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May 6

Referencing errors on John Hughlings Jackson

Reference help requested.

What is wrong with this reference? It keeps getting a check URL scheme notice.

Thanks, 50.159.6.134 (talk) 00:37, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

See Template:Cite journal. It appears you are misusing both |laysummary= and |laysource=. The former is supposed to be a URL but isn't; hence the error. Your current value of |laysummary= looks like it could be |quote= instead. ―Mandruss ☎ 01:00, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I will make repairs.50.159.6.134 (talk) 01:36, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Can you tell me how I should use |laysource=.'Italic text50.159.6.134 (talk) 02:07, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

The doc says, "Name of the source of the laysummary." As I read it, that would be something like "PubMed", if you use it at all. I say this with no experience with {{Cite journal}} or your subject area. Also note that you still have one |laysource= with a URL as the value. ―Mandruss ☎ 02:17, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

@50.159.6.134: Those most knowledgeable about the usage of a template are usually found at its associated talk page, in this case Help talk:Citation Style 1. ―Mandruss ☎ 02:33, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

References

Recently submitted changes, would like to see tags removed, if possible

Hello,

I have familiarity with American School in Taichung, and have been revising the article on it to make citations third-party and consistent style, and I have added one where it seemed necessary (the AP course listing). I've been learning Wikipedia styles on my own, and would appreciate a review of the article and removal of the self-published, citation style, and refimprove tags if possible.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timkat2 (talk • contribs) 02:22, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Hey Timkat2. All the citations are naked links, which is a very poor style because readers should be able to see what the source is and other information about it, which a URL does not provide. Please see, for example, Przevalski's nuthatch and take a look at the references to get an idea of what a fully attributed citation looks like. See also Help:Referencing for beginners. For that reason I think the citation style tag very much still belongs. Second, most of the article remains entirely unsourced. The entire history section, for example, has no citations, and of the only three citations in the article, two are meager, directory type citations, verifying a factoid but not the major detail of the text. The only citation of any real substance is the Taipei Times news article, and even it only verifies one sentence's fact. So the refimprove tag definitely needs to remain. I would agree though that the self-published tag is no longer applicable.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:20, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Fuhghettaboutit, I fixed two of the naked link issues. Probably while you were typing up your reply here. (I don't know why I didn't get an edit conflict when I saved my comments below.) Dismas|^(talk) 04:23, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

It's a line skipping issue.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:32, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

@Timkat2: Normally those tags are removed by the person who fixes the problem that the tag is intended to point out. So, if you feel that the issue is fixed, then you would be the one to remove the tag. That said, anyone may disagree with you and put the tag back. In this case, I disagree that all the issues have been fixed. The entire history section of the article is still unreferenced, so the refimprove tag still applies. This is just one example after a quick skim of the article. Dismas|^(talk) 04:22, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Error bug due to 'mobile frontend'?

I have been accidentally accept its 'mobile frontend' for mobile version. I saw it and it says "This page has been added to your "albums" collection" just quickly drop the bar. Where the '"albums" collection' section on Wikipedia mobile? How to cancel 'mobile frontend' and how to back to normal in Wikipedia mobile? TheSkinsAdded (talk) 03:35, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Your question is very confusing. But what I think you're asking is how to switch between the mobile and standard views of Wikipedia on a mobile device. At the bottom of any page, there should be links labeled 'Mobile' and 'Desktop'. That should let you switch between the two views. Dismas|^(talk) 04:16, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. :)TheSkinsAdded (talk) 05:03, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

major bug on all Wikipedia.org site

I'm probably not at the right place to report this but they is definitely a problem with the site. When using my iPad 2 with chrome browser, I'm getting a blank page with my geo location on top. It is a big problem because I'm getting that error for ALL the Wikipedia.org pages in ALL languages. I have tried in both English and French.

Sorry to report the problem here, this is the only place I could find a place to write to you by using my phone instead...

I'm a great fan of your site and actually pretty amazed to see such a problem from you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.222.138.146 (talk) 10:57, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

The same issue has been posted to WP:VPT which is a better place for technical problems such as this one. Watch for responses there. Dismas|^(talk) 11:39, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Ghostly, incorrect category assignation

On top of article Togoland, there is the ghostly, senseless line:

[[Category:Former protectorates|Togoland, Germany]]

I don't know where it comes from, it's not part of the source code. Maybe it is somehow produced by faulty parameters inserted in Template:Infobox former country, still I don't understand how? --KnightMove (talk) 11:15, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

@KnightMove: I think the template expects the "empire" parameter to be plain text, not a wikilink. I suggest you post at Template talk:Infobox former country for expert advice. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:36, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Anyway your hint helped, thank you. --KnightMove (talk) 11:50, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia not available 6th may

Cannot access Wikipedia in Chrome but can in Safari. Chrome just returns a geographical location. Any info? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.167.25.63 (talk) 11:34, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

The same issue has been posted to WP:VPT which is a better place for technical problems such as this one. Watch for responses there. Dismas|^(talk) 11:39, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Change title of an article

Hello,

We have created a page article called "Una Hotels & Resorts" some years ago, now I change the old username to a new one with the same settings, but I want to be sure that the article we published is still of our property and responsibility. And also I would like to know hot to change the title of this article. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unapamela (talk • contribs) 14:23, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

_{Added wikilink} - X201 (talk) 14:30, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

The article Una hotels & resorts is not your property, nor your responsibility, and never was. It is Wikipedia's property, and should not be edited by anyone associated with Una. If you say what you would like the article's name changed to, preferably giving a reference to some published source about the name change, I can change it for you. Maproom (talk) 14:34, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)No it isn't your property or responsibility- once an article is published, everyone is allowed and encouraged to contribute changes to it, see WP:OWN. As you have a WP:COI, you are strongly discouraged from directly making changes. Also, the article is currently up for deletion, as it fails WP:GNG and appears to be an advert, discussion here- you're allowed to contribute to the discussion, but not to remove the AfD tags from the article itself. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:37, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Unapamela (talk) 15:07, 6 May 2015 (UTC)Unapamela the exact name is "UNA Hotels & Resorts" and the source is wwww.unahotels.it - so the article will be deleted?Unapamela (talk) 15:07, 6 May 2015 (UTC)Unapamela

There is a discussion about whether the company is notable enough for Wikipedia, the main policies being WP:GNG and WP:CORP. Basically anyone can contribute to the discussion, and it continues until there's a clear consensus. If consensus is to delete, the article is deleted, if consensus is to keep, the article is kept (and hopefully improved). Joseph2302 (talk) 15:10, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

• FYI Unapamela I moved the article so it has the correct name now. (It's really the same name, it just was not properly capitalized.) —Мандичка^YO 😜 16:28, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Flag in Panama Canal Zone article?

Panama Canal Zone Zona del Canal de Panamá
Former territory of United States
1903–1979
Flag Coat of arms
Capital	Balboa
Government
• Motto	The Land Divided, The World United
History
• Established	1903
• Disestablished	1979
Preceded by Succeeded by Colombia Panama
Today part of	Panama

The Flag on the Panama Canal Zone site is the Colombian flag, shouldn't the flag be the U S or Panamanian flag?--107.202.237.167 (talk) 14:55, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello, 107.202.237.167. As I read it, when the US was negotiating for the lease it was Colombia it was negotiating with, as Panama seceded from Colombia afterwards; so there is certainly a case for the Colombian flag. I suggest you discuss this on the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 15:24, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

There are three flags in Panama Canal Zone which displays the infobox to the right: A small flag of Colombia representing the owner of the area before 1903, a small flag of Panama representing the owner after 1979, and the large File:Flag of Panama Canal Zone.svg for 1903–1979 where the Panama Canal Zone existed. Everything looks in order. If you saw a page with only the Colombian flag then it was probably not at Wikipedia but at a site we have no control over like Facebook. Some Facebook pages display the first image in a Wikipedia article. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:45, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Redirect to section

I tried to make a redirect to a section (I used "#"), but I got a red message saying I can't. Pickuptha'Musket (talk) 15:11, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Pickuptha'Musket. It's always hard to help with a problem when the reporter doesn't tell you what exactly happened (what was the red message? At what point did you get it? Was it on a page, on a pop-up, in the edit box,, or where?), or where they were working when it happened. But I see you've redirected BBC idents - was that the page you had problems with? --ColinFine (talk) 15:37, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

I was creating redirects to Cathy Henkel#Trial of Rolf Harris. The message was: You can't make a redirect here, because this page already exists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pickuptha'Musket (talk • contribs) 16:56, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

You didn't say what you were trying to redirect to that section. If you were trying to redirect "XYZ", the message is telling you that a page XYZ already exists. For example, Rolf Harris already exists. ―Mandruss ☎ 17:00, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

My redirects were Cathy Henkel#Trial of Rolf Haris, Cathy Henkel#Trial of Rolph Harris and Cathy Henkel#Trial of Rolph Haris. Hope this helps. Pickuptha'Musket (talk) 17:07, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

@Pickuptha'Musket: Sorry but that doesn't make sense and I cannot guess what you tried to do. See Help:Redirect. A redirect goes from a pagename X which cannot contain '#' to another pagename Y or a section Y#Z on that page. The sections Cathy Henkel#Trial of Rolph Harris and Cathy Henkel#Trial of Rolph Haris don't exist and they both contain '#' so they can neither be the source nor target of a redirect. Furthermore, the detailed section at Rolf Harris#Arrest and trial in his own biography would be a more natural target for any redirect about his trial. If you still have problem then please say which code you tried to place on which page. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:27, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

After some research I may have figured out what you were trying to do. Did you use Wikipedia:How to make a redirect and enter "Cathy Henkel#Trial of Rolf Haris" in the box, in an attempt to redirect from "Cathy Henkel#Trial of Rolf Haris" to Cathy Henkel#Trial of Rolf Harris? As mentioned, the source of a redirect cannot contain '#'. Cathy Henkel#Trial of Rolf Haris is a part of the page Cathy Henkel. If you enter "Cathy Henkel#Trial of Rolf Haris" in the box then the software ignores "#Trial of Rolf Haris" and interpretes it as an attempt to make a redirect with source Cathy Henkel. The error message correctly says that page already exists. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:55, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

On a sidenote, I noticed that you redirected several categories. Per WP:R#CATEGORY that's probably not a good approach to solve the spelling problem. Please check that guideline - maybe someone more experienced with categorization can give you additional advice. GermanJoe (talk) 17:09, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Peter May Mystery Writer

When I type Peter May into Google, one of my choices is Peter May's Wikipedia page which is what a want. When I go to Wikipedia and type in Peter May, my ONLY choice=a direct link is to Peter May, cricketer. This is very frustrating. I like to go to Wikipedia directly. Can you fix this state of affairs? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.43.253.172 (talk) 16:52, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

If you type in Peter May in Wikipedia, and go to the page for the cricket player, you will notice an entry at the top of the page that says that for other people with that name, see Peter May (disambiguation). That provides you with a list. One of the people in the list is Peter May (writer), who is the writer that you want. So you can get to him directly. However, a good argument can be made, based on the Google search that you describe, that Peter May either should go to the writer or at least that the disambiguation page should be primary. A Google search turns up much more information about the writer than about the cricket player. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:03, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

I decided to be bold, and have renamed the article on the cricket player to Peter May (cricketer) and have made the disambiguation page primary, so that Peter May now goes to a list of people. One could further argue that the author should be primary, but I won't do that. If the OP wants that, he or she can create an account and discuss that on either Talk: Peter May (writer) or Talk: Peter May (disambiguation). Robert McClenon (talk) 17:12, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

I disagree, and am the process of trying to undo it. An obscure writer doesn't merit the same coverage as the cricketer, who is one of under 100 cricketers in the ICC Cricket Hall of Fame, the most important cricket award. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:01, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

I've just finished fixing the links to Peter May. Please feel free to recruit an admin to roll back those edits if necessary. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:10, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

As these things actually need a consensus, I've started a discussion at Talk:Peter May. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:11, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

You proposed discussion on Talk:Peter May, but you had nominated its article, Peter May for speedy deletion. The discussion can be at Talk: Peter May (disambiguation), where there is now Request for Comments. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:50, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

listing template

I represent a very high profile attorney who is not listed in Wiki. Is there a form or template provided so that I may enter the required information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mediarod (talk • contribs) 18:07, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

We strongly discourage users from creating articles about subjects where they have a conflict of interest, as you do here, as they find it almost impossible to maintain the required neutral point of view: Wikipedia:COI, Wikipedia:BESTCOI, Wikipedia:NPOV.

In these circumstances you have a couple of options: You can request that the article be created by following the process set out at Wikipedia:RA but note that there is a huge backlog there (which for Wikipedia isn't a problem as there is no deadline - Wikipedia:DEADLINE). Or, you can create the article yourself via the articles for creation process bearing in mind that all the issues that I linked to above will apply to such a draft. In any event you requested to declare you COI on your user page.--ukexpat (talk) 18:47, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Also please note, Mediarod, that Wikipedia may not be used for advertising. The criterion for whether Wikipedia could have an article about your employer is whether there exists substantial writing about them, written by people with no connection to them, and published in reliable places. If these exist, then there can be an article, which must be based entirely on published sources, and nearly all on sources unconnected with the subject. If you can find such sources, then you are welcome to try writing an article in the way Ukexpat has suggested, and be ready to be reviewed strictly for verifiability and neutrality. If such sources do not exist, then there is no point in spending time trying to write such an article, as your employer has no place in Wikipedia at present. --ColinFine (talk) 22:33, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

car accident

where can I find information on car incidents I know the city and state but not excacted day or year 1969 to 1973 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.109.242.174 (talk) 19:04, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

The correct place to ask would be Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous, although it's likely no-one there will know. This help desk is for enquiries about editing Wikipedia. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:12, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

creating a company page

I want to develop my company's wikipedia page but I keep running into a speedy deletion alert. How do I copy over text from our website and social media outlets without it being considered copyright infringement? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaseman211 (talk • contribs) 19:06, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

You can't; all of that stuff is advertising and marketing content, and thus lacks the mandatory neutral point of view for a Wikipedia article. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:02, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

You need to put all that stuff onto a Business directory. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia - not a trade directory. Wrong place.--Aspro (talk) 20:43, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

I agree, Wikipedia is not for advertising. If you want a company page on here, it needs to be written in your own words, and neutral point of view. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:57, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

But based entirely on published sources, and mostly on sources unconnected with the company. If they don't exist, there's no point trying to write the article. --ColinFine (talk) 22:35, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Problem with citation template selection

This is for Camas pocket gopher which is inches away from getting promoted to FA. I am stuck a source reviewer criticism which reads "FNs 20, 21: The Wikisource logo is showing as part of the title (both as displayed and in the metadata). Wikisource is also being shown as the publisher; since it is just the content provider, it should be shown as "via Wikisource". I would suggest replacing {{cite wikisource}} with {{cite encyclopedia}}, setting |titlelink=s:Page on wikisource and |via=Wikisource (linked to Wikisource for the first use)" I don't understand what is wrong with it the wqay that it is, but do not want to cause a fuss. Can somebody help out by just fixing this, so that Wikipedia can benefit and I can not bang my head on my desk? thanks! --Gaff (talk) 22:10, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Hey Gaff. I've added full attribution for the two citations and changed them to use {{sfn}}. Cheers--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:11, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

A Request from Jacques Henri Bien Aime

5/6/2015

From Jacques Henri Bien Aime.

to whom it may concern.

I am still with Dept of Education session of Adult Continuing Education Alternative complex Region four.

I was told to contact the library, who can help me with the GED which I am still taken class daily for the Certificate. "Henry Settlement" is trying to help me with many issues, on many respects suggested me while everything going on inevitably I need to help that "GED" for them to help me better. I am an implant user which I believe the reason at the "regional center for the test" they are not interest much not because of that inconvenience but maybe an aging issue as well. So since I am told to explain that and get help, I send the present request, and also I would like to find out if the registration can be done Online, or if I should inquiry to set and solve the problem. I would like to get the replied to the same way I managed to contact the "Library." I am still taking Class and training but it seems inevitably that Certificate or Diploma is the key point for all. So I would like to have all information, not information only but to start at the earlier convenience Sincerely Jacques Henri Bien Aime. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.71.132.154 (talk) 23:00, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. --Jayron32 23:11, 6 May 2015 (UTC)