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December 25

How to create an Article

How can I create an article on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123Peacock123 (talk • contribs) 01:42, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

@123Peacock123: Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to add to it. To create an article, follow the steps at WP:YFA and use the wizard there to help create a draft for review. Creating a new article is not very easy, so the usual advice is to get experience by editing to improve existing articles for awhile before attempting to create a new one. RudolfRed (talk) 01:56, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

@123Peacock123: before you put any other effort into your article, please make certain that your subject is notable by our definition (WP:N). Notability is the only absolute requirement for an article. We can help you fix just about any mistake you make in the article, no matter how poor the article is, if the subject is notable. If the subject is not notable, we will delete the article, no mater how perfect it is in all other ways. -Arch dude (talk) 02:17, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Renaming a template

I want to move Template:Haydn to Template:Joseph Haydn to match the full name standard for virtually every other classical composer template. However, in doing this I suspect it will disconnect all of the articles with {{Haydn}} in it... is there a way to do this properly? Or does perhaps a bot come and fix this after the change? Aza24 (talk) 07:49, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

@Aza24: A move will leave a redirect and {{Haydn}} will still work via the redirect. If you move a navigation template then remember to update name = in its code to the new name. It's needed to make correct V T E links. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:15, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks PrimeHunter, much appreciated! Aza24 (talk) 17:50, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Mahashivratri

About Mahashivratri whatever is written in hindi, some lines about Lord Shiva is written wrong. The line is, "Lord Shiva gets married to Devi Parvati on Mahashivratri", it is written in hindi. But this is absolutely wrong. On SITALASHASTHI that is celebrated in India, on that day Lord Shiva got married, not on Mahashivratri. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4062:2E98:544B:B4F0:A346:1A5B:ED87 (talk) 09:59, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm guessing that this is about the Wikipedia article Maha Shivaratri, which says "According to another legend, this is the night when Shiva and Parvati got married" (emphasis added), and cites two sources. Are you saying that there is no such legend? In any case, the place to discuss this is at Talk:Maha Shivaratri. --ColinFine (talk) 11:12, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

RE: Notable People living in Myrtle Mississippi

In my originally posted edit/addition a generic type moderator removed it due to failure to post "verifiable" content as I was learning and attempting to have the very thing from court documents uploaded as they are public records which anyone is able to locate.

In short, if I've done something technically wrong, and it is pulled, please try to be kind about "why", and you may actually be able to HELP get the edit or addition added in a proper manner.

But simply seeing a new edit, noting what the editor or writer did or did not do 100% correctly, and then UNDOING their efforts IS NOT a friendly way of performing their self proclaimed position.

Is there a way to report such an administrator? If so, I'd love nothing more to be given a way of contacting them. Merry Christmas, and thanks so much. T. Webber — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moffatt Geneology (talk • contribs) 10:55, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Moffatt Geneology, and Merry Christmas to you. You can contact any editor (administrator or not) at their User talk page - I see you have already contacted Stwalkerster that way, and you can contact Alexf the same way. Normally, what happens when there is disagreement about an edit is laid out in BRD; but in this case it appears that Alexf has suppressed your edit to Myrtle, Mississippi. Judging from your posting to Stwalkerster, I guess that you were contravening our policy on WP:biographies of living people - which is serious, as it can lay Wikipedia open to legal action. I have pinged both those editors in this reply. --ColinFine (talk) 11:26, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Moffatt Geneology. I looked at the edit. While I'm sure your intentions were good the edit was, without a source, a major problem. There is no way anybody reading that could tell if if was legit or not. Nobody knows who you are and I'm sure you can understand that there are some editors who think it funny to add that their friend is a bad person (not that I think you did that). In addition people are not normally added to community lists unless they already have an article, which that person did not.

Both Alexf and Stwalkerster did the correct thing. You can report them but it won't go anywhere. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 11:48, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Is my first approach toward particular user is good practice here?

I posted a my question at user talk page. I posted my old unanswered question there. Is my first approach toward particular user is good practice here? Rizosome (talk) 14:10, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Rizosome. What you did is perfectly acceptable, but it would be easier (both for you and for the editor you are appealling to) if you simply pinged them in your orginal post. So you would have gone {{ping|Jeremy Butler}}. Merry Christmas. --ColinFine (talk) 14:29, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to you. @ColinFine: and thank you for solving my doubt. Rizosome (talk) 14:56, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

"Who wrote that" addon not working on cast section of films.

"Who wrote that" addon not working on cast section of films. Check this out. Is this bug in the addon? Rizosome (talk) 14:53, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

@Rizosome: You refer to mw:Who Wrote That?. mw:Who Wrote That?#Current Limitations of the Tool says: "It does not analyze templates and some other elements." Planes, Trains and Automobiles#Cast is made by a template call of {{Cast listing}}. The cast is in a parameter but the tool does not search template parameters. It works when the cast is not made by a template, e.g. Dirty Rotten Scoundrels (film)#Cast. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:06, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Why can't I view user page of this user?

Why can't I view user page of this user? If I click on it, it just redirects me to talk page. Rizosome (talk) 15:07, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

@Rizosome: The user redirected their user page to the talk page. This is common and allowed. Click "(Redirected from User:Vuo)" at the top of User:Vuo to see the user page with the redirect. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:14, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Draft review

Hi Team,

This is my first article on Wikipedia, I have submitted before and it got declined.

I tried to modify based on the reviewer comments.

Please re check again and let me know.

Link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mohamed_Karim_Labidi

Regards Dineee — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dineee90 (talk • contribs) 15:28, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Dineee90. You have resubmitted your draft: please wait for a reviewer to get to it. People at the help desk are not, in general, reviewers, and coming here to ask for a review can be seen as trying to "game the system". Please be patient. In the meantime, you can carry on improving the draft. I notice. for example, that you refer to him as "Karim" and "Karim Labidi" at various points. If I am right in interpreting "Karim" as his personal name, then you should refer to him as just "Labidi" every time after the first paragraph: see MOS:FAMILYNAME. --ColinFine (talk) 17:34, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, ColinFine. Thank you for your support, I have made the changes as per your suggestion. Apologies for posting on Help Desk I will wait and try to communicate using the right channels.

Muffin man

English Muffins are described as being invented in the USA in 1880. But when you look up “who has seen the muffin man” you describe the term muffin as being used in 1820 England. There seems to be a conflict! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.65.74 (talk) 15:30, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Muffins are older than the term "English muffin". The article says the latter name was invented in 1880 but an older English recipe was used. The Muffin Man is apparently about a type of muffin which was not called "English" in 1820 but may remind of what was later called English muffins. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:17, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

As a child in England in the 1960s, I read about "muffins" in old books: I had never see one. When I visited the US in 1974, I encountered the thing called "English muffin", and found that it matched my imagined picture of what a muffin was (American "muffins" did not). --ColinFine (talk) 17:37, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia not posting edits

Why are my edits not being posted? Only a few have been. Is it my IP address or what? Jmr012 (talk) 16:50, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

@Jmr012: Special:Contributions/Jmr012 shows your account has only saved 6 edits. We answered you at Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 December 18#My edits are not being posted! If you tried to save other edits at the English Wikipedia then either you didn't actually save them or you were not logged in to this account. Click "Contributions" at the top right of the window to see your saved edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:57, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

I know that I only have six edits. That's because most of the time Wikipedia DOES NOT ACCEPT my edits. It says that the change was made, but I go back and my change is gone. I've been trying to contribute by adding article descriptions. Why am I not having most of my edits saved? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmr012 (talk • contribs) 17:20, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Why are so many of my edits not added after I submit them? I only have six edits and the rest state my changes have been saved but go back to the page and my changes haven't been made/saved. Help, please! Jmr012 (talk) 17:23, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

@Jmr012: article descriptions are centrally managed on our sister project Wikidata. You can see your list of contributions there. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:33, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

@Jmr012: Your Wikidata edits can be seen at Wikidata, e.g. "language disorder characterized by the involuntary repetition of syllables, words, or phrases" at Palilalia (Q1757666). Editors of the English Wikipedia were unhappy with the Wikidata descriptions and since October 2020 they are not shown at the mobile English Wikipedia. I guess that's why you think they have been rejected. We have our own system Wikipedia:Short description. You have to use that if you want the descriptions to be seen at the mobile English Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:21, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you all for your assistance. I am glad to play a part in assisting Wikipedia. Jmr012 (talk) 18:34, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Citing the same book multiple times

I want to cite the same book more than once in an article. There are multiple pages in the book that contain different knowledge useful for adding to the article. I would like some clarification on how to use Template:Cite book. Is it more typical to either a) Use the named references feature and in the pages parameter input the range of pages that I want to cite everywhere in the article (in essence duplicate the reference because it will cover everything through a large range of pages), or b) Add in a new citation for each page or sequence of pages that address the same point/part of the article? Thank you. Andysmith248 (talk) 18:33, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

@Andysmith248: Which book and article, and approximately how many citations wirth different page numbers do you expect to make? There is a third option Wikipedia:Citing sources#Short citations. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:39, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: The book is Michael Gove: A Man in a Hurry and the article is Michael Gove. I'm planning a relatively large number of citations. I hadn't considered short citations - they might work best, so thanks for pointing me that way. Andysmith248 (talk) 19:55, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

@Andysmith248: That sounds suited for short citations. A named reference without specific page numbers at each use would be hard to verify. The article has one [1] short citation now. If you use it for Michael Gove: A Man in a Hurry then remember to convert the two existing citations of that book. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:37, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: All noted. In the same vein, is it important for the full citations for the short citations to be in a section below the automatically generated section? I'm also unsure as to the significance of different names for the section headings. Are 'Further reading' and 'References' appropriate for the two sections respectively? Andysmith248 (talk) 23:08, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

@Andysmith248: You might consider using {{Rp}}, which is IMO easier to use. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:45, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

@Andysmith248: 'Further reading' and 'References' sounds OK when there are few sources using shortened footnotes. 'Further reading' should come after per MOS:APPENDIX. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:22, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

What does "(username) deleted (page name) by overwriting" mean?

I've noticed that, in my user logs, I have two deletions that I apparently performed (even though I'm not even an admin), but I'd like to ask, what does the deletion summary "deleted by overwriting" mean? JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 20:51, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

JJPMaster, see Wikipedia:Move over redirect. Adam9007 (talk) 20:56, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Thomas Keith Wood

Draft content

Thomas Keith Wood is an American biochemical engineer. He is the Endowed Biotechnology and full professor of chemical engineering at the Pennsylvania State University. Contents 1 Education 2 Career 3 Science 4 Publications 5 Editorships 6 Awards 7 References 8 External links Education Thomas Keith Wood was the valedictorian of his high school advanced program class (Waggener High School, Louisville, KY, 1981) receiving awards in the areas of humanities, leadership, physics, and mathematics. He earned the B.S. with High Honors in Chemical Engineering from the University of Kentucky in 1985 (valedictorian). He also worked as a process engineer at the corporate center for engineering at the Rohm and Haas Company in Bristol, PA after earning his B.S. Dr. Wood earned his Ph.D. from North Carolina State University in 1991. His love of science was nurtured by Professor Dibakar Bhattacharya at the University of Kentucky who served as his undergraduate research mentor. Career Wood was formerly the T. Michael O’Connor Endowed Chair in Chemical Engineering at Texas A & M University (2005-2012) and the Northeast Utilities Endowed Chair in Environmental Engineering at the University of Connecticut (1998-2005). Dr. Wood was previously in the Department of Chemical & Biochemical Engineering at the University of California, Irvine where he held a faculty position from 1991-98. Dr. Wood has graduated 22 Ph.D. students (eight are professors: Prof. Deokjin Jahng, Prof. Arul Jayaraman, Prof. Dacheng Ren, Prof. Thammajun Leungsakul, Prof. Andres Gonzalez Barrios, Prof. Gonul Vardar, Prof. Viviana Sanchez Torres, and Prof. Seok Hoon Hong), introduced over 60 undergraduates to science (two are professors), and has 13 post-doctoral students who have become professors (Dr. Ayelet Fishman, Dr. Toshinari Maeda, Dr. Moshe Herzberg, Dr. Hojae Shim, Dr. Jintae Lee, Dr. Michael Yu, Dr. Akihiro Maeda, Dr. Rodolfo Garcia Contreras, Dr. Youngman Kim, Dr. Xiaoxue Wang, Dr. Venkata Poosarla, Dr. Sage Hibel, and Dr. Ryota Yamasaki). Science The research pursuits of Professor Wood include understanding the genetic basis of biofilm formation to prevent disease and utilizing biofilms for beneficial biotransformations including remediation, green chemistry, and energy production. Publications Dr. Wood has 314-peer-reviewed publications with over 24,000 citations and an H index of 88 (including 26 prestige publications). Editorships Dr. Wood has served as an editor of Applied & Environmental Microbiology, is a founding editorial board member of Microbial Biotechnology, and is currently an editor of Environmental Microbiology. He serves on the editorial boards of Biofilm, Microbial Biotechnology, and Biotechnology and Bioengineering. Awards Dr. Wood has received five university outstanding teaching and research awards and is the recipient of the U.S. Army Research Office Young Investigator Award and National Science Foundation Research Initiation Award. He has been elected as a fellow in the American Institute for Medical and Biological Engineering (2013). References Wood, Thomas Keith (1991). Analysis of Cloned-Gene Expression in E. coli (Ph.D. thesis). External links Thomas K. Wood publications indexed by Google Scholar (https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=5lBWbGkAAAAJ&hl=en) Thomas K. Wood university website (https://www.che.psu.edu/faculty/wood/group/index.html) Categories: Living people, biochemical engineers, Pennsylvania State University faculty

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Twoodengr (talk • contribs) 23:13, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Twoodengr, did you have a particular question about the draft? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 04:51, 26 December 2020 (UTC)