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February 4

Super Bowl LV Logo

What No Super Bowl LV logo Why Didn't You Upload it why no logo. 68.103.78.155 (talk) 00:35, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Why Didn't You Answer Me. 68.103.78.155 (talk) 03:07, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Rudely ordering volunteer editors around is unlikely to get you your desired answer. – Teratix ₵ 10:38, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Changes to episode list

Hey, I recently changed the position of one of the episodes for Ugly Betty season one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugly_Betty_(season_1) Episode 11 "Swag" should be at number 4. I've never bothered to change anything before, but I decided to rewatch Ugly Betty on Amazon, and for some reason, they are showing the episodes in the exact same order as on this page, which is incorrect. After my changes, I received a message saying they have been reverted because they did not appear constructive. Well, I'm sorry but if Amazon is using this list for the episode order of the show, I'm pretty sure it does make a difference to have the episodes in the right order. Any thoughts on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.242.13 (talk) 01:06, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

See the note at the bottom of List of Ugly Betty episodes#Season 1 (2006–07) (and its cite, if you like). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 01:49, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Link Broken

On this page: List of fallacies#Formal fallacies

There is a link for the "Motte and Bailey" fallacy. However, it does not go to the fallacy. It goes to the page for the word "Motte" which then shows links to the logical fallacy referred to by the term "motte and bailey fallacy". However, if one clicks on that link, it simply returns them to the logical fallacy page where one started.

I don't know how to edit the wiki. I don't know how to simply get someone's attention to simple problems for simple fixes. Here's my note, and my best attempt to point out that something is broken.

Thanks for your time. 24.8.27.243 (talk) 01:10, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

I did a quick search and found that the page for that fallacy redirects to the list of fallacies. The page exists, but right now it's just a redirect. I'll expand it and remove the redirect in a bit. Thank you for noticing this. TK421bsod (talk) 01:28, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Request to change document title

I want to change document title "KOREA Nuclear Fuel" to "KEPCO Nuclear Fuel".

In the early 2010s, KEPCO's policy changed the company's name.

The link : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_Nuclear_Fuel — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.251.240.21 (talk) 02:57, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

 Done Moved page to Kepco Nuclear Fuel, as we don't tend to stylise company names in all caps. You need an autoconfirmed account to move pages. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:10, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia editor location: how to correct?

Hello again. On my watchlist page I have two notices at the top as follows: "Learn about the use of Wikipedia and sister projects in education, at the Wikimedia in Education UK Summit at Coventry University on 26 FebruaryHide Interested in having a chat with fellow Wikipedians? There is an upcoming meetup in: London, 9 February!Hide"

I think it's great to have them, but they are irrelevant to me. I used to live in the UK but am now in the US. Obviously they have a "hide" link but I don't want to hide them as much as get notifications for my actual location! I have been through all my "preferences" twice and found nothing.

Help? --gobears87 (talk) 04:52, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Gobears87, I can't seem to find an answer for you. Looking through wp:geonotice and it's talk pages, UK based geonotices don't use IP geolocation (i.e. GPS coordinates, notoriously inaccurate in the UK) at all, just "country".

Looking at Meta's page for Central Notices, which assumedly work similarly, Geotargeting is inexact and may occasionally locate a user to an incorrect country is stated.

But what I can't find is how a country is found, assumedly without using IP geolocation.

I'd ask on wt:geonotice. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 18:32, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for this info. I have since found how to subscribe to my local notices, but definitely no way - yet - to "unsubscribe" from UK notices! --gobears87 (talk) 19:24, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Can you be a logged in user without allowing cookies?

I'm just curious, although some of my wiki friends brought up the issue.[1] Peregrine Fisher (talk) 05:14, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

@Peregrine Fisher: Nope. Cookies are used to store some information that links you to your account, and if you don't have/ allow them, you get immediately logged out. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:26, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

You can block third-party cookies, though, no problem. No apparent problem, anyway. Could be a huge problem behind the scenes, hope not! InedibleHulk (talk) 20:22, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

google index

I created an article on Wikipedia a month ago. The article wasn't searched on Google, so I checked the source and i thought it was due to the meta name = "robots" content = "noindex, nofollow" part. I want to solve this problem and enable Google indexing. how should i do? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryankim878 (talk • contribs) 06:54, 4 February 2020 (UTC) Ryankim878 (talk) 06:58, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

If you mean Sihoo Lee, it was created less than a month ago. Newly created articles are NOINDEXed until they have either been patrolled through the new page patrol process or 90 days have elapsed since the article creation. Special:NewPagesFeed shows that over six thousand pages are awaiting new page patrol. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:12, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

To me, this article was moved to main space prematurely. It is seriously under-referenced (citations: his model agency; 2 links to a search engine where the profiles can be edited by the person or their agent; and one news article). That's just one citation from a secondary source. The article is also an orphan. This also raises issues of notability, as being a model and releasing a record doesn't necessarily make one notable.

Ryankim878 do you have any personal or professional connection with Sihoo Lee? --kingboyk (talk) 09:48, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

kingboyk No. I just have a interest about him. why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryankim878 (talk • contribs) 07:05, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

I have a history of applying to change the information on the NAVER portal. It's actually very tricky. They require a lot of proof and verification. Therefore, the official information there is very reliable.Ryankim878 (talk) 08:20, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Ryankim878, please do not delete this section a second time. -- Hoary (talk) 09:55, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

I got an perfect answer to the question and thought I didn't have to keep it. If the rule is not to delete it, it will. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryankim878 (talk • contribs) 20:17, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

We keep the answers here for a few days as other editors may be able to expand on the answer and as the answer may be useful to other readers. The question and answers will automatically be archived after a few days. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:46, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

The article clearly needs more work. In view of this, I've moved it to Draft:Sihoo Lee. -- Hoary (talk) 04:38, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Help with Content-creation and copy-editing

I need help from a wikipedia editor to help with my articles Content creation and copy editing, please. This site is a bit complicated for me, with the sandbox new article upload. I just would love to put my research works on wikipedia, if anyone would like to network with me in making sure my content-creations and copyediting are okay on here. I am from the UK. I am a researcher in Behavioural science and would love to upload on wikipedia the new archetypal academic disciplines and vocational profession i am pioneering. Thanks Joseph Spencer (redacted) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Psychethician (talk • contribs) 10:46, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

I redacted some of your post above for your protection in this public forum. Wikipedia is not for publishing original research; Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state. If independent sources have written in depth about your research, that might merit some sort of article, but you would have a conflict of interest in writing it. 331dot (talk) 10:49, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

St Edmunds Catholic Church Bury St Edmunds https://www.stedmundkm.org.uk

I have updated the Wikipedia page on priests from Father Mark Hckeson to Fr David Bagstaff and some other changes but on the google side panel as attached but the side panel is not updating. Please can you help.

Thank you very much Tina — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.208.218.86 (talk) 11:53, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

It takes time for Google to update on their end- that isn't something we here at Wikipedia have control over. 331dot (talk) 11:54, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft submission

Could you please help me submit this draft? Draft:Global Chess Festival --Katikov (talk) 13:54, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Katikov You have already properly submitted it for review. It will likely take much time before it is reviewed, so you will need to be patient. 331dot (talk) 13:57, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

In case you haven't read the brown box on the draft, it says: "Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 5 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 4,107 pending submissions waiting for review." --David Biddulph (talk) 14:53, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Filby123/sandbox page name change

Hi There,

Please can i change the name to the page User:Filby123/sandbox which i created today. This should be Frinton Summer Theatre. I am a new user and i am wanting to create this page for Frinton Summer Theatre whom i live near and have noticed that they do not have a page with their information on.

I would very much appreciate your help with this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Filby123 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Filby123/sandbox is certainly not yet fit to be moved to mainspace. You need references to a number of published reliable sources which discuss the subject in some detail. You'll find how to cite the sources at Help:Referencing for beginners, and further useful advice at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:33, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

You also need to make it clear in the first sentence whether your proposed article is about a building or a theatre company. Maproom (talk) 16:31, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Also please note, Filby123, that Wikipedia is a lot more than a collection of "page(s) with their information on". It's a serious encyclopedia whose aim is to advance human knowledge and understanding. See: WP:NOT.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:23, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

New fangled thank thingy

So I asked an editor a question on their talk page. I put the page on my watchlist. They responded nicely.

I saw they said something on my watchlist. I read what they said, clicked back to my watchlist. Clicked the history of their talk page. Clicked thank. Clicked confirm. Clicked back to my watchlist. Is that least amount of clicks to thanks someone like that? Peregrine Fisher (talk) 16:44, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Peregrine Fisher, if you click the diff button on your watch list, there should be a thank button there, saving you going to history. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 16:59, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

I tried to thank you with that method, but you weren't the latest commenter. Peregrine Fisher (talk) 20:08, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Peregrine Fisher, if you enable Navigation popups in your preferences, you can hover over any diff in your watchlist, then when the popup opens, hover over Actions and "send thanks" is in that menu. I right-click it to open it in a new tab, then in that new tab, just confirm to send thanks. Schazjmd (talk) 22:54, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

I enabled it. It was cool to see all the labs stuff. Didn't solve this particular problem, but did teach me a very cool thing! Thanks! Peregrine Fisher (talk) 09:56, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Historic Population Data

I am looking for a collection of the historic population data lists populations ranging from the 1790s-current. when searching different cities of the United States, for example, North Carolina, there is a table that shows estimates populations. Is there research or a data set with all populations of each state ranging from the 18th century to now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Engmaxine (talk • contribs) 17:57, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

This is probably a bit more than you're looking for and I haven't looked into how easy it is to access, but this dataset is global and covers the last c. 5700 years, although I have no idea how many US cities are covered in the dataset or what the time resolution is. Mikenorton (talk) 18:29, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Rollback

I am curious to know how many 'rollbacks' I am allowed on a single page per day. I am aware that most pages only allow three single reverts per day, and I am not certain if the same applies to rollback. I did read WP:Rollback, but I didn't see anything that says how many times I can use it on one page per day. Thanks. Yowashi (talk) 20:15, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Assuming you are only using Rollback to revert blatant vandalism; unlimited. On the other hand, if you are edit warring, reverting content you disagree with that isn't blatent vandalism, or something else, you shouldn't use Rollback at all. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 20:16, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

@ONUnicorn: I have occasionally been using it to revert edits made by IP editors at List of NHL statistical leaders. The article contains a lot of statistical data that is not supposed to be updated between October to mid June. I have made single reverts to the page as well. I do not have a history of edit warring. Yowashi (talk) 20:25, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

@Yowashi: That seems like a legitimate use of Rollback to me. It's not like you don't get a giant red warning when you try to edit that page explaining why you shouldn't edit it. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 20:33, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

search edit summaries

Is there a way to search edit summaries across Wikipedia? I came across several edits I reverted that said Eklenti yapıldı. (plugin done, in Turkish) in the edit summary, and I wanted to check out any similar edits. Schazjmd (talk) 21:45, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Are references to other Wikipedia articles valid sources?

Are references to other Wikipedia articles valid sources? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rlcsljo (talk • contribs) 22:39, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

No; see WP:CIRCULAR. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:44, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Rlcsljo: Self references are to generally be avoided. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Self-references to avoid. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:47, 4 February 2020 (UTC)