write articles with lots of math formulas, and it is very cumbersome to write <math>...</math> all the time. Is there an easier way to go into math mode? For example, is it possible to use the LaTeX syntax "$...$", and have a bot replace the $ symbols with <math>...</math>? --Erel Segal (talk) 22:11, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

The editing interface varies with settings and browser but do you have a drop-down box below the edit box where you can select "Math and logic"? There you can click "<math></math>" and various math symbols. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:02, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Found it, thanks! −−Erel Segal (talk) 16:02, 26 January 2014 (UTC)