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July 3

Image removal request

PLEASE REMOVE IMAGE'S FROM THIS PAGE SEARCH FOR View source for Identity document THANK YOU — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.254.113.43 (talk) 00:22, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Please see the response at Talk:Identity document#Semi-protected edit request on 3 July 2020 and your talk page. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:59, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Editing

Can I be an Editor of Wikipedia and have my own article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.112.60.26 (talk) 01:54, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@105.112.60.26: Yes, you can be an editor at Wikipedia. You can start at Wikipedia:introduction, which will tell you most of the basic stuff to get started. Howewer, Wikipedia most likely will not have an article about you. Nobody "owns" a Wikipedia article. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:54, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

error in William H Brown III article

Please note I followed Clifford Alexander as Chairman of EEOC and was followed by John Powell. The reverse of what is reported. William H Brown III — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:45:4004:D800:F96A:949F:2354:E14 (talk) 04:07, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Fixed in William H. Brown III -Arch dude (talk) 05:52, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

Please do not get angry - I am truly stuck and I have tried and tried and would really appreciate assistance. In the "Ancestry" section - 1st line - the link to Captain Peter Middleton should go to the "Parents of Michael Middleton" section on the Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge page - but it does not. Please help. Thanks so much. 175.33.5.46 (talk) 06:14, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Maproom (talk) 11:14, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

I wish to move File:The Charlatans in 1967.jpg to File:The Charlatans in 1965.jpg

File:The Charlatans in 1967.jpg was taken in 1965, thus should be:

File:The Charlatans in 1965.jpg

see:

Greene, Herb (1965). "Charlatans, 1965; from the "Acid Age of San Francisco Rock" portfolio". Museum of Contemporary Photography at Columbia College Chicago. Archived from the original on 2020-07-03. Retrieved 2020-07-03. Date: 1965; printed 2005; Medium: Gelatin silver print; Dimensions: image: 16 in x 15 3/4 in; paper: 22 in x 18 in; Accession Number: 2016:11.13;

how can this be moved?

0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 07:49, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Place {{rename media|The Charlatans in 1965.jpg|<your source>}} at the file description page. An admin will then rename the file for you.Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 07:57, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

Please, I am not trying to be difficult, can an editor who is available for assistance please look at my request 2 items up on this wikipedia help desk page. It is regarding this article on Catherine. I always really appreciate it. Thanks in advance. 175.33.5.46 (talk) 09:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

I've reverted your edits so that you can get it right next time. You have been told countless times that if you make errors and can't sort them out for yourself the place to ask is on the article's talk page, rather than repeatedly cluttering up the help desk when we know that you are determined never to learn from the advice which you are given here. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:09, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

And shortly thereafter, this. -- Hoary (talk) 13:12, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

This Editor Again

Has she lost her password, or is she posting these questions logged out because she knows that she asks too many questions about references? (Better to ask questions about references than to not use references, but that is a very well-watched page.) Robert McClenon (talk) 19:31, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: The editor always edits as an IP (for years). See contribs for 175.32.0.0/16 and 175.33.0.0/16 (possibly more). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 04:16, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

User:AlanM1 - Almost always. See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&type=revision&diff=965597379&oldid=965593811&diffmode=source . Maybe she forgot to log out. Robert McClenon (talk) 08:28, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon and Hoary: So why is it that this is allowed to continue? At some point, WP:CIR, no? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:15, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Absolutely. This editor has been a time sink on the Help Desk for years, and repeatedly makes the same mistakes but never learns from the answers given here. He/she has been told on numerous occasions that if they are incapable of correcting their own errors (or remembering where the "Undo" button is) they should ask on the relevant article's talk page not here. I would certainly be in favour of a CIR block. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:44, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

If anyone makes such a proposal at WP:AN or WP:ANI, I will support it. I will be looking. We do know what her original account is; she used above. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:38, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon (talk · contribs) David Biddulph (talk · contribs) here is the prior ANI thread if you want to reference it since the behavior hasn't changed. StarM 16:22, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm A Royal Society of the art Fellow

Hi,

I would like to be on the list Of Royal Society of the Arts Fellows Page

Linkedin Profile

You may call the Royal Society of the Arts to verify.

(redacted)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdm7dv (talk • contribs) 09:04, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Jdm7dv I assume you mean List of fellows of the Royal Society of Arts. List articles are not for listing every possible member of the list, but only those that merit Wikipedia articles. If you meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person and merit an article, someone should eventually take note of your work and choose to write about you. Autobiographical articles are highly discouraged per the autobiography policy. Also be advised that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. 331dot (talk) 09:09, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Jdm7dv: I removed the image of your RSA card from this post, since we ask everyone to NOT put personal info here, and because we would not use it as a source anywhere in Wikipedia. -Arch dude (talk) 14:30, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

How to make wikipedia page

Hello, I am making wikipedia page for myself. but wikipedia contributer deleted that draft and showing message like wikipedia is not a host. kindly help me out for from this problem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Govind Laljibhai Dholakia (talk • contribs) 10:49, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Govind Laljibhai Dholakia, I will help you, but probably not the way you wanted. I will advise you to stop trying to create a Wikipedia article about yourself. If you do not meet the Wikipedia criteria for notability - most people don't - then all work that you and anybody else puts in to trying to create an article will be wasted. If you do meet these criteria, then there could be an article about you. You are strongly advised not to write an article about yourself, because you are likely to find it hard to write neutrally about yourself. Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, so if you tried to write about yourself you would have to forget everything you know about yourself, and just write it from independent material published about you: do you see how hard that would be? If you are notable, then eventually somebody uninvolved will choose to write an article about you: this article will not belong to you, you will not have control of its contents, and it could contain information that you would prefer that it did not. --ColinFine (talk) 11:03, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Govind Laljibhai Dholakia: There are multiple messages at your talk page which at least go some way to explaining the problem. Wikipedia is not a form of social media where individuals can create articles about themselves in the manner of Facebook and similar sites. It is an encyclopedia where articles are created about subjects that pass the notability guidelines but they will be written by persons without any connection to the topic and will report upon what has been written about the subject in multiple independent, reliable sources by equally independent authors. Autobiographical articles are discouraged and may not always be a good idea. Eagleash (talk) 11:06, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

I need a little help

I am trying to edit and copy the text file in this format: Source: http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/release?rid=118

         1900          1991            1992   
AL:   1,830,000      1,907,000       1,935,000
AK:      n/a            n/a             n/a
AZ:    124,000        131,000         138,000	

and NOT in the format it is

1900	1,830,000	n/a	124,000


            AL             AK            AZ
1900:   1,830,000          n/a         124,000 
1991:   1,907,000          n/a         131,000
1992:   1,935,000          n/a         138,000

This is for my school project, can I get some help on that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fomodon (talk • contribs) 12:03, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Fomodon. I think this relates to the article List of U.S. states and territories by historical population, and I get that it's something about changing the layout of a table, to index by state or by date. But I'm not sure exactly what you want to do. Is it the the table in the article has states as rows and years as columns, and the data in your source has it the other way round? If so, I think you're just going to have to copy the numbers individually, cell by cell. I don't think there's a tool for importing it as a whole. Or have I misunderstood what you're trying to do? --ColinFine (talk) 14:18, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Fomodon: I added <pre>...</pre> around your pre-formatted text above to make it clearer what you are trying to say. This is necessary to preserve any kind of column alignment and newlines in text that you add – otherwise everything runs together. It's generally not suitable for articles (we have other formatting for that, like bullets and tables), but can be used on talk pages, like this one.

As far as the question, there are ways to do it using spreadsheets or text editors, but if you're not familiar with those already, the best way forward is just to (carefully please) type the numbers in or paste them in and then copy/paste to rearrange them. Hopefully, you're not trying to do this on a phone, which would be difficult to do accurately. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:29, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Programmatic use of Wikipedia

On my website I have lists of museums in London. When a user wants more information I link them them to Wikipedia rather than building up my database. but if Wikipedia has no relevant entry, I want to take some other action. Is there any way of telling if Wikipedia has a given article or not?

Bev Rowe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:BA89:B601:549E:BEEC:E021:AF55 (talk) 12:50, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

See mw:API:Search#Sample code. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:03, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref

I am having trouble trying to work out what i need to to remove and re do my references and remove the red in citing ny draft for Paracommando Qualification — Preceding unsigned comment added by Exsap (talk • contribs) 14:10, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Exsap: With this edit, the editor from whom you requested help gave an example of what is required. The missing parameters need to be added and / or completed. Please see Template:Cite web for all parameters, though not all are required in every instance, 'title', 'url', 'website', 'date', are the essential ones. Author's name if available (in the form of 'last=xxx|first=yyy'. Accessdate is also useful though apparently no longer seen as essential. Please note Wikipedia should not be used as a source. Eagleash (talk) 14:24, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Exsap. If you use citation templates such as {{cite web}} (which I recommend}, they require several bits of information which you haven't provided, such as the title. In fact, however you present citations, a URL is not usually the important part of a citation, it's just a convenience for the reader. The important bit is things like the title, author, date, and where it was published. Please read REFB. But in any case, the comments that Fiddle Faddle has put on your draft show that formatting your references is the least of your worries. Unless and until you find the reliable independent sources that are required to establish notability, then every single moment you have spent on this draft will have been wasted. --ColinFine (talk) 14:31, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

If 'cite web' is used but no url is added, then it tends to produce the error messages. Eagleash (talk) 15:29, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Exsap, I have tried very hard to help you. I am willing to try harder. I am perplexed that you keep asking the question without implementing the answer. The answer doesn't change whoever you ask. If you would like my help please use my talk page. Let's take this a small step at a time Fiddle Faddle 14:38, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Agarum

Howdy! I wrote an article about the Ancient Near Eastern land of Agarum. I know how to add images, but I do not know how to add coordinates, text, &c. on an existing image. Could somebody add there a map, where Al-Ahsa Oasis, Bahrain Island, and Failaka Island are marked? (In the same way as the Al-Ahsa Oasis has a map with a red dot indicating its location?) This map might be a good starting point, especially if cropped to only depict the Persian Gulf and Eastern Arabia. (Modern state borders might be confusing here.) --Miihkali (talk) 14:40, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Miihkali, I cannot help you myself, but asking the question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geography would make sense. The editors there tend to be specialists Fiddle Faddle 14:47, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Timtrent, thank you very much! --Miihkali (talk) 14:51, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

United Macedonian Diaspora article

I am seeking Admin support on the United Macedonian Diaspora article. I have followed all Wikipedia procedures on editing articles and properly citing them, and have elaborated all of this in the deletion page of this article. Certain users nominated the article for deletion, and keep editing and deleting. Currently, there is a blatant copyright violation on the article for one of my additions. I tripled-checked and there are no copyright issues with my additions. I confirmed this with the Parliament of Australia website. The Australian Parliament specifically states " In essence, you are free to copy and communicate material on this website in its current form for all non-commercial purposes, as long as you attribute the author and abide by the other licence terms. General content from this website should be attributed as Parliament of Australia website." Source: https://www.aph.gov.au/Help/Disclaimer_Privacy_Copyright#c

Can someone please look into this matter, confirm sources are reliable, and ensure that neutrality is respected? It seems that the users have a personal agenda or something on the organization. I cannot understand what's the problem. Macedonia1913 (talk) 14:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Macedonia1913: Text at Wikipedia is free for re-use even for commercial purposes. Since the Australian Parliament have released their text using a non-commercial license, CC-BY-NC-ND, it must not be pasted into Wikipedia. -- John of Reading (talk) (not an admin) 15:01, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you John of Reading. Can the text be summarized, and then used? Macedonia1913 (talk) 15:09, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Macedonia1913: Absolutely. That's how Wikipedia works. BUT, please read up on the sticky details of copyright law. "close paraphrasing" is not allowed since it retains the "creative elements" of the source: see Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing. You need to extract the information and then convey that information in your own words. Sorry about this: we at Wikipedia did not write the copyright laws, but we must abide by them. -Arch dude (talk) 15:14, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Arch dude: - super helpful, thanks! I paraphrased the Australian Parliament reports. Can you please check if I did the right thing? I would not want to have copyright issues. Macedonia1913 (talk) 15:38, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Update: Even my paraphrase was deleted from the page with no apparent reason. Why? Macedonia1913 (talk) 16:49, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Maybe the sources are reliable. But that's not enough. See WP:N. What is needed is significant coverage in reliable independent sources. Despite all the effort by Macedonia1913 and others, no such sources have been found. Maproom (talk) 15:30, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Maproom: I found numerous reliable and independent sources and added them to the article, you can check in the view history - all of these were deleted. My question is why? Does 1 chapter in a book published on academia.edu, or a full Journal paper of 20 pages not constitute significant coverage? Macedonia1913 (talk) 15:41, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Macedonia1913: The most recent revert was for "primary sources" (WP:PRIMARY), not for copyvio. Please engage with the other editor on the article's talk page. Please assume good faith (WP:AGF) even (or especially!) if this assumption is suspect. If the two of you cannot reach a consensus, then and only then proceed as described in WP:DISPUTE. -Arch dude (talk) 17:18, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Lacking sources

Hello this D. A. Pennebaker article lacks references. I don't think it contains any incorrect statements, but I was trying to translate it to russian and it hard to search for all the sources and adding "citation needed" would be probably too many templates. So what should I do? I could try to cite everything myself but that someone else could do it much easier and faster.--DonGuess (talk) 15:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@DonGuess: we are all volunteers, and each of us (about 100,000 active editors in any 30-day period) do whatever we want to do, in a chaotic crowdsourced fashion. Finding "someone else" to do this will be a challenge. You might try to post a request for help on the article's talk page: editors who have chosen to monitor that page might be willing to help. -Arch dude (talk) 17:25, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Ok, but maybe I can add some of template or add the article to some sort of a category? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DonGuess (talk • contribs) 17:29, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@DonGuess: You are correct: strewing {{fact}} around all over the place is not the best approach. According to its documentation: "For entire articles or sections that contain significant material lacking citations (rather than just specific short passages), there are other, more appropriate templates, such as {{Unreferenced}} and {{More citations needed}} (for whole articles) as well as {{Unreferenced section}} and {{Refimprove section}} (for sections of articles)." -Arch dude (talk) 22:37, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

How to I create a Wikipedia article?

I am attempting to make a Wikipedia for my grandfather, who was a songwriter in Nashville with Gary Stewart. I have created it in my sandbox and published it. Now how can I make it an actually Wikipedia article?

It also tells me that my account needs to be confirmed to upload photos. This is not the easiest system to work in. Help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sabine91 (talk • contribs) 16:19, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Sabine91. It's true that Wikipedia is not very easy: it's huge, and there is so much to understand about it. Unfortunately, you have done what many new editors do, and plunged straight into the one of the most difficult tasks there is in editing Wikipedia: creating a new article. Not only that, but you have taken on something even harder: creating an article about somebody you have a connection with. Wikipedia regards you as having a conflict of interest - this doesn't prevent you from creating an article, but it does make it harder for you.

You have also done the same thing as most new users do (and I did myself in the early days): you have written from what you know. Even if you did not have a connection with the subject, that it not how it works. Wikipedia isn't interested in what you know (or what I know, or what any random person on the internet knows) - even, or rather, especially, if you have a personal connection with the subject. What Wikipedia is interested in, solely, is information that is available in reliably-published sources; and, mostly, sources with no connection with the subject of an article.

So, to succeed in what you are trying to do, you need first of all to establish that your grandfather meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability by finding several places where people who have no connection with your grandfather, have chosen (unprompted by any information directly from him, such as interviews) to write at some length about him, and been published in reliable places (they don't have to be online: books from reputable publishers, or major magazines, are acceptable even if they're not available online) . If you cannot find such sources - and enough material in them to base almost the whole of the article on - then an article on him is never going to be acceptable, and any work you have already done will have been wasted. If you can find these sources, then you can go ahead and write the article entirely based on these sources. Photos are another complexity, and I certainly wouldn't worry about those until the article and its sources are in better shape.

If this sounds discouraging, well, I'm afraid it is, rather. What you have taken on is extremely difficult. But if you would like to leave that project aside, at least for the moment, and get involved with improving our encyclopaedia, you would be very welcome. When you have learnt something about how it works, you can see whether you want to pick it up again. I've put a welcome message, with some useful linke, on your user talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 16:48, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Article review

Hi Folks. I'm currently reviewing two articles for GA. I'm not that great at the application of WP:MOS, I tend to rely on the Gnomish folk, so I'm looking for an editor who knows the Manual of Style well, who wouldn't mind having a look at the two articles, and passing on any glaring or obvious fixes needing to be undertaking. Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 17:31, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Scope creep, What are the GA's? CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 19:15, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek They are Talk:Manned Orbiting Laboratory/GA1 and Talk:Mitsuharu Misawa/GA1. scope_creep^Talk 19:39, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek The first one is ready for a review of the MOS. The second is getting close. scope_creep^Talk 19:40, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Can't find any outside verification

I am editing an article about an obscure battle and I can't find any outside verification that it happened. Do I put a note saying this on the article? How? There are also issues with the citations currently there, as they don't support the article except one anonymous source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lekarren (talk • contribs) 18:41, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• @Lekarren: Could you tell us which obscure battle article this is? Your contribution history only shows this post on the help desk and a similar post at the military history wikiproject.

At any rate, the article should not give facts that are not sourced to reliable sources. The mere fact that a battle is not attested in reliable historical sources does not mean that it does not deserve an article, if there is critical commentary of the story of that battle; but then it should clearly be labeled as fictional/mythical. For instance the Illiad describes possibly-real battles but involves a lot of supernatural interventions, and Ragnarök is set in the future so is not a historical event even for Norse-mythology believers. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 20:54, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply. It is this Forgotten Campaign of the Manuripi Region. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgotten_campaign_of_the_Manuripi_region . It mentions a Lino Echeverria. I can't find anything mentioning him except blogs, with no author, that all have the same information, including in Spanish. I checked each of the sources in the article and they are anonymous and a YouTube video that doesn't address it. This "campaign" I can't find outside sources that aren't anonymous, as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lekarren (talk • contribs) 00:26, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Lekarren, I replied to your post over at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Coordinators#Query with a few references for you. Let me know if there's anything I can help with. Quick tip, if you end each of your talk page posts with four tildes (~~~~) it'll post your signature so we know who you are and stop the "Preceding unsigned comment" message - Dumelow (talk) 06:43, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

thank you! Lekarren (talk) 20:05, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Categorizing Redirects

We have a complex set of template categories for redirects, complex enough that we have shells to put them in. I have a two-part question. The first is where there is a general set of instructions for categorizing redirects. There is a list of categories, but it isn't organized. If I create or tweak a redirect, I would like to categorize it correctly, but I often cannot find the correct category, and sometimes when I guess at the category, it stares at me in red (so that I have to tweak it again), and occasionally it stares back at me with a weird error message saying that I am using that redirect category in the wrong namespace (and I have to tweak it again). Where is there a general set of instructions for categorizing redirects?

Second, I have a very specific question about a redirect that I am not sure I got right. It is John S. Kenyon. There are two people with that name and that initial. The redirect sends you to John Kenyon (disambiguation), because we don't need John S. Kenyon (disambiguation). But what is the right way to disambiguate the redirect when there are two people with that form of the name and it sends you to a list of six or eight people?

Robert McClenon (talk) 19:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: The closest thing I know of is the navbox {{R template index}}. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 04:25, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Categories

I just found a link to a sandbox in Category:People who faked their own death, should that be there? Naihreloe (talk) 23:20, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

No, Naihreloe, it shouldn't be there: ordinary categories should only contain articles (in main space). The standard way of dealing with this is to edit the sandbox, to insert a colon between the [[ and the 'Category': this will refer to the category, and be displayed on the page, but not put the draft into the category. Once the draft is accepted to mainspace, then the colon can be removed. --ColinFine (talk) 23:28, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Am I allowed to edit it? I don't want to go fiddling about in someone else's sandbox if it's not allowed! Naihreloe (talk) 23:29, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

I think you are, as User:ColinFine said that ordinary categories should only contain articles. Make sure you only edit the sandbox to remove the category and don't mess with the actual content. JIP | Talk 23:36, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, Naihreloe, you are, in cases like this. See WP:UOWN. --ColinFine (talk) 14:19, 4 July 2020 (UTC)