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October 28

Whitespace in the Bangkok lede on Chrome

Anyone else see a giant paragraphs-long whitespace after the word "uprisings" and before "The city grew rapidly" in the Bangkok article. I see it in Chrome on Mac OSX, but not Safari. Anyone know what's going on there? I don't see any errant clear tags, etc. Brycehughes (talk) 00:58, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Looks ok on Windows Chrome. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:10, 28 October 2019 (UTC).

Also looks ok to me on Windows Chrome. There were similar reports with no resolution at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 176#Woolworth Building. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:09, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Okay, I suppose I'll leave it at that then. Thanks all. Brycehughes (talk) 18:26, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Computer-aided engineering

The section Overview needs an overhaul, if anyone can spare the time. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:07, 28 October 2019 (UTC).

@Rich Farmbrough: You're better off posting on the article's talk page. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 06:48, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, you may be right, but no-one has commented there since 2012. Thanks also to CaptainEek, for fixing it. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 09:32, 28 October 2019 (UTC).

Facebook page

Could someone make contact with the owner/managers of the official Facebook page of Glengallan Homestead & Heritage Centre.

Your (unofficial) G�lengallan Homestead Facebook page is causing confusion among people wishing to post to ours. Also there is incorrect information on your page, specifically in relation to the heritage listing citation which is currently being reviewed to address inaccuracies/currency of information.

Is it possible to have a merge< Or for you to remove your unofficial "Glengallan Homestead" site?

We are a not-for profit staffed and administered by volunteers We would appreciate assistance/contact

DON�NA� F�RASER Chair, Glengallan Homestead Trust Ltd info@glengallan.com.au — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.128.107.180 (talk) 01:52, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

I added a header to your question. We have nothing to do with Facebook. You will need to reach out to either the page owners or to Facebook to help. RudolfRed (talk) 02:22, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Wikidata updates showing on Wikipedia

Hi,

If we update a company name on Wikidata, will it be refreshed at Wikipedia? if not, how can we refresh a company name on Wikipedia.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TORM (talk • contribs) 09:21, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

You would have to move the article, and change any relevant text. Be careful, though, Wikipedia is not for promoting a new corporate identity. The name of the article should follow WP:COMMONNAME for example, and historic references should remain accurate. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 09:34, 28 October 2019 (UTC).

Also TORM, please note that 1) if you are associated with the company, then you should declare this fact, and should not edit the article directly (see COI and PAID); and if the company in question is Dampskibsselskabet Torm, you must change your user name. Wikipedia accounts are individual, and must not give the impression that they exist on behalf of any organisation: see WP:SHAREDACCOUNT. --ColinFine (talk) 09:43, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Removing issue banner

I am new to Wiki and I want to help improve some of the content I have found. I found a page with these issues:

-A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. (July 2017) -This biography of a living person needs additional citations for verification. (November 2016)

I tried updating the page with additional citations and information, and as I have no close connection with the subject, I thought it would be OK to remove the issue banner but it seems to have reappeared.

How can I improve what I've done to remove this issue banner? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joebeebee (talk • contribs) 12:05, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@Joebeebee: Your removal of the templates was undone reverted by Melcous (pinging Melcous, in case they would wish to comment) with the edit summary "revert removal of maintenance templates without addressing issues". Although you added 2 citations, they do not appear to deal with the sources issue any more than partly (at best) and do not address the WP:COI issue at all. Some helpful links will be left at your talk page. If an edit is reverted you can discuss the matter, preferably at the article talk page Ping the other editor. Or, you can leave a message at their talk page. Provide a link to pages you wish to discuss and (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 12:23, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

How authority management is created ?

There are articles with and without authority management, but how are they different? I also want to create an authority management column for the article I am writing, but I don't know how. Is it possible to create authority management with ISBN: data? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.169.16.95 (talk) 12:29, 28 October 2019 (UTC) --111.169.16.95 (talk) 12:31, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Authority control and {{Authority control}}. Authority control does not use ISBN. {{ISBN}} will link a page like ISBN 0-7475-3269-9. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:44, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

New submission

Hello, I'm stuck since I'm 75 years old and because your program is not intuitive, I cannot follow your complicated directions but think that the bio that I wrote in my SandBox last month of Frank Gorell (French hornist, industrialist, benefactor, advocate) is a very important addition to Wiki's biographies.

I did click to submit to a Wiki editor, but have had no response.

Please assist. Thank you.

Sara Lambert Bloom

PS See now I can't even see where to hit "send" to the help desk...am I alone in my bemuddlement? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sara Lambert Bloom (talk • contribs) 13:23, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Sara Lambert Bloom, this is a question that would be better suited for the Tea House, but I will give an answer for you here. First of all, your article is a wall of text, with no formatting at all, I would advise that you read Your First Article, this will tell you how to write an article, and as for there being no response, you did not submit it for review. I would advise you go to Articles for Creation to get more information on how the article creating process works. Also, please sign your posts on talk pages with four tildes, like this “~~~~” Thank you. LakesideMiners^{Come Talk To Me!} 13:52, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Sara Lambert Bloom, and welcome to Wikipedia! The send/save button is these days called "Publish changes" (legal reasons), and this has indeed befuddled people.

Your draft User:Sara Lambert Bloom/sandbox can be submitted with the blue button marked "Submit your draft for review", but please don't do that, it will be rejected in it's current form. Apart from being a big block of text, it has no inline citations, and language like " In this Frank Gorell stands forever as a beacon." is called WP:PUFFERY around here, as in it is not proper language for a WP-article.

Writing a WP-article that sticks is hard for a WP-newbie (and not that easy for anyone), and there is a learning curve. You have mentioned one source [1] and it's not a bad one, but it is not enough. Take the time to read Help:Your first article and Wikipedia:Notability (people) carefully, then think about how/if you want to proceed. Oldperson, pinging you if you wish to comment. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:54, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Relisting?

A bit of a pickle... Are nominators allowed to relist their own nominations on RfD? James-the-Charizard (talk to me!) (contribs) 14:16, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

This is discouraged as with any XfD. Ruslik_Zero 20:48, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

New bio?

How do I send/edit my bio-data? Thank you. Jay — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gsekera (talk • contribs) 14:21, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@Gsekera: Hello, Some useful links will be left at your talk page. If you wish to tell the Wikipedia community a little about yourself and how you wish to contribute to the encyclopedia, then your userpage is how you do that. (Click on the red 'Geskera' in these posts and you will be taken there). Wikipedia is not a site where you can create a profile or article about yourself; I.e. it is not a form of social media in the manner of Facebook or similar sites. If you wish to contribute an article about someone else, please read the guide to a first article and also the general notability guide. Feel free to ask here or at the teahouse (which is more aimed at new contributors) if you need assistance. Eagleash (talk) 14:56, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

wiki

how can I have a wiki written about me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.4.62 (talk) 14:48, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Become sufficiently famous in real life that multiple, Reliable sources (please follow the link and read the whole piece) with no connection to you, such as reputable newspapers, magazines and book publishers, publish significant amounts about you that are not based on information directly supplied by yourself, your relatives, your friends, your employees (if any), your publicity agent (if any) or anyone else in any way renumerated directly or indirectly by you. This is the basic qualification for being considered "Notable" (please follow and read) – i.e. well-enough documented that an article about you (or anyone) is allowed here.

There are about 6,000,000 articles on this English-language Wikipedia; probably less than 100,000 (my wild guess, someone can probably give a real figure) are about currently living people. Since there are about 7,000,000,000 people alive right now, that means only about 1 out of every 70,000 living people have so far qualified for an article. Do you think you are as 'famous' (i.e. publicly well-documented) as that? If and when you are, someone else will almost certainly decide to create an article about you with no prompting from you. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.41.118 (talk) 15:20, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

There are 931,718 articles about living people at the moment. Jeb³_{Talk at me here}^{What I've Done} 15:24, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

As many as that? I also see on checking that the World population was estimated at about 7,700,000,000 as of last April, so about 1 in 8,300 then: still a large number. (Thanks for the accurate BLP figure, Jebcubed. I guessed there was a way to find out, but didn't want to spend the time looking for it.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.41.118 (talk) 20:09, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

More fun with statistics; something like one out of every five BLP articles is about a soccer player. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 20:29, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

That seems very high. I thought it was 1 out of 5 was athletes... Would love to see the stats on this one! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:01, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Lee Vilenski Statistics I mentioned above jumped out at me when reading this discussion a couple months ago. As you can see from the chart posted by Levivich in that discussion; there are (were at the time) 908,260 BLPs, of which 141,462 were football (soccer for Americans) players. More than double the number of bios for Baseball, Basketball, Ice hockey, Rugby, Cricket, and NFL players combined. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 21:47, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Dr. Chang Yi Wang

Chang Yi Wang (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

> We have had the biography of Dr. Chang Yi Wang on Wikipedia for some time now. > Recently, we noted that all information except for very few details, > has been deleted. We have re-edited and included the information, > however, each time it is all deleted.

> Checking the top of the page we noted that the main issue is that it reads like an > advertisement. I must confess that I am not very proficient at Wiki > but am trying to help to get the information on the page. I have reviewed other bios and don't really see much > difference from what we had previously included. Would you be able to take a look a what has been uploaded and then deleted so I can see where we are wrong and what we need to do. --> > Thank you for your assistance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bulmal (talk • contribs) 16:35, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Bulmal, Howdy hello! A detailed explanation of the issues has been left on the talk page, Talk:Chang_Yi_Wang. Captain Eek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 20:40, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Userpage toolbar

When I look at certain userpages, e.g., User:Ogolotswe, I see a vertical toolbar with icons off to the right, although I can move it. Why?--Bbb23 (talk) 17:44, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@Bbb23: The page curation (for new pages) toolbar? Eagleash (talk) 18:11, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Have no idea.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:13, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

That's what was at the userpage you linked to. It's what you see if you review a new page via 'New Page Patrol' though I would have thought you would only see it if you have the NPP 'flag'. Do you have this (or AfC reviewer)? Eagleash (talk) 18:23, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

My guess is those permissions are subsumed when one is an administrator. I assume one only sees that toolbar on userpages, not new articles?--Bbb23 (talk) 18:38, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

I was under the impression you were an admin, but not certain... Nope that's what I see when clicking 'review' from NPP (or if I encounter a new page when just 'surfing' Wikipedia). There doesn't seem to be a logical reason why it appears on some userpages... that was a relativley new account with very few edits (now blocked SP)... maybe it triggered some filter or other; I expect 'Prime' will know! Eagleash (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@Bbb23: That should be the page curation tool. It should show up on all unpatrolled main space pages, but it also shows up sometimes on user pages for reasons I'm not sure of. Perhaps it just shows up on users who aren't yet autoconfirmed? It would make sense, as their user pages would be more likely to be vandalism or have U5 issues. Captain Eek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 20:37, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

• I keep seeing the damned thing, and I don't want to see it...ever! The explanations above don't make complete sense, but the crux of the matter is something changed because I never saw it before recently. Perhaps there is something in my Preferences I can change to get rid of it? Perhaps this is some poor developer out there who hates me? I'll try again here and, if I have no success, I'll take it to the Pump where they can all mock me for my lack of technical understanding. As Lady Katherine said, "I am most seriously displeased."--Bbb23 (talk) 13:54, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@Bbb23: Click the top icon, a right-pointing arrow. This should minimize it and enable you to remove it completelty on a small x. It can be displayed again on "Open Page Curation" under "Tools" in the left pane. It's only an option on new pages which haven't been curated. See more at Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help#Curation Toolbar. If it keeps coming back on its own then try clearing your Wikipedia cookies. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:22, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, PrimeHunter, the toolbar seems to be gone. I'm still curious what changed, though.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:29, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@Bbb23: A gadget to hide the toolbar was made last year because the user click to hide it wasn't always remembered: Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 170#How can I permanently hide the page curation rightside toolbar. The gadget was removed Sunday [2] because the user click should now be remembered. We don't want unnecessary gadgets to stick around forever and make Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets longer. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:53, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: But how were editors supposed to know how to make the toolbar go away? I would never have guessed how to do it on my own.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:22, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@Bbb23: Hovering over the top icon says "Minimize", and if something in software can be removed then it's often done by clicking somewhere at the top. Users were always supposed to figure this out on their own. The gadget was only made because the minimizing wasn't remembered. The gadget was disabled by default so you must have figured out how to enable it which seems much harder. You have posted to other sections at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 170#How can I permanently hide the page curation rightside toolbar so maybe you saw it there. The toolbar is not made by the English Wikipedia so we don't control the design. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:36, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

My page is no longer on Wikipedia?

A page was created for Marina Franklin - comedian and it is no longer there, what happened and how can I get that back on here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marinafranklin (talk • contribs) 20:15, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Marinafranklin It was deleted as a result of this discussion. Basically, the article as written did not meet the requirements outlined here and here. The main thing to remember is that all articles must be on topics that Wikipedia considers to be notable, and a person is notable "if he or she has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." The article did not cite reliable secondary sources about her life and career. If you would like, I can restore it as a draft, so that additional sources can be added. However, if you are Marina Franklin or work for her, please read our conflict of interest guidelines and this page about autobiographical articles. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 20:24, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Marinafranklin: Hello, the page was deleted following a discussion here as the fairly stringent Wikipedia notability guidelines had not been 'passed'. See that page for more information and also WP:ENT. The page was deleted with a proviso that it could be restored (preferably as a draft so it could be improved). See WP:REFUND for more information. Please note it would not be 'your' page, but Wikipedia's article about the subject. Please also see why this is not always a good idea and WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY if applicabe. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 20:32, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Not sure if I can use photo from library website for wikipedia page

I would like to add a photo to a wikipedia page that was recently created. I found a photo of the person on the website of our local library. The photo was donated to the public library archival collection from an unknown source. The date and author of the photo are not indicated on the photo, but a newspaper article with an almost identical photo did contain a date and name of the photographer that I assume also applies to the photo I'd like to use. The library website states that "Materials in this collection may be used freely for any purpose, with attribution to the Carnegie Library for Local History, Boulder... Questions of copyright are the responsibility of the user." The library staff said I could use the photo if proper attribution to the library was given.

Are there any copyright issues with uploading this photo to wikimedia commons and then adding it to the wikipedia page for this person? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bklein61 (talk • contribs) 20:41, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Is thia a rhetorical question? Ruslik_Zero 20:46, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

No it is a legitimate question because I'm not sure I understand Wikipedia's rules about using someone else's photographs. But I take it from your comment that you don't see any problem using the photo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bklein61 (talk • contribs) 21:45, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Bklein61, Howdy hello! Thanks for double checking with us, as copyright rules are pretty strict. Make sure that you do properly attribute the photo when uploaded to commons, noting that it is free for use as long as attribution is provided. Captain Eek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 22:44, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate your helpful response! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bklein61 (talk • contribs) 23:09, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@Bklein61:This does not sound right. "Photo was donated" is not the same as "copyright was conveyed", so we have no way to know if the library has the right to license the copyright ("permission to use with attribution"). Can you please check with the library? Of course if the picture is from before 1924, it's in the public domain and no permission is needed. -Arch dude (talk) 04:05, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Oh, OK I'll check with the library. I knew there were more wrinkles to this so thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bklein61 (talk • contribs) 16:59, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Sister Act (musical)

OK. I've been watching this article over the past year. For some reason, it's become an international resume for any and all theater that launches a production of this musical. It's becoming ridiculous. The info-box alone now has TWENTY-SEVEN production locations. Why!? Millions of musicals are produced around the world every day in cities across the globe, but WP doesn't list them every time they hit a city. The Other productions section has become a dumping ground for those who wish to list their productions. None of this is notable or worthy of inclusion for this article or at WP. The show hasn't even won one award! Why on earth is it being treated at WP as though it's the greatest musical ever written!? Someone needs to go in and put a stop to all this overweight resume style listings and do a good scrub cleaning. Thoughts? Maineartists (talk) 22:22, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Maineartists, I would say: be bold and fix it! I agree, all those musicals shouldn't be listed in the infobox, as they aren't notable. Good eye for catching that. Feel free to go ahead and remedy the problem. Captain Eek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 22:46, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Will do, CaptainEek. Thanks! Maineartists (talk) 22:52, 28 October 2019 (UTC)