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April 11

About Alihan Demir

The page I had created Alihan Demir was rejected. Could you please consider it again. The page is about a basketball player who plays in NCAA from TURKEY. The information put up was quite relevant and were from verified sources. He is quite notable actually and he will play in Eurocup or Euroleague in this season. Waiting for your helps. Thanks in advance.

Managementoffice20 (talk

May Zin Theint

My name is May Zin Theint.

{{Infobox person | name = May Zin Theint | image = | caption = | native_name = မေဇင်သိမ့်

Do you perhaps want to create an article about yourself? And if not, then what would you like to know? -- Hoary (talk) 01:12, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

How to change logo

I need help in changing our company logo. How do I do it? Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Linagabilan72 (talk • contribs) 00:32, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

What's the title of the article whose company logo you'd like to have changed? -- Hoary (talk) 01:11, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

You'll want to read Wikipedia:FAQ/Article subjects. Note if you are being compensated to edit you must disclose this: see Wikipedia:Paid contribution disclosure for details. A copyrighted logo may be acceptable under fair use in the article about that company. Read Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright and Wikipedia:Non-free content for details. --47.146.63.87 (talk) 01:40, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Stating volatile current facts in Wikipedia

A particular problem of editing a volatile current fact on Wikipedia has led me to look for general guidelines about this, but I can't find them. My first question is: when is it legitimate to express as an absolute fact a fact that is merely current? For example, if an article states "The website has 450,000 users" or an infobox says "Alexa rank: 24,123", these are expressions of absolute fact, even though the fact is liable to change. For a future reader such statements may well be false and misleading. My second question is: does Wikipedia already have general guidelines that cover such cases? Mrmedley (talk) 02:59, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

@Mrmedley: It would be appropriate to provide a reliable source for the fact, and add a date in the text and an |access-date= in the reference indicating when you read the fact. While "Alexa rank: 24,123" will eventually change, "Alexa rank: 24,123 (as of Apr 2020)" would always be correct. One step further would be to use Template:As of in the article to encourage other editors to help keep the fact up to date. GoingBatty (talk) 04:58, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

How to warn editors about possible COI

Hi there! I've recently seen a single-purpose accounts that has almost exclusively edited a single, semi-obscure article over a long period of time. I have a suspicion that they may have a conflict of interest (partially because their edits also seem a bit biased/promotional or based heavily off of primary sources). Is this enough of a reason to leave a template like {{uw-coi}} on their user talk page?

I don't want to suggest someone might have a conflict of interest without enough reason (mostly because I don't know if that's considered bad wiki etiquette). But I also want to know what's the usual process for starting these conversations with longer-term editors (or what has worked well for other editors in the past). Thanks! - Whisperjanes (talk) 05:24, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

I would, first, simply, informally, ask him very politely. Many are convinced to have the full right to promote on Wikipedia and they don't deny it if you ask. Then I would decide basing on the answer--Pierpao (talk) 09:01, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Whisperjanes--Pierpao (talk) 09:07, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

@Pierpao: Thank you! Does something like this sound okay?:

Hi there Username, I appreciate your recent contributions. I have noticed that you have an interest in editing this topic. I was just wondering if you a personal relationship to the topic? If so, you may have a conflict of interest, so I just wanted to check in with you. - Whisperjanes (talk) 19:23, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes sound right Whisperjanes --Pierpao (talk) 22:52, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Page reverted - where to find it an correct it

Hi good people - I recently created the page Alter Echo (album). It's the name of the fourth studio album by the rock band Dizzy Mizz Lizzy. The page was shortly reverted and made a Redirect to the main page about the band. I don't know why that is. I have contacted the admin responsible, but he/she has ignored me and answered other users instead. Please advise :) /Kmilling — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kmilling (talk • contribs) 07:11, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

@Kmilling: Hello, the redirect was restored as the article you created was just a tracklisting and a release date; there was little if anything to demonstrate notability... see WP:NMUSIC for more information. It was also without references as noted in the edit summary when the page was restored. You did the correct thing in attempting to contact the other editor (not an admin. as far as I am aware) and it would have been good if they'd responded but it was a relatively short time ago. Pinging JalenFolf in case they wish to comment here.

It may have been premature to create the page into mainspace and expect others to finish it for you. It would probabably have been better to begin with a draft via WP:AFC or WP:WIZ and develop an article as and when more reliably sourced information was available. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 07:44, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Eagleash - Can I reactivate the reverted page myself and add proper and valid references? I will certainly consider using WP:AFC or WP:WIZ i the future (I'm still learning the advanced rules of the English Wikipedia). Kmilling

@Kmilling: I would not recommend overwriting the existing redirect. As things stand the topic does not demonstrate notability and there would be a strong possibility that it would just be redirected again. Use WP:WIZ and start a draft. You could use the wording in existence at the redirect (old version) as a start. If you copy and paste it to the new draft you should probably attribute it by an edit summary like "copied from Alter Echo (album), version dated xx/xx/xxxx). When it is ready, you can submit it for review, (to do this you place {{subst:submit}} at the top of the source. A reviewer will delete or request deletion of, the existing redirect to make way.

By way of information, notability cannot be supported by MusicBrainz, Facebook, Discogs.com, Spotify, IMDb, Amazon, blogs or a band's or label's self-published PR. AllMusic only counts as support for notability if the site publishes a review of the album by one of its professional staff, and not if the album just has a purely WP:ROUTINE track listing. Good luck. Eagleash (talk) 10:06, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Kmilling, in response to "where to find it an correct it": Click or tap the link for Alter Echo (album). At the top of the Dizzy Mizz Lizzy page, you should see a line "(Redirected from Alter Echo (album))". Use that link to get to the actual redirect page and access its History, Talk, etc. You can then copy the text to somewhere like your user space to work on it. Hope I'm not misunderstanding the question. Does that help? Pelagic (talk) 00:55, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Pelagic - Yes, I think you got it right. I'll try to work the page in a safer environment and maybe reach out for someone to validate the draft before I (or anyone else) publish. Thanks a lot for you tremendous help / Kmilling

Ellen Nussey

Ref number 9 is in red. Please fix. Thank you 175.32.219.132 (talk) 09:50, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

 Fixed Eagleash (talk) 10:09, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Add name

I want to add my name and details to Scottish expatriate footballer — Preceding unsigned comment added by JACK TRAINER (talk • contribs) 10:40, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

@JACK TRAINER: Hello, are you referring to Category:Scottish expatriate footballers? If so, this is for persons with a Wikipedia article and inclusion is by adding the category to the list at the end of the individual article. I cannot see that Wikipedia has an article Jack Trainer, so it is not posiible or appropriate for the name to be included. If the player passes the football notability guidelines, an article will be created by unconnected editors in due course. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 10:55, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Page delete

Hello,
The page I had created Radhakrishnan Pillai was deleted for the second time. Could you please consider it again. The page is about best selling author from India. The information put up was quite relevant and were from verified sources as you can see the citations attached to it.

Thanking You, Wikipedia User

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radhakrishnan_pillai — Preceding unsigned comment added by Invader2580 (talk • contribs) 10:48, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey Invader2580, welcome to Wikipedia! The page has been speedily deleted by an administrator, HickoryOughtShirt?4. If you want it to be restored, please first explain why it should be to him/her. If that doesn't work, you can always request a review at WP:DRV. Please note it has been deleted as a copyright violation, so you should be able to explain why it isn't one if you want it to be undeleted. MrClog (talk) 10:59, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Invader2580: It appears the page was deleted as a copyright infringement. Wikipedia cannot accept content copied from elsewhere, this will typically be quickly deleted and users who add copy-vio can easily lose editing privileges. If you can begin a new draft using your own words and referenced to reliable sources and submit it for review, Wikipedia will reconsider. If this author is truly notable, Wikipedia would like a properly written article about them. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 11:02, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

FYI - POSSIBLE ERRONEOUS WEBSITE

Performed a search on Bing.com for "Saturn Planet" and usually where a "Wikipedia" link would be was a link for "Witchipedia" instead. Other planet searches produced the correct hyperlink to Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharky2803 (talk • contribs) 15:45, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

If there's a problem at Bing.com you need to raise it there, not here. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:54, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

• @Sharky2803: What you're seeing is probably the result of search engine optimization aka SEO. But happily, Bing also displays a prominent information card to the right with excerpted data from the Wikipedia article, and a link to us. So, while witchipedia's SEO wanes and waxes (with the influence of Mercury?), Wikipedia link is likely to stay. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:36, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Removal of Maintenance Template

Hello:

My name is "Ashton Nichols." Several years ago, I was contacted by a colleague who told me that there were numerous errors of fact, detail, and editing in a Wikipedia Page under my name ("Ashton Nichols"), a page that I had not created or had any role in creating.

When I went to the page "Ashton Nichols" for the first time, I noted that there were errors of the kind that my colleague had noted. At that time, I did not realize that Wikipedia disproved of a person too close to the subject of the entry--or the subject him- or herself--having editorial input into that page. As a result, I periodically began correcting and adding to the detail of the page under my name.

Now that I see the maintenance template indicating that an editor involved in the page is too close to the subject (in fact IS the subject), I am more than willing to stop having any role whatsoever in the future of the "Ashton Nichols" entry. However, I do not know how to contact an editor--whom I assume should not be close to me, or even known to me--who can accept my new understanding and can see to the removal of the maintenance template.

In addition, I currently see nothing in the current entry that constitutes a subjective evaluation or a biased view. If I am mistaken in this, I am more than willing to have an objective editor remove any such details.

Can you help me with these requested editorial actions. Please let me know how you advise me to proceed, or what you can do to see to the removal of the maintenance template.

Thank you,75.165.82.98 (talk) 17:18, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ashton! Per Wikipedia:About_you#Concerns, there are several things you can do when you see errors of fact at Ashton Nichols, including posting suggestions and reliable sources at Talk:Ashton Nichols, using the "Biographies of living persons" noticeboard, and sending an email to the confidential help line. It would also be appropriate to post to Talk:Ashton Nichols about what should be done before removing the maintenance template. Thanks for asking! GoingBatty (talk) 18:14, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

How to get a bot to stop editing a page?

The bot user:JJMC89_bot keeps removing an image from the Balconville page. Balconville is a play, and the image is the book cover from the book in which the script for the play was published. My understanding of WP's fair use rules is that this use of the image is allowed. I have posted to the bot's talk page, the owner's talk page, and the article's talk page; but no human has responded. How do I get the bot to stop? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crath (talk • contribs) 18:35, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

You need to follow the instructions on File:Balconville.jpg. You can't just say "this file is fair use"; you need to give an full and detailed explanation as to why this image is necessary for this particular article. In this case, I'd suggest using {{Non-free use rationale book cover}} and filling in the fields as necessary; you basically need to demonstrate that all 10 of the points here are met, otherwise the image can't be used. ‑ Iridescent 18:42, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

I chose that license when I uploaded the image. I've uploaded many album cover images over the years and I've never been required to then restate the license text again and provide a link backwards to the article. This is a waste of everyone's time. Christopher Rath (talk) 18:58, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

You may think it's a waste of time, but it's a legal requirement; if you don't provide a non-free rationale for each article on which the image is to be used (as you have done on every other fair-use image you've ever uploaded so you're obviously already aware), the image can't be used in that article. This isn't something over which there's any discretion. ‑ Iridescent 19:26, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft

Hi, I have submitted a draft for review, it was rejected with some reasons. After correcting the errors, can I move the draft to Namespace without presenting to another review? Thanks Santoshdts (talk) 19:04, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Santoshdts While you technically could do so, I would advise against it. It's better for the draft and better for you to work out any issues before your draft is formally part of the encyclopedia. Once it is in the encyclopedia, it will be treated more critically. 331dot (talk) 19:07, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Santoshdts, I suspect that whenever you have written "legislature" in your draft, you have meant "legislator". Maproom (talk) 19:20, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Oops Maproom Thanks for pointing it out. I need give a serious look at the drafts. Thanks again. Santoshdts (talk) 19:28, 11 April 2020 (UTC)