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January 8

Partner(s) vs. Domestic partner

Why does the |partner= option of Infobox person lead to Partner(s), while at Infobox officeholder it leads to Domestic partner? As a matter of fact, Chen Cui-fen was Sun Yat-sen's partner, but not necessarily his domestic partner. He was married thrice during their relationship. I believe that this needs to change.--The Theosophist (talk) 00:00, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Infoboxes are not designed for nuance. Article text is where nuance can be explained. Infobox are for quick snippets of highly relevant facts, and do not handle sui generis situations that require substantial explanation. Conciseness and comprehensiveness are antonyms. The infobox is designed for the former, the article itself is designed for the latter. There's no inherent need to force an infobox to do the job of the article text. --Jayron32 00:53, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

@Jayron32: Let me ask the question differently: If Partner(s) works perfectly well with Infobox person, then why is it different at Infobox officeholder?--The Theosophist (talk) 04:35, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

There are hundreds of infoboxes made by different editors. It may not be a deliberate decision that the two should display differently. Many officeholders have a running mate, vice something, coalition partner or whatever which may sometimes be called partner so maybe somebody thought "Partner" alone was more likely to cause confusion for officeholders than other people. The whole parameter was added after Template talk:Infobox officeholder/Archive 4#Spouse and Domestic partner which didn't mention arguments or alternatives. It was implemented with other changes in [1]. New changes can be suggested at Template talk:Infobox officeholder and Template talk:Infobox person. Some infobox parameters have an optional second parameter to change the default displayed title, but it may be rejected if the situation is considered rare and not important. If you request it then you may have a better chance if you can suggest full working code. The two infoboxes are high use and can only be edited by administrators and template editors. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:02, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Family tree

Is there a more ″automated″ way to create a family tree than this forest of code which is the chart method?--The Theosophist (talk) 00:04, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Scroll to the bottom of that page. There is an extension you can install, but obviously read the security warnings on it before you use it. Other than that, Wikipedia was designed around text, the only reason we have charts is due to the hard work of other editors doing what they can with the resources available. Ease of use is generally beyond their control. - X201 (talk) 10:40, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Probably a good question for WP:WikiProject Genealogy. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:33, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

The Patten University logo is out of date and it needs to be updated. How would I go about uploading the new logo file and replacing the old logo?

The Patten University logo is out of date and it needs to be updated. How would I go about uploading the new logo file and replacing the old logo? — Preceding unsigned comment added by UnowMarketing (talk • contribs) 00:54, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Help:File_page is a good place to start to learn about uploading files. The tricky part is getting the copyright information correct (see the existing logo file page for some of the fun legalistic language you have to use when uploading such files). To acquire a new logo you can simply make a screen shot, edit/copy your screen shot, and then upload it. This particular school is an intersting case in that they don't seem to use a logo anymore. —Noah (talk) 04:57, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Misicuni Dam

Reference help requested. I am not sure why this "URL error" is coming up (Ref #1). I even tried the PDF version of the source with a different URL and I get the same error. Anyone have an idea?--NortyNort (Holla) 00:55, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

There are 2 url parameters in the citation, the 2nd is: |url=2075-8936  ~E, aka:71.20.250.51 (talk) 01:16, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

ah! Thanks!--NortyNort (Holla) 10:48, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input

how do i reference on wikipeadia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MelbShakespeare (talk • contribs) 01:25, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

WP:Referencing for beginners is a good place to start. Return here if you have questions, or try over at WP:Teahouse, "A friendly place to help new editors".  ~'E, aka:71.20.250.51 (talk) 01:44, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Steve griwowsky needs a lot of work. The help page linked from the error message should help. --  Gadget850 ^talk 01:55, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Source template?

Hey - is there a talk page template regarding users adding unsourced info/using non-reliable sources on pages? Thanks --The one that forgot (talk) 05:19, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

There is a plethora of talk page templates (here). This one looks like what you're looking for: Template:PleaseCite.  ~:71.20.250.51 (talk) 05:35, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

http://www.mitosyfraudes.org/Calen5/JawoCO2-Eng.html

has been maliciously changed by brandon stone , see marriage — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.121.97.147 (talk) 09:52, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

I assume that this is not about the Argentinian web page which you link to, but about the Wikipedia article Zbigniew Jaworowski, where you have deleted an unreferenced personal statement about the subject. Your deletion is in line with Wikipedia policy, so we thank you. Maproom (talk) 10:24, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Whatapp

How I download the whatapp and we chat — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.164.116.86 (talk) 14:45, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Computing reference desk. They specialize in answering computer questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:05, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Trouble with infoboxes

Can anyone explain why the infobox on this page doesn't seem to work? Zacwill16 (talk) 16:36, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Fixed by adding a missing ] in [2]. If a template call displays the source code then look for something unclosed. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:42, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. No wonder I missed something as small as that! Zacwill16 (talk) 16:53, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

I didn't actually do it here but it can sometimes help to examine the page history to see when a problem started.[3] PrimeHunter (talk) 17:01, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Converting non-free logos to SVG

Could someone please explain to me how does, for the lack of a better, broad term, "legal stuff" work for copyrighted logos uploaded under fair use, and for vectorization of those?

To explain what I'm confused about to more detail: I noticed that several pages, such as, for example Superman Shield contain both a fair use rationale, that reasons that the picture provided is in low resolution, AND a template requesting that this picture be provided in SVG format. This seems contradictory to me, as a vector image would, by definition, be of perfect and easily reproducible quality. And so I'd like to know, if it's just an issue with wikimedia/wikimedia projects applying those request boxes where they don't belong, or would it actually be somehow considered legal to recreate the logo in a vector form and replace the picture?

89.74.93.135 (talk) 16:48, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't know the legal details but your example File:Superman shield.png is in Category:Fair use images that should be in SVG format which has an explanation and is clearly made deliberately. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:07, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. I'd still prefer to see some more legal details though, since, for example, I don't know what would one even have to put in the "Low resolution" part of the rationale (if it's necessary). 89.74.93.135 (talk) 17:20, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

There may be some relevant discussion at Category talk:Fair use images that should be in SVG format and some of the pages at Special:WhatLinksHere/Category:Fair use images that should be in SVG format. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:37, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

i want to create my wikipedia

dear sir

i want to create my wikipedia page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.60.176.202 (talk) 17:22, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

You probably shouldn't create or directly edit an article about you because you have a conflict of interest. You can place a request at the requested article queue and it will help if you provide reliably published sources that help confirm that you meet the minimum criteria for an encyclopedia article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:41, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Medical advise given by RN contrary to MD

I go to a non profit clinic (Cherokee Nation)....are the RULES and guidelines the same as a for profit medical institution...i.e. RN dispensing medical advise without Nurse practitioner or Physicians Assistant certification? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.56.1.171 (talk) 17:46, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not give medical advice. The reference desk may be able to point you to sites that do. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:15, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Robert Hooks profile/bio page

Robert Hooks was not the first African-American dramatic lead on American television (N.Y.P.D.). He was preceded by Bill Cosby (I Spy). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.202.39.3 (talk) 18:05, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Don't quit your day job. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:17, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

links to other language Wikipedias

How do I add a link to the same article in another language Wikipedia. If I click 'language' I get a dialog box that says "You need to be logged in". But I am logged in and do not know what to do. Particular question: I created the article Andrej Bauer in English WP. How do I get the 'Languages' link to include the Slovenian version Andrej Bauer and vice-versa? You can respond on my Talk Page--Foobarnix (talk) 18:12, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

We generally don't link cross wiki. The information at WP:WIKIDATA may provide more insight. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:16, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

I went ahead and linked them to make sure I understood the setup. Now linked together at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q12784531 (not sure how to show a wikidata page as a shorter internal link.)Naraht (talk) 18:34, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

You can code that as [[d:Q12784531]], which displays as d:Q12784531, Naraht. --ColinFine (talk) 20:01, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks guys. Remember how simple it use to be to do this!--Foobarnix (talk) 15:14, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Request to change a picture

To whom it may concern, The photo of the man provided for Steven Johnson Syndrome is a photo of my brother. He is currently facing this sickness. He does not want anyone to see him like this.

We would be very grateful if the picture could be changed or removed. We are going through a tough time and your help will be much appreciated.

Thank You in Advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.179.9.20 (talk) 18:35, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

I have commented out the image temporarily until there can be a discussion that determines use of the image is appropriate. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:53, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Actually, there already was such a discussion; see Talk:Stevens–Johnson syndrome#Picture. Nyttend (talk) 23:34, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

• @118.179.9.20: I've responded at BLP/N, but I'll do it here as well. Ultimately this all boils down to whether or not the IP can prove their claims. They'd have to contact ORTS and provide proof that they are who they claim to be and that their brother wants the image removed. The biggie would be that they'd have to have their brother become involved with this, since even if the IP proves that this is their brother we'd still need confirmation that the brother wants the image removed. If he doesn't have a problem with the image and it's just that the family doesn't like seeing him on the article then that throws a pretty big wrench into the works. Now from a legal angle the individual probably signed away the rights to his image to his doctor, as it's common for conditions of healthcare forms to include a clause that lets the health care professionals use the patient's images (or other data) in various educational aspects as long as anonymity is preserved. However at the same time if the claims can be proven then we should probably respect the man's wishes for anonymity. It'll be a shame to see the image go since it was quite helpful (albeit graphic for some) but we should respect privacy in cases like this. But again, it all comes down to proof. I've pinged the IP in case they check back. If they don't reply then the image should be re-added to the article. If they return, then direct them to ORTS and get them to file proof. Although if anyone has another fair use image to put on the article then that would render all of this moot. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:48, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Content on a website I manage was deleted

Hello- the content on a website I manage was deleted and I am not sure why? Can you please assist? The page is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_for_Haiti

Also, I had emailed permissions-en@wikimedia.org about a copyright protection for a photo and never heard back, how should I proceed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morazio (talk • contribs) 19:01, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

You have a conflict of interest and should not be directly editing the article or any content about your organization. Please make suggestions on the article talk page. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:04, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

The content you added was deleted because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and covers what third parties have found notable about the subject. It is not a free webhost for your organization to clone its website on Wikipedia's servers. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:38, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Morazio, I'm sorry you're having a tough time on Wikipedia, but unfortunately you're trying to use it as something it is not, viz. a way of promoting your organisation.. It may help if you understand that you do not manage the article Hope for Haiti: almost anybody in the world may edit it, as long as they do so in accordance with Wikipedia's policies; but you are one of the few people who should not edit it, as TRPoD explained above.

As for tho photo, I'm afraid I can't help, as I'm not one of the people who see that email address. Perhaps now I've mentioned it, somebody else will notice your second question and reply. --ColinFine (talk) 20:19, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Getting results of a change proposal - what now?

I have suggested a style change on Talk:City of Adelaide (1864). This proposal went out less than 24 hours ago. I have got 7 answers all supporting my proposal. There is no opposition.
At what point is it appropriate to decide that I have a consensus answer?
What is the usual way of closing off the request for opinions? (Clearly, after that, I would need to settle down to a lengthy editing session.)
Thanks, ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 20:04, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Now found the relevant help text on this question (WP:CLOSE, etc.) Unanimity makes this easy.ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 09:35, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

How do I create the box on teh left with photo and date of birth

How do I create the box on teh left with photo and date of birth...etc. I am brand new and having problems creating a simple yet nice page.

Jodi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniel Marshall California (talk • contribs) 20:05, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

If you mean the infobox on the right side of many pages, see WP:INFOBOX. Dismas|^(talk) 20:23, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

How/where can I seek input on how topics are discussed in articles?

So I'm feeling a little overwhelmed. If I have an issue with how a topic is discussed in an article or set of articles, and I'm looking for a conversation to resolve it, how and where do I start the conversation? If it's helpful to know, I'm specifically looking at articles on the legality of euthanasia (like Euthanasia in the United States) and how they discuss assisted suicide, which I feel is a confusion of topics. — Athelwulf ^[T]/_[C] 22:35, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

If you can find the "parent" article, that would be a good place to start a discussion or on Project page (but neither of the 2 projects listed on that talk page would seem to be directly enough related.) You can also use the Wikipedia:Template_messages/Cleanup#Contradiction_and_confusion templates to guide discussion. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:40, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

I think WP:WikiProject Death is probably the most appropriate venue. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 22:48, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

excellent find! -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:00, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Ann Margret autobiography

Why is the movie "Dressed to Kill" omitted from her credits? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.72.213.23 (talk) 23:23, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Because she wasn't in it. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 23:32, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

And it clearly isn't an autobiography... AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:02, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

It's sad (but maybe a good sign for Wikipedia) that most "errors" reported here are false. I would have thought people would be more careful before publicly claiming that an article is wrong. I have never seen a correct error report about a cast member. I guess posters just rely on their own idenfication or memory and don't bother looking it up. Note: I count it as a false report when a biography only lists the most important roles and clearly links to a separate filmography page which includes the alledgedly missing role. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:21, 9 January 2015 (UTC)