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September 1

Request for Extension

Hi

I am new to Wikepedia and need time to understand how to insert references for an article i ma working on. Also the article is scheduled for deletion tomorrow. Could you please grant me an extension till Sunday 7th September 2014?

Alternatively , could i share the reference links with your team ? Can they be added to the article at your end?

Appreciate your help

Thanks and regards, Ramita — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramita.k.singh (talk • contribs) 06:01, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

@Ramita.k.singh: you can request that it be moved to draft space or your user sandbox rather than be deleted.

Information about how to appropriately format references is at WP:REFB

information about what qualifies as an appropriate reference is found at WP:RS. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 06:15, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Fixing a ref tag

How do you get an </ref> tag back to normal — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.73.74 (talk) 06:48, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for trying to fix the problem that someone caused on Gateshead Millennium Bridge. I think I have got it back to normal with this edit that I just made. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 06:51, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

The problems are in not correctness or in plagiarizm?

We already wrote you that the site Marphytag7 (talk) 08:33, 1 September 2014 (UTC)" Faster-than-light neutrino anomaly" has been written uncorrectly by some reasons: 1)you may violate the priority of the first authors V.Ammosov and G. Volkov in <2></ref><3></5>We continue to work in this very perspective direction what we started in 1999!

With the best regards from NEUTRINO LIGHT COMMUNITY prof. G. VolkovMarphytag7 (talk) 08:33, 1 September 2014 (UTC)<1><Arxiv:hep-ph/0008032></2><Padua preprint DFPD-00/TH/39><3><1. Neutrino Oscillations - Muon Storage Rings at CERN Neutrino Oscillation Working Group meetings ... February 2000 Tuesday 29 February 2000>,</4><“Oscillation physics with neutrino factory” arXiv:hep-ph/0210192v113Oct2002, CERN-TH/2002-208, hep-ph/0210192 ></ref5><“ Geometry of Majorana neutrino and new symmetries” Annales de la Fondation Louis de Broglie, Volume 31 no 2-3, 2006. 227.. >

I am not sure what the above is about. If it is about the Wikipedia article Faster-than-light neutrino anomaly, then it would be better to discuss it on that article's talk page. Maproom (talk) 08:57, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I think the OP needs to be directed to WP:FRINGE. SpinningSpark 11:04, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

History of Islam

When I looked up history of islam , I found nothing but incorrect information and bias. There are more Muslims in the world that Christians.All Muslims are not terrorists. You have history of Christianity but no history of lslam. Not right at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FB90:1702:AC72:AC6A:704D:2E5A:7F62 (talk) 08:51, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Is this about the article History of Islam? Maproom (talk) 09:02, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

When I read your comment I found nothing but incorrect information and bias. The article does not mention "terrorists" anywhere. Are you suggesting that "all Muslims are not terrorists" should be inserted in the article? Thus implying that some Muslims are terrorists? The article does not claim there are more Christians than Muslims. It gives some figures for historical percentages, I think to demonstrate the early rapid growth of Islam, but it says nothing about modern numbers. Please try reading before writing, preferably with thinking inserted as an intermediate step. SpinningSpark 10:45, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Spinningspark, I may have misled you here, by adding the title "History of Islam" to 2607's complaint, which he had posted at the bottom of the paragraph about neutrinos, so that it appeared confusingly between the neutrinos paragraph and its footnotes. He says that he "looked up history of islam", but not where he looked it up nor what he found there. In fact it seems rather unlikely that he was complaining about Wikipedia's History of Islam article. Maproom (talk) 11:23, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

High traffic articles

Where can I find the list of Wikipedia articles with very high traffic?--Skr15081997 (talk) 11:26, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

User:West.andrew.g/Popular pages is a list, and Wikipedia:Top 25 Report is a shorter list but with pictures and explanations. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 11:36, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

User name

Choose now a username and a password for the user account. Memorize them, you will use them the next time you will enter to this site — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.67.37.42 (talk) 11:42, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

206.67, who are you replying to? Are you trying to ask a question of your own? SpinningSpark 13:20, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Quotations from sources

Where in the WP Help pages will I find detailed guidance on how and how not to quote from sources in the text of an article? I ask since when copy-editing I often come across quotations in text with quote marks around them that are (a) not quotations that the source has provided, but (b) quotations of the source's actual words. --P123ct1 (talk) 12:23, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

If you haven't found it already, WP:QUOTE is the main guideline on using quotations in articles - it may be of some help. There's also a section of the Manual of Style that deals specifically with quotations, if you want to know how the formatting should be done. Any help? Yunshui ^雲_水 12:27, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I had seen those guidelines and they are very good on how to use quotations and style, but they don't answer my basic question: can short passages or phrases from newspaper articles, websites, etc be taken wholesale into a Wiki article's text and be given quote marks? I thought that was not permitted and that only an actual quotation within a source - newspaper, website or whatever - could be treated as a quotation with quote marks when moved to a Wiki article. --P123ct1 (talk) 14:20, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I see. No, you can quote directly from a source, as long as the usual rules on non-free content are abided by. From WP:QUOTE: "quoting a brief excerpt from an original source can sometimes explain things better and less controversially than trying to explain them in one's own words". Yunshui ^雲_水 14:25, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Though always with the proviso that the quote is attributed in the text, of course, not just in the footnote. When I asked the question I was thinking more of times when the quotes are very short and are not attributed in this way, which I have often seen. --P123ct1 (talk) 15:09, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

submission

i have for example written an article which i would like to submit to wikipedia, how do i do it?/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rodgers mburu (talk • contribs) 13:13, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

The easiest way is to visit the Articles for Creation page and follow the instructions there.  Philg88 ^♦talk 13:44, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Note however that I have suggested the page in question for speedy deletion as an attack page about a possibly living person. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 13:51, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Upload an image

Hi,

I have just created an account and want to upload an image to the new page I am creating. Its a company logo image. What is the best way to upload this file?

This is the page I am creating- https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Simonallan2014/sandbox&action=submit

Thanks,

Simon Simonallan2014 (talk) 14:06, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

You'll find a number of useful links on Wikipedia:Images telling you how to upload & how to use images. You need to be aware, however, that a company logo will normally not have a free licence, and that the non-free content criteria will normally allow you to use such an image on a relevant published article, but not on a draft, such as in your user sandbox. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:13, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Is some category like "Category:Works by protagonists" in English Wikipedia?

Hello! Japanese Wikipedia have a category "Works by (its featuring) protagonists" (ja:Category:主人公別作品, sub-categories are like: "Works featuring musician protagonist", "Works featuring prince protagonist"), and just another two East-Asian language wiki have this categoty by interwiki. Is English Wikipedia a smilar category? Thanks.--CAS222222221 (talk) 14:07, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

There are things like Category:Fictional doctors-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:30, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Many categories of the kind you are looking for can be found amongst the subcategories of Category:Fictional characters such as Category:Fictional characters by occupation. SpinningSpark 16:47, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Labor Day

U.S. President error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.121.110.162 (talk) 14:31, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:34, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

UNABLE ADD REFRENCES TO MY ARTICLE

AM NOT ABLE TO ADD PROPER REFRENCES TO MY ARTICLE. INEED SOMEONE'S HELP WHO KNOW THIS ALL BETTER. PLEASE SOMEONE HELPME IN VERIFYING THIS ARTICLE OTHERWISE IT WILL GET DELETED. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kartikpoojary1995 (talk • contribs) 14:38, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

You would be more likely to get help if you avoided typing entirely in upper case. This is regarded by many as "shouting".

Anyway – the problem is not with "adding references to your article", it is with finding the references to add. They will need to be from reliable independent sources. If you are familiar with the subject, you can do this at least as well as anyone else. Maproom (talk) 12:43, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Probably this article, if it helps. Britmax (talk) 12:48, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Removing the bar 'this article cites no references' after having added references

Hello-

I added refs to the article 'Tintinnid' in hopes that the tag box 'Attention- article cites no refs' would dissapear but the the box is still there. What to do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.236.28.30 (talk) 17:27, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

You appear to be slightly misunderstanding what we mean by references.
You have added a bibliography at the bottom of the article, but you have not added any inline citations, supporting any of the statements made in the article whatsoever. Please see When to cite for when citations should be added and Referencing for beginners for guidance on how to do this. - Arjayay (talk) 18:04, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

@Arjayay: The article uses author-date/parenthetical references and now appears to be well referenced.

@82.236.28.30: The cleanup tag in question is added/removed manually. Simply edit the article and remove {{Unreferenced stub}} at the beginning. --  Gadget850 ^talk 18:19, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia in other languages

Is there a way to see if another language of Wikipedia has a certain article? And, if so, is there a way to "migrate" that article over to this English language Wikipedia? In particular, I am seeking an article about Blessed Bronislava. I am guessing that there might be an article about her in the Polish Wikipedia. For further information about my request, see here: Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities#Bl. Bronislava. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:05, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Here you are. Maproom (talk) 19:58, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't understand Polish at all. Is there a way to "migrate" that article over to this English language Wikipedia? Is there a way to translate that article into English? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:00, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

We don't usually just migrate articles directly from one Wikipedia language to another, not least because notability and referencing and formatting requirements differ so widely. Certainly it doesn't give any special status to the imported article. Instead, it might be best to ask for help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Poland. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:06, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. In the interim, someone had created a new article here in the English Wikipedia. Here is it: Bronislava of Poland. Is there some way to translate the Polish Wikipedia article, in order to improve the English article? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:08, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

You need a translator. Like he said, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Poland is a good place to ask for one. Maproom (talk) 21:51, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

OK, I will visit that page. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:54, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, all. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:54, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Unicode, oh Unicode

Please see en:Help talk:Special characters#Confusing and unhelpful. -84user (talk) 18:52, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia language versions as list of interwiki links

Before wikidata arrived we could easily obtain the list of wikipedia articles in other languages, for various purposes such as adding to Commons pages. How can this be done now? For example, I want to add interwiki links to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Alchemical_symbols . I click on this "edit links" link on the left hand side and my eyes just glaze over. That is not what I expect from a link named "edit links". Thanks and apologies if I sound frustrated. -84user (talk) 20:54, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

That link takes you to a bunch of fun images. I clicked on one at random, and read "Horizontal male with stroke". Yes, that's how I feel. Maproom (talk) 21:59, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

For the record, I've created a new Wikidata item for the category, Q17781917. I'm not sure if there are equivalents on other Wikipedias. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 22:05, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

WikiData is apparently not supposed to link pages and categories yet (although this may change very soon). The solution would be to create a gallery page on Commons and link that in WikiData instead. Green Giant (talk) 22:56, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Ok, a gallery is a good idea; I have just created commons:Alchemical symbols. Otherwise, thank you for creating the wikidata page, but it is quite beyond me how it helps me. I see links labeled edit and add but it might as well all be Egyptian hieroglyphics. How does one even create a wikidata page? Is there a source code view as there is for Commons and wikipedia?

For a start, how would an editor make the Commons gallery page commons:Alchemical symbols link to Alchemical symbols? How to link the Commons category page commons:Category:Alchemical symbols to Alchemical symbols?

So far I managed to add the gallery page https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Alchemical_symbols to the wikidata item https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2451472 as "Pages on other sites linked to this item". That magically caused wikipedia interwiki links to appear at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Alchemical_symbols .

However that was after going down some dead-ends:

First I created a wikidata item Q17782736 and tried but failed to add a link to the Spanish page https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Símbolo_alquímico - at first it reported it could not find the page and then it complained: "The link eswiki:Símbolo alquímico is already used by item Q2451472. You may remove it from Q2451472 if it does not belong there or merge the items if they are about the exact same topic."

That led me to the supposedly correct wikidata item, so at least the error message was helpful.

Surely this stuff must be simpler to do? -84user (talk) 01:36, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

To editor 84user: (Q17782736 is redundant, so I've made a request to delete the item you created.) Yes, I agree that it's confusing at first. In the off-chance that you're interested in contributing to Wikidata, there are some tours you can take. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 06:08, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Making YouTube videos commons-compatible

Resolved

Is it possible to release a YouTube video for commons-compatibility?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:03, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, the default license is the YouTube license, but it is quite easy to change the license to one of the acceptable CC licenses.--S Philbrick(Talk) 23:44, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

To editor TonyTheTiger: YouTube only allows you to change the license to CC-BY 3.0. While this is a free license and compatible with Wikipedia's terms, you will need to make sure that there is no CC-BY-SA content in the video. If there is, you cannot use YouTube's CC option; instead, you will have to release under an appropriate CC-BY-SA license by noting it in the description. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 00:00, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Sphilbrick and Anon126, once I have uploaded the video, can I still change the license. I don't see how to do it.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:00, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

@TonyTheTiger: Yes, you can still change the license. You'll want to edit the specific video from your account, select "Info and Settings" in the top row menu, and then look for "Advanced Settings" in a bottom row menu just below the video itself. There should be a setting called "License and rights ownership", where you can select the Creative Commons (CC-BY 3.0) license. I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 02:41, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:04, 2 September 2014 (UTC)