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November 15

Create The 2016-17 NCAA Football Bowl Game Template

Can You Create The 2016-17 NCAA Football Bowl Game Template Please.2600:8803:7A00:19:105E:D7AC:BF4D:6047 (talk) 00:29, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

• Hello. We generally use the Template:Infobox college football bowl season for such bowl games. You can use the same too. Lourdes 13:57, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Christian Darnton

Please help reference number 1 - the author should have 2 dots over the letter 'u' in his surname Jurgen. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 02:03, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Srbernadette, I got it. Thanks for the notice! Did you know that you can fix this yourself? Just hit "edit this page" at the top of the screen, and you'll be able to fix errors like this easily: change the text that appears in the big white box, and then hit the "Save changes" button at the bottom. Even if you can't type the correct character (like here, maybe), it's often easy to find it somewhere else and copy/paste it; in this case, the source URL has his name at the bottom left, so you can copy the ü character and paste it into the article. Nyttend (talk) 02:06, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

The name for those dots is an umlaut. †dismas†|^(talk) 03:15, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Christian Darnton

Please check ref - which I did not do - number 5 (a strange resource). Please leave in quotes. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 02:13, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Yes you did, here. Having said that it seems OK. Eagleash (talk) 11:00, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

It is not. Like so many cs1 templates that this user writes, it is flawed. In this case:

The user has made the title to be something that it is not:

|title=A Heritage of 20th Century British Music - Christian Darnton (1905-1981)

The user has included information belonging to other parameters into |publisher=; in this case |date= and |page=:

|publisher=Universal Music Publishing Classical, 2015 - Page 12

—Trappist the monk (talk) 11:24, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Oops my bad...I missed that. Now fixed. Eagleash (talk) 11:48, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Request kindly consider the following reforms in main merger & Earn Rewards

merge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dirac_function_approximation.gif in main merger 740 Sea land Shipping reemerge — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.245.132.61 (talk) 02:57, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Two earlier, and equally incomprehensible, versions of this request were posted from the same IP address, and deleted by General Ization. Maproom (talk) 09:25, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

wikilinks in the references

Hi, Is it proper style to add a wikilink inside a citation? For instance, I noticed this on the page about James Chanos. Thanks.DonnaHZ (talk) 06:00, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

If a publisher or author etc. has a Wiki page, it is common for the link to be included in a reference. The page is, however, proposed for deletion so it may change in this instance. Eagleash (talk)

References

Template for help regarding foreign language citations

I'm looking at the Citroën CX page, and in the lede it says "The CX was also the final successful model of the "big Citroën" era, which began in 1934." - and is backed up by the attached ref. I'm not sure of this claim though - the Citroën XM was the direct successor, and whilst not a runaway success it did sell over 300,000 units. But I don't understand the reference language - Danish maybe? So how do I request or tag the reference for clarity as it's in another language? Chaheel Riens (talk) 09:45, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

References

• Hello Chaheel Riens, the best place to ask source queries is either the talk page of the respective article (you can challenge the source and request clarification, per our verifiability policy), and/or the reliable sources noticeboard. Having said that, the source you refer to says the following: "Den Store Citroën blev født på en ikke helt klarlagt dato i 1938 som Citroën TA 15H, og antog mange former og gestalter indtil den døde den 20. december 2012 i skikkelse af Citroën C6, 74 år gamble," which, loosely translated, would mean that Citroën TA 15H was the first model and Citroën C6 was the last model (with 74 years between them till 20 December 2012, when it closed production). The source does mention that the CX was very successful, and that the XM, its successor, was a disaster ("XM var en katastrofe"). Nevertheless, if you are interested, take the issue up on the talk page of the article (or the source to RSN). Thanks. Lourdes 02:56, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Christian Darnton

I did not do this edit. But it -reference 8 - looks wrongly done to me. Please fix thank you. 101.182.180.24 (talk) 11:33, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

 Done Eagleash (talk) 11:54, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Cite error

Hello. I've found numerous pages plagued by this error. Example: MOBB. At the bottom it says, "Cite error: A ref tag is missing the closing ref (see the help page).". I've only seen it on pages with Korean text. I can't find where the issue is. Hope someone can help, and please ping me. Thanks. --Jennica✿ ^Talk 12:59, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

• Jennica hello. See Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref to understand the error. I've corrected the error in MOBB. The error is exactly how it is described, and occurs when the <ref> and </ref> tags are not closed out properly. Thanks. Lourdes 13:54, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Jennica - That error was actually created by text at the top of the Template:Ikon and was added to the template yesterday, in this diff, which I have reverted. Are there any more pages with this problem? - please note you may need to WP:Purge pages with this template on, before the new version can be seen. - Arjayay (talk) 13:57, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

@Arjayay: actually i think the problem was a space inbetween the }} in the "cite web" references, that's why I couldn't find the error. it's not really because there is a ref tag left open.--Jennica✿ ^Talk 14:03, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

No, it was clearly the Template. If you go to the diff I provided, you can see the error message above the template, if you click "← Older edit" you can see that it was not present before that edit, and if you click "Newer edit →" (twice) you can see that removing the text removed the error message. Before making the removal, I looked at other pages using the template, (e.g. Dumb & Dumber (single)) and they all had the same warning - which disappeared when I altered the template. - Arjayay (talk) 14:12, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

How to make a wikipedia page

Hi there,

Could you let me know the procedure to make a wikipedia page. I would like to make one for my client.

Thanks & Regards, Deepak N P. Nprdesign (talk) 13:20, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

• Hello Nprdesign. Please read Wikipedia's COI guidelines to understand why you should not create pages for your client. Please read Wikipedia's username policy to understand why your user name is going to be blocked in some time from now. Please choose a name that is not promotional. Come back here for further assistance. Lourdes 14:00, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Person claiming to have written a song I wtote

A Mr Edward R Williams constantly claims to have written Liverpool football club fans song "fields of anfield road" there is documented proof that Mr Gary ferguson from Huyton Liverpool did in fact write the original wording, stated in a book written by Nicky allt "the boys from the Mersey " where I states so , also on all hillsborough charity cds it clearly states and thanks mr Gary ferguson for allowing the use of the song and words Mr ferguson wrote, Mr Edwards is not the author and is posting false information I have altered the post several times but he changes it back as soon as it's altered — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.30.173.46 (talk) 15:20, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Convenience link - The Fields of Anfield Road

IP 62.30.173.46 - when you say "I have altered the post several times", the most recent changes were by a user called User:Fergpgsly You say there is documented proof - could you please be more specific. The book you refer to is published by Milo Books, which seems to specialize in books on "hooligans". I do not know if they would be considered a "reliable source", with a reputation for fact checking.

Although only a Wiki, liverpoolfc.wikia states:-

"The first two verses and chorus were written by Liverpool FC supporter from Huyton Liverpool , Gary ferguson, ..... the third verse - written by local musician John Power - was added in 2009 to commemorate the 20th anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster."

As it stands - the current claim for Edward R Williams is also unsourced, so I believe this should be removed until a reliable source can be cited. - Arjayay (talk) 15:46, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Fields of anfield road,

You state the book is not reliable, the cd that went on sale in the U.K., and in Norway both had the reference to Gary ferguson from Huyton, it is a common fact amongst fans in Liverpool who wtote the original wording — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.30.173.46 (talk) 20:53, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

No, I did not say "the book is not reliable" - I said "I do not know if they would be considered a "reliable source", with a reputation for fact checking." Some publishers simply publish whatever is submitted to them, without any editorial control - so the fact that something has been published "proves" nothing, whilst "common knowledge" is not acceptable either.
FWIW, I believe you, and have already removed the counter-claim, but we need a reliable source before adding anything back - Arjayay (talk) 11:00, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

least frequently updated pages?

Is there somewhere I can view a list of pages that haven't been updated in years? I tried searching for the terms but I guess I'm having trouble putting it into words. --Jennica✿ ^Talk 15:34, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

• Special:AncientPages. Lourdes 16:07, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

• That includes disambiguation pages, which in general nobody should be editing unless something new by that name has come along since. I suspect Wikipedia:Dusty articles is what you're actually looking for. ‑ Iridescent 16:48, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

• "That includes disambiguation pages, which in general nobody should be editing unless something new by that name has come along since." Jennica, while what Iridescent is mentioning may be kept in mind, there's no general policy or guideline which prohibits editors from editing disambiguation pages like that. You should keep our editorial guidelines in mind and give a quick read to WP:Disambiguation if you haven't already. Otherwise, go ahead and feel free to edit. We assume good faith. Also, the page WP:Dusty articles is manually maintained (the last edit was from an IP) and just escaped an Mfd. So double check the entries. If you want a list without disambiguation pages or redirects (as an editor, it's your discretion of course), the better place to see would be Wikipedia:Database reports/Forgotten articles than WP:Dusty articles. Thanks. Lourdes 02:18, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

• Er yes, Lourdes, both myself and Jennica are aware of how Wikipedia works; she's been an editor here for eleven years, and I'm a former arbitrator, checkuser and oversighter; you don't need to give us patronising explanations of "anyone can edit" and "assume good faith" or order us to "keep our editorial guidelines in mind". ‑ Iridescent 08:10, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

• Iridescent, hello. You perhaps misread my explanation to Jennica. I apologize if it sounded patronizing to you; Jennica has already thanked me for my support much before you responded, and I'm thankful to her for that. Our intent at Help Desk is to guide whoever requests help, irrespective of their experience or tenure; that is one reason my statement of "there's no general policy or guideline which prohibits editors from editing disambiguation pages like that" was tempered with a qualification: "what Iridescent is mentioning may be kept in mind". There's no question of bringing into disrepute your background of being a former arbitrator, checkuser and oversighter through my help desk suggestions. Your experience is much valued and respected by all here, and more so by editors like me. Please don't hesitate to ask me for any assistance that you may require, or ping me on my talk page any time you wish. Thanks. Lourdes 09:41, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Picture Removal due to 'Permission Error'

Hi there,

I'm a new Wikipedia user and I was wondering if somebody could assist me as I am having trouble adding a photograph on a Wikipedia page. The photograph I was hoping to add to a particular page was of the Italian Ambassador's residence which I sourced from Wikimedia Commons. However, when I went to view it after saving, a link appeared which informed me there was a 'permission error' for some reason.

The URL for the article in question is as follows; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucan,_Dublin

If somebody could inform me what my error is I would greatly appreciate it. PucaPower (talk) 16:51, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi PucaPower
I don't understand your 'permission error' message, but the formatting of the file was incorrect - this diff shows the text as you left it, and how I altered it for the picture to show - User:Yunshui/Images for beginners is a good, basic, tutorial on images which should answer most of your questions if you get stuck again - Arjayay (talk) 17:06, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi Arjayay, thank you for helping with that and for the link! I don't understand what it means either, I'm not an admin but I am a registered user so I thought it would let me add a photo. Was it something wrong with the photograph or the way I added it perhaps? I hope it is easily fixed because I was hoping to add more. PucaPower (talk) 17:22, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) :If you got it from Commons there's a link towards the top of the page, 'use this file' with the Wikipedia logo. It will give you a link to insert on a Wiki page and you can then 'pipe' for thumb and caption. Eagleash (talk) 17:26, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for that advice Eagleash, that would actually save me a lot of trouble rather than keep copying and pasting. PucaPower (talk) 17:53, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

2017-18 United States Network Television Schedule

Can You Create The 2017-18 United States Network Television Schedule I Think there was one show cancelled but can you create it right now.2600:8803:7A00:19:105E:D7AC:BF4D:6047 (talk) 18:37, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

No because we're not a not a TV directory. Also that far in the future is pure speculation. Joseph2302 18:44, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

ProveIt

Not sure where to ask this but wasn't ProveIt better before. Is there a way to use the old one. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 20:31, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Apparently there is a "ProveIT Classic" gadget available to enable the previous version. See Wikipedia_talk:ProveIt RudolfRed (talk) 21:42, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 22:06, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

2017 NCAA Division I FBS football season

Can you Please start the 2017 NCAA Division I FBS football season now. 2600:8803:7A00:19:105E:D7AC:BF4D:6047 (talk) 22:01, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

The 2016 season isn't even close to over yet, has there been some news on what is happening next season? uhhlive (talk) 22:24, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Probably too soon. Please stop asking for articles about things well in the future. When we're nearer the time, I'm sure they'll get articles. Joseph2302 22:29, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm Sad To See The season end in 3 Weeks. But Next Weekend is my final college Football season finale. But It's time to Think About Next Season. But Till Then I'm Moving On to College Basketball Which will start for Me On Dec 3.2600:8803:7A00:19:40D1:679:EB82:61E0 (talk) 21:19, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Predecessors and successors in infoboxes

As a general rule, should a politician's predecessors and successors be included in their infobox? Past precedent would appear to indicate as much (e.g Barack Obama; Winston Churchill), but I'm having a hard time convincing people over at Talk:Michael Portillo. I'd be interested to hear people's opinions. Best wishes, Specto73 (talk) 22:40, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

• Specto73, hello. As much as I can see, the debate is about not duplicating information that already is mentioned at the bottom of the said article (or somewhere below, as I can understand). In my opinion, including predecessors and successors to politicians is an imperative in the mobile era, because an infobox comes right at the top of the article in the mobile view, while few editors have smartphones (or the patience to scroll down) that can parse the template boxes at the bottom of any article containing the same information. As an Rfc has already been started on the talk page of the said article, I am confident that more editors would comment and consensus would become clearer. Thanks. Lourdes 02:33, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

@Lourdes: Thanks. If you had the time, I'd be very grateful if you could drop on by and vote 'Yes' yourself. Thanks again, Specto73 (talk) 20:35, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi Specto73, if you're okay with it, I wouldn't wish to get involved in a discussion, which would require more research and commitment of time, something I am short of right now. Hope you're okay with it. Thanks. Lourdes 01:31, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

How do seek feedback on content in my sandbox before I publish it?

Hello,

I have to edit a Wikipedia page for a seminar I am taking. I have written and posted the content I would like to contribute in my personal "sandbox." I would like for it to be checked to ensure it fits with the Wikipedia guidelines before I publish it publicly. Can I do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MirandaMcQuade (talk • contribs) 23:18, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

I see you have gone ahead and copied it to Naïm Kattan. I have done a bit of fixup on your garbled section headers and added a References section. —teb728 t c 23:55, 15 November 2016 (UTC)