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Gibside

Please check that I have placed the last sub-heading in the correct position. ThanksSrbernadette (talk) 02:26, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Srbernadette I think it looks okay, but I'm not sure what you thought might be wrong.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:11, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Orphan Articles

how can I make the article on Shuddhaanandaa Brahmachari not an orphan? I am not understanding how to make links to other pages. I have made some links, but it is still saying the article is an Orphan. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Normanadari (talk • contribs) 02:36, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

@Normanadari: You need to make a link on another page which links to Shuddhaanandaa Brahmachari. Thanks, Jjamesryan (talk | contribs) 03:31, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict)The tag on the article directs you to WP:ORPHAN where it explains that an orphan is an article that has no links going to it from other articles. So, you can find references to Shuddhaanandaa Brahmachari in other articles and put square brackets around the name to link that article to the Shuddhaanandaa Brahmachari article. Dismas|^(talk) 03:33, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

A more serious problem with that article is that it has no correctly-cited inline references. Please see WP:INTREF2 for how you can put that right. Maproom (talk) 09:38, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

@Maproom and Ukexpat: I tried to fix <ref>–s [1], please see if I did it good. Possibly those plain URLs should be converted into some {{Cite web}} templates, but I have no time to do it now. --CiaPan (talk) 12:52, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Please Delete Our Company Page on Wikipedia

Dear Wikipedia Help Desk,

My name is Reza Rahutomo, a website & multimedia officer from ALTO Network. An ATM company from Indonesia. Recently, me & my supervisor found our company page in Wikipedia. Due to irrelevant information which provided in the page, we'd like to ask Wikipedia Help Desk to delete the page.

The page is: https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALTO

Please contact me if further assistance/information is needed. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reza26rhtm (talk • contribs) 04:19, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello, That appears to be a page on Indonesian Wikipedia. This page is related to help at the English Wiki. You would need to make contact on the appropriate page at the Indonesian Wiki. Eagleash (talk) 07:06, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Try id:Wikipedia:Warung Kopi/Meja penolong, Reza26rhtm. --ColinFine (talk) 12:24, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

WIKI Book

How can I access the WIKI Book menu when I'm in Wikikwall? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hodialex (talk • contribs) 06:45, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Hodialex. If you mean WikiWall, then I'm afraid that that has absolutely nothing to do with Wikipedia, and no Wikipedia facilities will be available there (unless the proprietors have chosen to provide them). If you mean something else, then you'd better explain. what. --ColinFine (talk) 12:28, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Soundtracks

Hi Wikipedia

Long question about soundtracks

Wikipedia How come the Vamps Soundtrack for Kung Fu Panda 3 a Promotional Single Not a Single. I don't get it. A lot of the Soundtracks for Films are Singles, Even Cee Lo Green with Jack Black sings Kung Fu Fighting and it is a Single. In 2006 Brad Paisley who is a Country Singer who sang 2 Soundtracks Called "Behind the Clouds" & "Find Yourself" from the Film Cars (soundtrack). These here are Not In the Promotional Singles Table Because They ARE NOT FREE DOWNLOADS & They are From A FILM & Is a Singer As Well. 2011 Brad Paisley Sang "Nobody's Fool" "Collisions of Worlds" (with Robbie Williams) from the Cars 2 (soundtrack) Which are Singles & from the Films Listed. In 1997 Seal Sang "Fly Like an Eagle" From The Film Space Jam Soundtrack which are Singles & from the Films Itself. In 2001 Seal Sang "This Could Be Heaven" From the Film The Family Man Soundtrack, which is a Single & from the Films Itself. In 2006 Seal Sang "A Father's Way" from the Film The Pursuit of Happyness Soundtrack which is a Single & from the Films Itself. In 1996 R Kelly Sang "I Believe I Can Fly" From the Film Space Jam and the Album Called R. Which is a Single from the Film & The Album. In 1997 "Gotham City" From the Film Batman & Robin and the Album Called R. Which is a Single from the Film & The Album. And The Very Last Example is Phil Collins Sang in 1985 "Separate Lives" (with Marilyn Martin) From the Film White Nights Soundtrack Which is a Single from the Film. In 19988 Phil Collins Sang "A Groovy Kind of Love" & "Two Hearts" from the Film Buster Soundtrack Which Are Singles from the Film Itself. In 1999 Phil Collins Sang "You'll Be in My Heart" From the Film Tarzan Soundtrack Which is a Single from the Film Itself. In 2000 Phil Sang "Strangers Like Me", "Son of Man" & "Two Worlds" from the Film Tarzan Which are Single from the Film Tarzan like You'll Be In My Heart. In 2003 Phil Collins Sang "Look Through My Eyes" from the Film Brother Bear Soundtrack Which is a Single from the Film Itself. In 2004 Phil Collins Sang "No Way Out" from the Film Brother Bear Soundtrack Which is a Single from the Film Itself. So You See from these Examples, NONE OF THEM ARE IN THE PROMOTIONAL SINGLES Because They Are Not a FREE DOWNLOAD, They are Singles Download from the Charts/Top 40 and Promotional Are Not. There are Other Examples Like 2014 Brad Paisley sang "All In"& "Runway Romance" from the Film Planes: Fire and Rescue (soundtrack) which is a Single & from the Films Itself. Like these Examples above ARE SINGLES why isn't the Vamps In There

Thank You

Bye

Kind Regards

From

James Duggins (talk) 08:56, 8 March 2016 (UTC) James Duggins James Duggins (talk) 08:56, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello, James Duggins. I'm afraid you're at the wrong place. In the first place, this is a page for questions about editing Wikipedia: for general knowledge questions, the Reference Desk is more appropriate. But secondly, it seems to me that your question isn't actually a question that anybody can answer, but a rant; so I don't think you'll have much success at the Reference Desk either. You might find a forum somewhere where it fits better. --ColinFine (talk) 12:33, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Actually, I think this is a question about the content of an article though I'm not sure which one. And the question is then followed by a laundry list of examples that the OP thinks fit their view but because of the laundry list format it's hard to see the forest for the trees. So, my suggestion for the OP is to go to whatever article you think is in error and post a clearer comment on the talk page for that article as to what you feel should be changed and why. Dismas|^(talk) 15:09, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Templates

Hi,

Is there a way I can view all Templates on Wikipedia English that end in Technology?

I've tried (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AllPages?from=&to=technology&namespace=10) it lists all templates but it does not filter to the technology or technologies query by title even when input and just returns randomly unrelated pages.

Many thanks,

--Huss4in (talk) 12:49, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

intitle:technology in the search box searches for a term anywhere in the title. For templates: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&search=intitle%3Atechnology&fulltext=Search&ns10=1&profile=advanced. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:28, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

@Huss4in:, @PrimeHunter: Easiest way for this type of lookup is using Quarry (http://quarry.wmflabs.org/) I ran

use enwiki_p; select * from page where page_title like "%Technology" and page_namespace = 10 and got back 48 hits (Template is namespace 10). I'll drop them into User:Huss4in/Technology_end Naraht (talk) 17:00, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, that did the trick; I also need a way to do both the above AND search the article summary for "fiction" or "fictional"; is it possible? i.e. any page involving the fictional with a technology infobox--Huss4in (talk) 17:39, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

The article summary or the article contents? Note, a large number of them are something like "...Institute of Technology" which my bet is can be excluded. At that point, doing it by hand may be easier...Naraht (talk) 18:52, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

No contents list at top of article

The page List of fantasy worlds is arranged by the different media in which fantasy worlds appear, but there is no contents list at the top of the page as there is with most pages (presuambly because of some conflict with the alpha listings?). Such a list would be helpful.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:00, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Add {{TOC limit|2}} to the top of the page.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:07, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) There is a TOC, formatted differently by the use of {{compact ToC}}. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:12, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

 Done Rojomoke (talk) 14:01, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

nazi symbols

hi, i'm sure you can find a picture of "Directly heated triodes", like the one shown in the following wiki page, but without a wehrmacht writing and swastika.

Tube sound

thanks, omri — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.31.228.18 (talk) 14:13, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

When viewed at Tube sound#Tube sound enthusiasts the swastika on the triode is around 1 mm on a 20 inch screen. It's impossible to see what it is without enlarging the image. I think it's OK to use that image in the article. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:56, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Even with expanding the image, the swastikas were printed small enough when placed on the tubes that what is in the circle wasn't done that well as a swastika. If it wasn't done in a circle under a bird, I wouldn't have guessed. Maybe a better image could be found in US or UK equivalent tubes, but I know so little about the WWII era technology that I'm not sure who at the time used Directly heated triodes. There is an element of WP:CENSOR here, so I'd only support the change if an image *at least* as good was found.Naraht (talk) 20:02, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Alternatively, you could provide a better image. (Many people are under the mis-impression that there is some staff to do research like this—in fact, all this is done by volunteers, like you.)--S Philbrick(Talk) 15:56, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Help undoing a move in order to create two articles

Hello, I would like to create two new articles: "Textile museum", a general article with the definition of the category, and "Textile Museum", a disambiguation page for all the articles that begin as Textile Museum, and with a link to the description page. The actual article page for "Textile museum" (lower case "m") was moved to "Textile Museum", which now redirects to a one specific article, but I am working on the disambiguation page. How can I undo the move so that I can create the two basic articles? Thank you. Jllm06 (talk) 15:16, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Jllm06, Generally we prefer not to have two different articles or pages whose names differ only in the case of a latter. Where a disambiguation page must be distinguished from another page it often has (disambiguation) placed at the end of the page title. Undoing a move requires an admin in many cases. If nothing has been done to the source page since the move you can simply move it back. Otherwise, an admin is needed. DES ^(talk) 00:06, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

That's not a proper dab page in any case - see WP:PTM. It should probably be renamed List of textile museums. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:08, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

I agree, "List of textile museums" is the proper way to deal with this. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:01, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

How do I create molecular diagrams for use in pages?

I want to update the molecular diagram for this page, because it's not in a standard form (see the talk page for more info). All Wikipedia's chemical pages have a standardized graphic for molecular diagrams. Which tool is used to create these? I'm happy to fix the Meldonium page, just don't know how. Meldonium — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4898:80E8:C:0:0:0:3E9 (talk) 15:26, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Illuminated letters

Greetings, keepers of the eternal flame! Two quick questions: for longer background section, click [show] below.

Background

Background section: skip to quick questions below when bored. Some while ago I randomly found a somewhat cryptic poem while on some other quest, it's been sitting on my user page for several years. I recently discovered the poetaster's identity and all the names (I think) in the poem, and Harold Everett Porter was the result. While assessing the finished verses, I thought that it could do with some sort of artistic embellishment, imagining a frame of some type as a surround; meantime I incorporated some initial letters pro tem. into the overall effect. While digging deeper into the man's life (mostly golf-oriented), I discovered that he had donated, among other works of ephemeral content, a "sumptuous edition of Pausanias, of 1696" to the library of Wake Forest College c1922. The Pausanias article has a picture of a magnificent 15th century illuminated MS, and I realised I had perhaps found the basis (with some .jpg mashup etc.) for a frame to surround Porter's poem. The copy which I think Porter gave to the library was not quite as exquisite as WP's, but nevertheless (it is said) superb.

Questions

1. Question of WP rules/artistic judgement: Would the layout on the left at talk:Harold Everett Porter be acceptable for a poem within an article? The poem in its original format is just plain text (see ref), and the initial letters have no particular connection with the words except that they were created around the same time.
2. Purely technical question: Would it be possible to have the poem as 'live text', ie clickable blue WLs as it stands now, but surrounded by the frame of the Pausanias MS (on the right), as some sort of image? I know that backgrounds/wallpaper within articles are discouraged: but is it possible to have live article text 'floating' within/on top of/surrounded by a frame/image with a blank centre? My technical ability becomes vague from here on in. >MinorProphet (talk) 19:43, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

M opinions:

1. The layout with the illuminated letters is not appropriate for a Wikipedia article. You've done a good job there, keep it on your user page, by all means; but it is not "encyclopedic", and does not belong in an article.
2. Yes, I expect it would be technically possible. But it would not be suitable for an article.

Maproom (talk) 21:47, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

References

Contributing

Hi Wiki, as a longtime user I want to thank you for the service you provide.

I joined the community recently because I found an offensive word in a listing... Fortunately it was easy to edit / erase.

Now I'd like to contribute content, but quite frankly I find the process rather complicated (I don't have time for that).

As a registered user, is there a way to leave info / tips for others to do the editing / add content ?

Best Regards,

Cdn Rose Cdn Rose (talk) 20:14, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

@Cdn Rose: With all due respect, I think you should definitely get some more edits under your belt before giving others advice. I don't think anyone, after making two edits, understands our policies well enough to offer others advice. Jjamesryan (talk | contribs) 21:20, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

@Jjamesryan: I think @Cdn Rose: means that he would have information which could be added to articles, but that he feels perhaps slightly daunted by the process &/or cannot spare the time to get fully to grips with the editing process. It is always possible to suggest edits on the respective articles' talk-pages but a source would need to be provided also as others cannot be expected to search for reliable references. Eagleash (talk) 21:26, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

@Eagleash and Cdn Rose: Ah, sorry. Completely misunderstood the question. Jjamesryan (talk | contribs) 22:59, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

@Eagleashl thanks for your reply, as well as understanding my question. Daunted I am, as I type this I am not even certain if I am in the right place, or doing so correctly (it's taken me 10 minutes just to find this page again as I forgot to bookmark it).

The issue is on the following Wiki Page = Film industry in Hamilton, Ontario as well as several others that relate directly to specific films & tv shows being filmed in Hamilton. All have no reference to the recent issue in the community regarding the disruption of the film industry, and a ban on filming that was put into place August 2015, and then lifted... However restrictions now are in effect. (see for example this news article = http://www.chch.com/filming-ban-in-dundas-now-lifted/ ). Some of the film & tv show entries don't appear to have Wiki Talk Pgs associated with them. So still not clear if this info will ever get to someone who could do the edit / contribution. As I said in my original question, I don't mind passing along valuable info when I have it.. But I don't have the time to fiddle doing the actual input. Thanks, Cdn Rose Cdn Rose (talk) 22:50, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Cdn Rose. If you want to post to a talk page, and it doesn't exist, please just create it. --ColinFine (talk) 00:07, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

@Cdn Rose: Instead of bookmarking every article and help page here, it might be better to add them to your WP:watchlist or, if you know you made a change to a page recently, check your WP:contributions. Dismas|^(talk) 13:44, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi @Cdn Rose: - In case the above wasn't clear to you, because I often find Wikipedia jargon confusing. Each page has a "talk" page associated with it, where anyone can give comments about the article, throw out ideas, discuss how the article could be improved, etc. This is a good place to start if you aren't sure whether you want to actually edit the article directly yet. On the top of each article, next to the word "Article" there is "Talk," and you can click there. You'll see any current discussions. To add a new section and edit, you can click "New Section" on the top or just "edit" above any section. Type in what you want to say, then at the end type 4 tildes with no spaces (like ~ ~ ~ ~ but with no spaces) and it will auto-sign your message. Ideally, some others will come read what you have to say and contribute to the discussion or edit the article. Alternatively, if you are sure about your edits, you can edit the article directly. Most simple edits like adding text are fairly straightforward (just type in your changes and save). Things like double brackets [[ are used around things you want to link to another Wikipedia page. There are other formatting things for bold, italics, etc. If you have references, you can type [less than sign]ref [greater than sign] url goes here [less than sign]/ ref [greater than sign] and it will create a simple citation for you. And you can always click "show preview" to test that it looks alright before you save. While it's best to cite everything, any enhancements to articles are usually appreciated if you don't have time to cite, provided that it is reliable, notable material that could be found in reputable sources, especially if uncontroversial/minor. (I might get yelled at for saying that, but I don't cite all my edits). Hope that helps. -KaJunl (talk) 19:50, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi @KaJunl - Your above post / info very helpful. Thank you. And for also for reading & understanding what i was trying to say (i was merely giving an example, as per others questions... Had no intent of using the Help Pg to list all my suggestions). As a new user, I do find Wiki editing not intuitive easy to use as i might have hoped. So, believe I will take the easy route and just post my findings on the Wiki Talk Page = Film industry in Hamilton, Ontario page... And hopefully at some point in time someone else will incorporate the info in an edit... Seems that the Wki Pg has a lot of issues in regards to objective content as it is / reads like a PR page as per a coment I read on it's Talk Pg (originally i wanted to put my info & reference on a page specific to a particular tv program filming in Hamilton, but that page is way out of date... And the corresponding Talk Pg seems to redirect to a Tv Project Page... Whatever that is). Again more layers of confusion for this newbie. And sorry, unlike one of the suggestions above, I don't have a clue as a New User how to create a Talk Page, nor do I have the time / interest. Too bad Wiki is so complex (although I understand why for consistency across the board) otherwise I may have stuck around longer. For now I'll just take comfort knowing that I can make comments / suggestions / provide important info & reference links on the Talk pages, and hopefully someone else will be inspired to take up the cause & carry thru on updating articles. And I'll still feel like I was able to contribute, and make a difference, albeit very small. I now certainly have a greater respect for those who Edit on this valuable platform. Thanks for all you do, and taking the time to reach out to me here with a detailed reply. Much appreciated. Cdn Rose Cdn Rose (talk) 18:38, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Gathering content for an article

I want to start writing articles on musicians and bands. Is it acceptable if I go out and interview them in order to gather info? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zakhelem (talk • contribs) 20:24, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Not unless that interview is then published in a reliable source. Otherwise, it's just your original research. Dismas|^(talk) 20:59, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes, like Dismas says, there isn't really an easy way to include your own research on Wikipedia. I think Wikinews might accept band interviews. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:49, 9 March 2016 (UTC)