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September 28

Sutro Baths

Where does the refimprove template go, at the top of an article or in the references section? It's the article refimprove template, not the section refimprove one. I saw it at the bottom of the references section at Sutro Baths a few days ago and moved it to the top of the article because that's where I've always seen it placed. Another editor quickly moved it back to the bottom. I looked at the edit history of the article and saw that the template was originally put in the article, at the top, in March 2014. In March 2015, the same editor who reverted me a few days ago moved it back to the references section. Where does the template belong? If it belongs at the bottom, that's fine. But if it goes the top, can someone put it there because I already tried a few times. Thanks. Czoal (talk) 05:53, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

• @Czoal: Cleanup notices that apply to the entire article should go at the top. You could go through the tens of thousands of articles that have that template and they are at the top of the article. Putting it at the bottom serves no purpose. Cleanup templates are supposed to notify readers and editors of what still has to be done to the article. Putting it all the way at the bottom, decreasing its visibility, defeats that purpose. --Stabila711 (talk) 06:12, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
• However, I recommend discussing this on the article's talk page since the other editor has initiated a discussion regarding the placement of the tag and continuing to revert will put you in trouble with 3RR. --Stabila711 (talk) 06:22, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
• There is now a discussion of this at Talk:Sutro Baths#Template placement, and a more general RfC at Template talk:Refimprove#RfC: Location of Tag. I urger all interested editors to express their views. @Czoal and Stabila711: DES ^(talk) 08:10, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Stabila71 and DES, thank you so much for your excellent responses and guidance. I posted my thoughts in the dicussions at those two places. Czoal (talk) 15:47, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

How to edit a page for RMOS Consultancy ?

Please help me editing a page for RMOS Consultancy ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajnitsharma (talk • contribs) 05:59, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

• @Rajnitsharma: So I saw that you created an article with nothing but a redirect. What exactly are you trying to do? Are you trying to create an article about RMOS Consultancy? If so does it meet the notability standards for companies? Does it have reliable sources that are independent from the company? There are certain qualities that every article must have in order to be appropriate for inclusion in Wikipedia. You can see the general guidelines here. Please clarify exactly what you are trying to do so we can help you further. --Stabila711 (talk) 06:18, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Question about regex

So this wikipage keeps creating false positives in the copyvio bot reports. There is User:CorenSearchBot/exclude a page that lists all the webpages that the copyvio bot should ignore. I would like to exclude list that specific webpage but only that one; would sss\.wiki/magcon-tour/ be the right regex to do it?Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:08, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Looks correct based on the other examples, yes. RegistryKey^(RegEdit) 03:52, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Character images not allowed for actor infoboxes

I'm trying to find a policy or guideline that I've seen before but can't locate at the moment. It basically said that images of actors playing a specific character were not to be used in the infoboxes in the article for the actor. The rationale being that the image was of a character being played by an actor. Not an image of the actor playing a character.

Can someone help me locate this? Thanks, 198.169.189.230 (talk) 13:06, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

It is general copyright policies WP:FAIR and WP:NFCCP. use of a copyright photo of an actor to represent the actor fails WP:NFCCP#1. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:33, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

If the particular role is discussed in some detail in the article, then an image of the actor in role "might" qualify, for an article, but I would think would not be preferred for the infobox, at least not if an image of the actor out-of-role was available and free to use. Or if the image is out of copyright for any of several possible reasons. Or if someone (presumably not official) took a photo of a stage play and released it under a free license. All of these are rare exceptions. DES ^(talk) 15:36, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Shishu Bankar (talk • contribs) 14:31, 28 September 2015‎ (UTC)

Hello, Shishu Bankar. Since you haven't told us which page the cite error occurred on, and you haven't edited any other pages than this, we cannot help you. Please tell us which page the problem is on. --ColinFine (talk) 16:18, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Redirects

I'd like to create a new page, but the subject matter is mentioned (briefly- about a paragraph) in another page. So when you search for it, it redirects to an existing page. I want the existing page to have their content, but I'd also like a new page with more in-depth information. How is this possible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leigh Mce (talk • contribs) 14:50, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

A redirect can be replaced with actual content easily enough. If you follow the redirect to the article, you'll see a "redirected from" at the top of the page - if you click on that you'll go back to the redirect which can then be edited as any other page. If you do create a more complete article about a subject, a "see main article" link back from the article containing the brief description may be useful at that point. OTOH, I strongly suggest creating the article in your sandbox or draft space first, and getting some people to look at it before moving it into the main space (at that point if it's being moved over an existing redirect, you'll need an admin's help to delete the redirect first so you don't lose the edit history of the draft article). You *can* create articles in the main space, but stuff that's half baked can often get deleted quickly; stuff in your user space is much easier to work with . See Wikipedia:Your first article for much useful advice. Rwessel (talk) 15:03, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

@Leigh Mce: I undid your edit where you blanked the redirect. Feel free to convert it into an article, but please don't leave the page blank. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Will This New Article Be Allowed?

I want to write a new biographical article on an entrepreneur and businessman I know (at this point, I don't want to mention his name). As far as I can tell, there is no published material that does this. Some of the info I would include does exist (in books, articles, etc), but much of what I would write does not.

Given this, would such an article be accepted on Wikipedia?

Marc Berkowe — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mberkowe (talk • contribs) 15:06, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

@Mberkowe: Simply put, probably not. First of all, we do not advise people with conflicts of interest to create such articles directly. Secondly, we need reliable sources not only to prove the accuracy of the content but also to show that the subject is actually notable. In this case, you should consider whether the businessman meets the notability guidelines for people. It would also be useful to consider WP:My first article. The Average Wikipedian (talk) 15:18, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

@Mberkowe: Probably not. All information in Wikipedia articles must be able to be verified using information in published sources that meet Wikipedia's definitions of reliable sources. You are strongly encouraged to cite your sources using inline citation. Moreover, the subjects of Wikipedia articles must meeet Wikipedia's definition of notability, which basically boils down to a requirement that there must be multiple, non-trivial discussions of the topic in reliable secondary sources which are published independently of the subject. Since you are wanting to write about an entrepreneur and businessman, you should also check out the special notability requirements for subjects of biographies. Also, since this is a person you know, you may want to read up on our conflict of interest policy. Lastly, assuming the person is still alive, the rules on biographies of living persons would also apply, meaning the article would be held to a higher standard of verifiability.

TLDR: if there is no published material that discusses this person it is not appropriate to write an article about him/her. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 15:19, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Internal link without underline

In many cases, such as in Chinese numerals, the underscore under links is misleading. Is there a way to link without the underlines? — Sebastian 18:01, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

I completely agree with you, the underline can turn it into a complete different character.Naraht (talk) 18:15, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm not logged in right now and there are no underlines. And from my memory of the preferences pane from when I am logged in, I think there's a setting to turn it off. 198.169.189.230 (talk) 19:02, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering has an "Underline links" box with options "Never", "Always", "Skin or browser default". It starts at the last setting. I don't know different browser defaults but in Firefox I only get underlined links with Cologneblue, and it disappears as expected if I select Never. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:37, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

I can see where this makes it better, but I agree that something to change the *actual* link would be best.Naraht (talk) 20:11, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

I was playing with this, and thought applying an appropriate style might work. For example, [[C (programming language)|<span style="color:green">C (programming language)</span>]] renders the link green: C (programming language). But style="text-decoration:none" doesn't appear to do the trick. Rwessel (talk) 21:04, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't see links underlined except when I'm actually hovering over them (in Firefox). Perhaps this is your browser doing it? --ColinFine (talk) 21:57, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

That article ( Chinese numerals) has a lot of interwiki links to Wiktionary rather than internal Wikipedia. Is that the reason for the differences in display? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:38, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Well, you can set your preferences so that underlining isn't done (or that it depends on your skin) as described above. The question is how the *article* can be changed so that these links to wikipedia don't have the underline. The best way that I can describe the situation in reverse is to imagine a language printed vertically and had the underline for links on the right. If that language wikipedia had an article on the latin alphabet, you wouldn't be able to see the difference between an a and an o in some fonts due to it looking like o| (sort of).Naraht (talk) 15:16, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Moving a picture to Commons

The article Joulupöytä has a nice picture of a Finnish joulupöytä that I have taken myself. In contrast, the Finnish article fi:Suomalainen jouluateria only has a picture of a Danish Christmas meal, despite the article's name meaning "Finnish Christmas meal". I'd like to add my picture to the Finnish article, but the problem is, it's uploaded to the English Wikipedia directly, not to Commons, so I can't use it on the Finnish Wikipedia. How do I go about moving it to Commons? JIP | Talk 19:29, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

• @JIP: According to this page, you can upload the file to commons then mark the file here for speedy deletion under F8. --Stabila711 (talk) 19:34, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks! I've uploaded the picture to Commons, marked the original for speedy deletion, and speedy deleted it myself with my AdministrativePower^TM. JIP | Talk 19:48, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
    • Do you have to go into a telephone booth to activate that? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:36, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Website address

Sir I want to Add website address of the my village on the wikipedia of our village how i can add website there — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guddukumarjha (talk • contribs) 20:03, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

• @Guddukumarjha: Alright, which article are you talking about? The infobox for settlements has a parameter where you can put the official website in. --Stabila711 (talk) 20:08, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

@Guddukumarjha: see the guidelines for external links . in general we would include the official website of the city run by the city but not other websites about the city run by other entities. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:19, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

My watchlist has changed,

and I don't know if it's something I did or not. I've always used mouseover on diffs to see what's changed. Doesn't work anymore. Also other links, including usernames & their talk (in signatures) no longer show content by mouseover. Can I get that feature back?

(Otherwise there are triangles where there before were only dots (black or green) on my watchlist, and the time is in a different font. I may get used to these other things, or not. It's only the ability to see the content of a link without the bother of clicking on it, that I'm asking about just now.)

Thank you. --Hordaland (talk) 22:02, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

You import User:Lupin/popups.js in User:Hordaland/vector.js and User:Hordaland/monobook.js. Try to remove it there and enable "Navigation popups" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. If it still doesn't work then what is your skin and browser? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:31, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

OracleI

. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.45.108.35 (talk) 23:48, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Can you clarify what you are asking? OracleI is not an existing article on Wikipedia. Tiggerjay (talk) 05:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)