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Sihanoukville (city) has two styles of image caption

I doubt that it's intentional, but, somehow, the captions for the images in the above article vary: some are in boldface type; the rest are "normal". Why is that?--Quisqualis (talk) 00:50, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

• Because someone edited this as if it were a travel brochure, and thought that bold would help... Drmies (talk) 01:36, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

I left a message on his Talk page.--Quisqualis (talk) 05:27, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Editing my entry

How do I edit my entry? My birthdate is incoorect (1949 not 1050) and other features are incomplete. Not clear to me who drafted this stub ebtry. GB — Preceding unsigned comment added by Borgida (talk • contribs) 01:05, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

• Who are you? Drmies (talk) 01:06, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
• Really, tell us the name of the article, Borgida, as there is no Wikipedia article called "Borgida".--Quisqualis (talk) 01:10, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
• Dr. Borgida, our entry on you at Eugene Borgida does not have your birth year. However, when you search your name on Google, the 1950 year of birth that you see within the Google infobox on the right, is not being sourced from Wikipedia; only the initial descriptive paragraph that Google shows within the infobox is being sourced from Wikipedia. You'll have to take this up with Google by clicking on the "Feedback" link below the infobox. Thanks, Lourdes 05:20, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@Borgida: Google probably got 1950 from your Wikidata entry, which has your birthday (year only) as 1950. a Wikidata robot added it, probably from one of the various bibliographical databases listed in the "authority control" table in your article. Sorry to send you on a wild goose chase, but Wikidata is a separate project and I do not know how it works. Please ask at their help desk. If you cannot make any headway over there, come back here and we can learn how to do this together. You can go to the wikidata item from the link in the left-hand column of the article display on a desktop browser.-Arch dude (talk) 05:42, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks Arch dude. I couldn't confirm the date in any references. So I've removed the wiki data item for now. Lourdes 06:12, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

The Wikidata item said the reference was https://viaf.org/viaf/52013546. Expanding "Record views" there and clicking "VIAF Cluster in XML" gives https://viaf.org/viaf/52013546/viaf.xml which says: "<ns1:birthDate>1950</ns1:birthDate>". PrimeHunter (talk) 10:44, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Taking this one step further, what can Dr. Borgida do to correct the VIAF database? It's not techically a Wikipedia problem or even a Wikidata problem, but we get legitimate complaints like this several times a year, and it would be nice to have a stock answer. -Arch dude (talk) 14:50, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

I found Wikipedia:VIAF/errors. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:50, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

• And all this probably has resulted in Google infobox also removing the year of birth. (At least, that's what it looks on my Google search). Thanks, Lourdes 05:46, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Alison Heather

Hello I am the partner of Alison Heather. A few months ago a probably well meaning person started Wikipages for Alison and several other women in academia in New Zealand. We are new to wikipedia but have been alarmed to find that anyone at all seems to be able to add and delete comments about Alison's life (a living person). What was at one time a reasonable but succinct paragraph about her career has now been trimmed to near nothing and, I think you call it "vandalised" by someone called "nauseated man" who is campaigning for transgenders. S/he has added upsetting accusations about Alison as "terf" (trans-exclusionary radical feminist) (I had to look it up) and persists in doing this despite my deleting it. Can we get this person (and no doubt other campaigners) banned from editing Alison's site? If this is not possible, we think the best thing is just to have the whole page deleted as we never wanted in the first place. Thanks Allan Herbison SD1914 (talk) 01:19, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

If Alison is notable enough as an academic to merit an article, we will not delete the article because she or some third party disapproves of the content. We are, of course, always seeking to make our articles better. You need to begin by discussing the needed corrections on the talk page of the article, Talk:Alison Heather. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:24, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Orangemike, I removed the comment--I don't know about "inflammatory" and all that, but I also don't see how it's relevant--it seems to me to be a rather weak attempt to smear. Drmies (talk) 01:25, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

I have removed a similar sentence from Rosa Freedman per WP:SYNTHESIS .[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 10:48, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@SD1914: Wikipedia is supposed to rely on reliable sources. Statements that are validly cited to reliable sources should in general be retained (See WP:RS), and uncited material can be removed by any editor, usually after discussion. Statements about living people are held to a higher standard (See WP:BLP) and uncited material in any article must be removed by any editor, without discussion: a discussion can then take place on the article talk page about whether a reliable source can be found before the statement can be re-instated. If this leads to a content dispute, see WP:DISPUTE. If a vandal is involved, see WP:AIV. -Arch dude (talk) 01:41, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks to everyone for their advice and help with this. We are certainly having our eyes opened to Wikipaedia. I remain amazed that a living person has no control over whether they have a page on Wikipedia, not to mention its content. Very open to abuse by any individual, as has been the case here.SD1914 (talk) 00:54, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

I think that Wikipedia:AUTOPROB may be helpful as it covers this situation specifically. Whether there is a page about a person, generally the only question is whether the person is notable enough for a page, for which any person can propose deletion on that line. As for changes to the page, the range goes from reverting vandalism (which this is close to, but may not reach) to challenging sources (If the New York Times published that you were born in 1972 and your drivers license/passport says 1980, there are ways that *that* can be verified. I'll be happy to add that page to my watchlist. Thank you for coming here.Naraht (talk) 14:43, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

How to add pictures

Hi, I would like to add a picture of my anus to the article about anuses. I own the picture so there would be no copyright problem. Can someone help me figure out how to do this? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spinsalat (talk • contribs) 03:14, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

You could start a discussion at Talk:Anus about this, after you've figured out how to upload images. Lourdes 04:50, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@Spinsalat: the only contribution you have ever made to Wikipedia is to ask this question; which article are you referring to? --Gronk Oz (talk) 06:12, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Probably Human anus would be the relevant article: but this already has pictures, and we wouldn't want more unless the extra pictures really provided information or understanding not already present: Bhunacat10 (talk), 10:12, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

- I think we're being trolled - Internet troll - Epinoia (talk) 16:52, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Humorous but off-topic

An open letter to the internet from Trolls United Against Defamation: First an introduction. What I'd like to talk about are "Trolls". We have been much maligned over the years but have decided to come out from under our "bridges" and once again take our rightful place in society. Many of you older readers may remember the friendly little man who lived under the courthouse steps in your home town, he was a well-liked and respected member of the community, your parents approved of his occupation and understood that "it was a tough job, but someone had to do it". In small town America in the '50s no one questioned the valuable place your local trolls played in society. Readers who grew up in the '60s may remember being distraught by Oppie's special friend Max's sudden disappearance from Mayberry after the actor who played him was blacklisted following the McCarthy hearings. Let me try and explain the whole sordid story as briefly as possible. It all started with what we trolls commonly refer to as "the goat incident". Back in the spring of 1957 there were wild press reports from Eastern Europe about a poor hungry troll eating some goats who woke him up while sleeping under a bridge. Naturally the press blew it way out of proportion, and someone noticed that not only were there trolls behind the iron curtain, but here in the US too. Joseph McCarthy (a lawyer!) came out of retirement and started up 'HURT' the 'House Un-American Reaction to Trolls' - Trolls were subpoenaed, question, publicly vilified and driven from their occupations all across the country, in the south trolls were driven from town by the KKK on horseback. Those trolls whom survived moved to the wilder parts of the country to hide out. Some even moved north to Canada. At the time our knowledge of ecology and ecosystems was not advanced enough to predict the horrible results this would cause. As the Soviets were finding out by the '60s if you take away its usual prey a predator will turn elsewhere. They banned lawyers in most communist countries, which of course explains the plight of that poor hungry troll under that bridge that started this whole mess. After banning Trolls, the US is now suffering from a most horrible scourge. Just like removing the wolves from Yellowstone resulted in Elk herds that multiplied out of control and devastated the grazing for all other species, taking your local troll out from his usual place below the courthouse steps has resulted in lawyers multiplying completely out of control with dire consequences to all parts of society. We intend to once again become the respected useful members of society our parents and grandparents were. And after much soul-searching we realized that we would need good legal council. As you might imagine this was hard to come by, so we decided that we needed to train some of our own people in the law. I, and my colleagues, worked our way through law school, it was hard, we suffered under much discrimination from the faculty, we spent long nights suffering working through the law books, and days resisting temptation in class. In the end we graduated top of our class - in fact in that year we were the only ones who survived graduated. We moved into private practice as "Troll, Troll, Troll and Bandicoot" mostly doing civil rights law for other trolls. Recently you may have heard of the very substantial out of court settlement we received from the Tolkien estate in our libel case. We intend to use this money to fund future legal work for our clients. Which brings me to the main purpose of this letter. it has come to our attention that some people on the internet have been using the name "troll" in a negative, derogatory manner. This must stop immediately. Along with our co-litigants the Spam Industry Council we are today serving a class action suit, on behalf of all trolls everywhere, on all people who have participated in the practice of 'trolling'. We were lucky that the law firm behind Rightscorp after some initial reluctance were yummy able to help us in searching Wikipedia's edit history to discover the perpetrators and to electronically serve all those who were found responsible. I hope that this will be the end of this matter. Thank you for your attention Timothy T. Troll Attorney at Law Troll, Troll, Troll, and Bandicoot --Guy Macon (talk) 18:07, 21 March 2019 (UTC) Guy, have you thought about submitting this to Fantasy & Science Fiction or a similar magazine? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.203.195} 90.200.138.194 (talk) 21:51, 21 March 2019 (UTC) – did you mean as well as adding it to a Wikipedia help page, or instead of ...?: Bhunacat10 (talk), 23:56, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

element of political science

The First amendment to the American constitution also lawfully secures __ and __? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.205.112.153 (talk) 09:55, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

If you wish to improve a particular Wikipedia article, you are welcome to either edit the article yourself, or post a suggestion on that article's talk page. In either case be sure to cite one or more reliable sources in support of any information you are adding or changing. I've sent you a "welcome message" including links that may help you learn more about Wikipedia: Bhunacat10 (talk), 10:17, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Winifred Holtby

Winifred Holtby's South African connections are little known outside South Africa. In 1926 she spent six months in the country as a lecturer for the League of Nations Union. While there she met Clements Kadalie, the leader of the black trade union, the Industrial and Commercial Workers Union (ICU). Here she seems to have found the cause she had been seeking, that would enable her to pay the debt that she felt that she owed to humanity for her own good fortune.

On her return to England Holtby threw herself into the task of finding the ICU an advisor who could help Kadalie and the ICU to negotiate the racist landscape of South African trade unionism. As a result of her efforts, a Scot, William Ballinger, went out to South Africa to assist Kadalie. Although the ICU was already collapsing under the weight of racist opposition and internal corruption, Ballinger remained committed to the cause of South African black people. In this he was greatly assisted by Winifred Holtby who worked hard to raise funds, especially through the Independent Labour Party, to pay him a meagre salary. Before she died her work was partly institutionalised in an organisation, 'The Friends of Africa' which, under the aegis of Arthur Creech Jones, would enable her work in South Africa to continue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elizabethboudina (talk • contribs) 11:49, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@Elizabethboudina: Hello, do you have a question about how to use or edit Wikipedia? If so please provide a link to any page where you are encountering difficulty. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 12:20, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

References

New article- Romanian singer Bibi

Hi. I was created a new article about Romanian singer and vlogger Bibi, the article has sources of good faith. What's the next step to see the article on Wikipedia? Please help me. Thanks a lot. VladMihai1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by VladMihai1 (User Draft:VladMihai1 • contribs) 11:54, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

It seems you've already figured out how to submit it for review. Eagleash (talk) 12:26, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Your draft has been submitted for review, and (as it says in the brown box) it will hopefully be reviewed within about 2 months. While you are waiting, one thing which you can do to help reviewers is to address the fact that your references are bare URLs. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:51, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Quebec City Summer Festival

Quebec City Summer Festival (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hello

 On the page   ""Quebec City Summer Festival"", we want to change the name for ""FEQ""

The music festival name is officially FEQ now

www.feq.ca/en

Who change the name of the page ?

Thank you for your answer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dave.paige (talk • contribs) 12:24, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@Dave.paige: Move requested at Talk:Quebec_City_Summer_Festival. FEQ is currently used as a redirect so I needed administrator help. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:03, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

St. Joseph High School (Victoria, Texas)

The facts about our school on the right margin of our wikipedia pages are not able to be edited. How can we access this information to correct it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shandeejharrell (talk • contribs) 13:52, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

You forgot to give us a link to the page about which you were taling. If it is St. Joseph High School (Victoria, Texas), there is no protection to stop you editing, so just click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the page. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:56, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) They are not your wikipedia pages, they are Wikipedia's page about you. You need to read and follow WP:COI if you are connected to the school, and if you are a member of staff then also WP:PAID. What you can do immediately is go to the talk page and state what the errors are and where someone can check up on your corrections. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 14:01, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

How To Use Template like " PAGENAME/Template:Templatename " ?

I want to create a template like " PAGENAME/Template:Templatename " but I don't kwon how to cite it ( The {{PAGENAME/Templatename}} would cite the Template:PAGENAME/Templatename ), does anyone know how to cite the Template? --HFWMan (talk) 14:10, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@HFWMan: I don't know what you mean. PAGENAME/Template:Templatename would be a mainspace page. Mainspace is for articles and not templates, and mainspace does not have subpages. If you want to transclude a mainspace page then place a colon in front, e.g. {{:Example}} to transclude Example. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:22, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter::I mean how to use the subtemplate Template:Templatename of the PAGENAME/Template:Templatename ? --HFWMan (talk) 14:26, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@HFWMan: I still don't know what you mean. If PAGENAME does not start with "Template:" then PAGENAME/Template:Templatename is not a template or subtemplate, and adding /Template:Templatename to a pagename is not how we make subtemplates anyway. Template:HD/image is an example of a subtemplate. It's transcluded with {{HD/image}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:51, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: OK, it seems that only a subpage of a user page (like Pagename of the user:Richard/Pagename) could be regarded as a template by MediaWiki ( as {{user:Richard/Pagename}} ).--HFWMan (talk) 14:56, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@HFWMan: user:Richard/Pagename is a subpage but not a subtemplate. Any wiki page can be transcluded with {{...}}. The only special cases are mainspace where you need a colon {{:...}} and "Template:..." where you can omit "Template:". PrimeHunter (talk) 15:07, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks for your patient support, with your help, I finally created a {{Notice}} subpage for its mother page. Thank you very much. --HFWMan (talk) 15:21, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

You didn't create it here with your account but if it works wherever you created it then good. Maybe it's at a wiki which uses other terminology and pagename rules. This help desk is for the English Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:31, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Atheist Wikipedia?

Wikipedia is also a atheist website? this article and some other articles says that Gods and religions are myths, so Wikipedia is also a atheist website? 168.0.233.64 (talk) 16:03, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Myth#Definitions mentions different definitions and includes: "However, as commonly used by folklorists and academics in other relevant fields, such as anthropology, the term myth has no implication whether the narrative may be understood as true or otherwise." Wikipedia has a neutral point of view and generally does not claim that religious beliefs are true or false, although we have five million articles and there may be exceptions. Many articles about science are based on scientific sources and do not always mention that the content may be inconsistent with some religious beliefs. For example, many science articles say something happened longer ago than the age of the universe according to Young Earth creationism. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:15, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

As PrimeHunter hinted to, you might have a simple vocabulary confusion. For instance, we have a page about national myths. Nobody in their right senses would say the Boston Tea Party or the Expedition of the Thousand have not happened; however, those events have a lasting impact on American and Italian culture and politics. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:42, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

I think it is worth remembering that Wikipedia is an evidence-based project, and articles about religious subjects will reflect that lack of evidence. Roxy, the dog. wooF 16:47, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Uploaded SVG files

Hi folks, I have uploaded some SVG files, e.g. [2] which is showing as black. I have one on an article which is also showing as black, even though I have several other svg on the same article. Any ideas what could be causing it. scope_creep^Talk 18:24, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@Scope creep: I'm not a graphics expert, but noticed that it's an .svg, and the others are .png. For interested editors, it's in this section Luftnachrichten_Abteilung_350#Operations_in_the_east. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:32, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

It seems SVG is standard on here. I dont mind uploading png, but what is the point. It would fix it certainly. A whole lot of the images on Luftnachrichten Abteilung 350 are SVG. scope_creep^Talk 18:56, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@Scope creep: Inkscape produces flowed text, which is not part of the SVG standard. Some browers and other programs render it as desired, and some do not. If you created the SVG file, then fix it. If not, then you are forced to find a propgram that can render it. See c:Help:SVG. -Arch dude (talk) 19:03, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@Arch dude: I created the SVG from a diagram using Visio 2016. The diagram was created in Visio. It has created several SVG files in the last few weeks, and they are all good and I have created a couple in between the last black image. Is it a font problem? Its using Calibri 14pt. scope_creep^Talk 19:07, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@Scope creep: I don't use Visio, so I don't know. However, your symptoms sound suspiciously similar to the Inkscape problem as described at c:Help:SVG Read the "black rectangle" section of that document. You can use a text editor to search for the "flowRoot" in the .svg file. If you find it, then it's the same problem and amenable to the same solutions. -Arch dude (talk) 23:53, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@Arch dude: Thanks. Indeed it seems to be a known problem going back more than 12+ years, evidenced in several different products. I will take a look. scope_creep^Talk 01:08, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

@Arch dude: I found an image I upload several days ago at Red Orchestra (espionage)#Networking. I put the XML markup at User:Scope creep/temp sandbox for the Sukolov Group Belgium.svg. I doesn't have that property. scope_creep^Talk 01:28, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Links without https and without underscores

Sometimes I want to link to some past thread, like this:

• Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Science/2015_September_18#Poisoning_from_wood_when_smoking_meat

I know using the ext link url like this is not good.

It should properly look like this:

• Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Science/2015 September 18#Poisoning from wood when smoking meat.

Is there a way to make that without manually removing all those underscores. (I actually use a notepad macro, but seek a better way.)

Many thanks,

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:08, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Anna Frodesiak, The fastest way would probably be to copy-paste the title, manually add the #, then copy-paste from the Table of contents. WelpThatWorked (talk) 20:27, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, WelpThatWorked. If that is the best Wikipedia can do, then I will probably post at the Village pump to see of someone can make a script or something. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:30, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Anna Frodesiak, Given that underscores aren't used in titles anyway, It should be easy to write a simple text replace script to do it. I may even be able to cobble a quick tool together, but it depends how exactly you want it to function (E.G. A button in the sidebar that pops up a text box to convert it, or something else?) WelpThatWorked (talk) 21:13, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi WelpThatWorked. Good question. I'm not sure. What do you think would be easiest to use? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:57, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

I think having a sidebar button that opens a small text bar with a button to enact the formatting should be good. Another option is a pop up box like twinkle, but that may be worse. A third, harder to code option is to make a script that adds a button next to each heading to copy the wikilink to your clipboard. The first is more of a stopgap solution than anything, but I think I myself might use the third option. I'm going to look into making the third one. WelpThatWorked (talk) 18:59, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi WelpThatWorked. I just posted here. I'm happy with what you suggest. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:52, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Teensy survey

Is the above something that you encounter and would like to be easier? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:30, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

• ′′′support′′′ I manually remove the underscore. What would also be nice is if the three consecutive apostrophes that you can manually insert using the symbol bar at the bottom using a mobile device actually performed like they did on the desktop and bolded one’s text. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:44, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
• A related problem is when there are reserved characters in the section title, such as square brackets:

[[User_talk:GreenC#This_is_a_[test]_section_title]]

Remove the [test] brackets:

User_talk:GreenC#This_is_a_test_section_title

A template to display section titles cleanly would be good.. even better the option to paste in the full URL (lazy cut and paste) and it will display only the section title with a wikilink instead of URL link. -- GreenC 22:25, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Script created

User:DannyS712/Easy-link

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:01, 24 March 2019 (UTC)