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August 5

Copyright quandary

I find images in MediaCommons that can be used if a given tag is included; however, I have yet to discover a location for the tag's inclusion. Advice on this matter would be most appreciated.My specific case can be viewed under Licensing at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Albatros_D.I.jpg.

Help with this will lead to ongoing article improvements, as I will continue to use skills gained in (near) future articles. Georgejdorner (talk) 01:30, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

@Georgejdorner: Hi there! If your question isn't answered at commons:Help:Contents, then you could try commons:Commons:Help desk. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 01:49, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

@Georgejdorner: You don't need to add a tag to use the image. Instead, the uploader was supposed to add the tag to the image description page. Did you upload the image? if so, edit the image description page and add {{PD-US}} or a more specific tag as appropriate. Add it right after the current tag. -Arch dude (talk) 02:02, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

The 'problem' in Talk:Besta-deild karla

Talk:Besta-deild karla has a section 'Remove the hyphen from the title'. In the section, a page move from 'Besta-deild karla' to 'Besta deild karla' has been proposed. The page Besta-deild karla has not been moved yet. However, Template:Title notice has not been added to the page, and the template should not be manually transcluded. What can be done to this situation? Intolerable situation (talk) 02:49, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

@Intolerable situation: {{Title notice}} says: "Follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Requested moves § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves." Those instructions say to use {{subst:requested move|...}} for potentially controversial moves. Then a bot can discover the move discussion and add {{Title notice}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:42, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

IP Address

Hi, I am a new user and edited some information before creating an account, my IP address was publicly published. Can I please request a suppression of my IP address?

Thank you for your time. Campotexis (talk) 06:02, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi Campotexis. You should take a look at WP:OVERSIGHT and WP:LOGGEDOUT for reference. You will need to email OVERSIGHT and let them know which edit you made so that they can supress the IP address. Including a link to the edit in your email should be all you need to do. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:17, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the information Campotexis (talk) 13:44, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly I know this is important to many people, and that is fine, but I have never understood it. What privacy can be breached if your fake name/Wiki handle is linked to your city or state by the IP address? And if it's only your IP address, and no account name, all we know is that (for example) an editor in or near Chicago said XYZ.

My IP address used to show up as being from a city that's 225 miles away from here. I plan to get a user account, and I don't know why I should be concerned even if that account ends up being linked to my IP. Perhaps I am being naive... 71.228.112.175 (talk) 07:30, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

If you're serious about wanting an answer... the risk mainly comes when the IP address appears elsewhere, one day in the past or future. For example, a leaky forum where you posted an image of your house, or family, from your IP, or a hacked database where you supplied your email and phone number along with your IP, or some other particular leaked Internet logs. The possibilities for linking data are enormous, and if you upset the wrong people you could soon end up with death threats posted to your front door or worse. There are some seriously messed up people out there who would be happy to abuse your personal data, and there are some seriously vulnerable people. And please don't think I'm being over-dramatic. There are also different types of addresses; they're not all just a bunch of random numbers in a another city. They can be used to find people, with great detail. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 07:51, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

The OP asked how they could have their IP address suppressed, and I simply was just trying to answer their question. Whether there are serious risks associated with someone editing from an IP account and what those risks might be are probably questions best directed to an expert in internet privacy and security, but whatever risks there are probably vary quite a bit based on who you are. If you Google about this, you'll find a plethora of general information and then you can figure out whether it's something you need to be concerned about. In many cases, making your IP address public is probably not going to matter; however, there are certainly lots of "clever" people out there whose "job" is related to the buying, selling or otherwise exploiting of even the most apparently benign bits of information they're able to find online. If there's a way for someone to take advantage of such information that can make them some money, then they probably will. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:48, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly, @Zzuuzz. Thanks to both of you, that helps. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 07:22, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Adding information that is correct, but not necessarily required

I found this page https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pencil_skirt&oldid=1102489551 about pencil skirts, and someone added another image https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pencil_skirt&oldid=1086105941 but it was removed because "let's not make this political". The edit in question doesn't bring up any politics, and it is indeed a pencil skirt, so I don't see why it can't be added. Thunderstruc (talk) 09:59, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

The best place to discuss this is at Talk:Pencil skirt. AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:12, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, this specific case is better to discuss there. But this is just an example of the question "should you add info that is correct, but not necessarily required?" Thunderstruc (talk) 10:20, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

The only sensible answer to a vague general question like that is 'it depends'. Wikipedia is attempting to be an encyclopaedia, not a database, and as a matter of course includes things that aren't necessarily 'required'. It comes down to judgement, common sense, and an understanding that people aren't always going to agree on whether something merits inclusion or not. AndyTheGrump (talk) 11:41, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Placing a 2017 image of Melanie Trump as first lady in a "History" section [1] could be seen as political when she may become first lady again. I don't know fashion but is it a typical pencil skirt when it has large buttons in the side? The description at File:Awada & Melania.jpg links https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4452446/Melania-Trump-wears-edgy-military-inspired-suit.html which only says pencil about the other woman, the first lady of Argentina. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:31, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Yan Shi Zhang

Zhang Yanshi on August 28, 1969-) was born in Bukit Timah Hill, Singapore, a Chinese venture capitalist, entrepreneur, and philanthropist Yan shi zhang is the founder and CEO of Polaris Venture Fund. Yan shi zhang is famous for his long-term venture capital and angel investment. He is engaged in: IT core technology, financial technology, medical care, AR/VR, robotics, drones, space technology blockchain, and other cutting-edge technologies that have great value to society . Currently mainly active in the field of blockchain and cryptocurrency. He is also a well-known philanthropist. There are substantial charitable giving in Singapore and the US. In 2018, he was invited to join Skuchain and served as the chairman of the board. Life: hmdnasir (talk) 13:10, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, hmdnasir. There is no point in posting information about a person here on the help page. There are no "staff" who will pick up your suggestion and make articles. You may post a request at requested articles, but there is no guarantee that a volunteer will action your request, and to be honest the take-up there is very low.

If you think that Zhang meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then your best bet is to find the sources which establish notability (remember that these cannot include anything written, published, or commissioned by Zhang and his associates: Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.) and try to get somebody interested in creating an article about him. WT:WikiProject Singapore may be a place to ask, but you'll probably have to do more than just placing his details: you are effectively competing for a volunteer's time, so you need to give somebody a reason why they might want to work on this. Finding evidence of notability would be a good start, because if you cannot find sufficient independent sources, you'll know that there's no point in anybody spending any more time on this.

If you choose to try to create the article yourself (which I would not recommend for a new editor) please start by reading your first article. ColinFine (talk) 14:55, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Languages of Uttar Pradesh

Some guys has edited languages of Uttar Pradesh page with wrong source. https://www.uponline.in/about/profile/culture/languages-of-uttar-pradesh Here the source link for census result, Bhojpuri is second most spoken language/dialect of UP. Still they brought some unknown language and updated which no one knows in UP — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saurabh Kumar Chaubey (talk • contribs) 13:10, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Saurabh Kumar. The talk page Talk:Languages of Uttar Pradesh is the page to discuss this, rather than here. ColinFine (talk) 14:56, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Request to review

Hello. Want to see if anyone is free to review the page AMTD Digital? Trying to make sure it is ready while the subject is still of interest.

-Imcdc (talk) 13:24, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello Imcdc. You created the article straight in mainspace and the new pages patrol will get round to reviewing it in due course (they have a large backlog). Meanwhile it won't be indexed by search engines. You might like to rephrase the first sentence where you say this company provides digital solution platforms as that is marketing-speak that an encyclopaedia ought not to use (see WP:SOLUTIONS). Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:14, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Page has been reviewed now. I have also updated the header to remove such marketing wording. Thanks -Imcdc (talk) 02:46, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Imcdc I note that there is a redirect from AMTD to TD Ameritrade owing to the latter's stock ticker. Now the new article exists, maybe there would be a case for a WP:HATNOTE on them. AMTD Digital would now be a good prospect for a WP:DYK, I think. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:07, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

editing page

Hi, I'm sorry to bother you. I don't really know if it would be me or yourselves who edit the pages. If me then but can you tell me how to add another box for this season as Alex is on loan with ST Johnstone all year and has already played one game. So need to add another Colum etc as he will be playing weekly. The box needs to be added so if you are adding then great, or can you tell me how to please. Really appreciate your help PaulMitchell1962 (talk) 13:44, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

@PaulMitchell1962: Please provide a link to the article in question. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 13:58, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Done. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 14:07, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

PaulMitchell1962, Nehme 1499 updated Alex Mitchell (English footballer). Your username suggests you are related to the article subject. In that case it would be better to let other editors do the editing. See Wikipedia:Conflict of interest for details. Robby.is.on (talk) 14:10, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

national intelligence service

Hi I wanted to edit the national intelligence service page to include an organization that is also called national intelligence service but is based in the USA. would you please help me update or create a new page. Thank you CordeusCerame (talk) 16:20, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

@CordeusCerame: National Intelligence Service is a disambiguation page. It is a list of Wikipedia articles, not a list of organizatins in the world. If the new organization is notable by our definition, it can be the subject of a new article. If it is not notable by our definition, then it cannot have an article at all, so start by reading WP:NCORP. Only after you know it's notable, then go to WP:YFA to see how to write the article. Once the new article exists, it can be added to the disambiguation page. -Arch dude (talk) 16:59, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

eeeek

I did a source assessment table and ended up apparently screwing up the markup. Can anyone help? It's 22 sources for an article that has already been AfD'd twice so I really need to provide this evidence and I'm about to start drinking.

Here's what I ended up with when I copied:

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{{ source assess table |
Washington Business Journal				✔ Yes {{ source assess	source = [[Broadcast Management	ind = n	ind_just = He's the CEO	rel = -	rel_just =	sig = y	sig_just = }}
Sports Video	? appears to be generated from a press release	? evidence of editorial oversight is iffy	mentioned once for a quote	✘ No
Sports Video again	interview	? evidence of editorial oversight is iffy		✘ No
TM Broadcast International	? appears to be generated from a press release	? no evidence of editorial oversight	bare mention	✘ No
Big West Conference	affiliated, appears to be generated from a press release	press release	bare mention, attributing a quote	✘ No
TV Technology	? appears to be generated from a press release	? no evidence of	bare mention, attributing two quotes	✘ No
Post Perspective	interview	? appears to be a blog? May have some editorial oversight		✘ No
Sports Video again	? appears to have been generated from a press release	? evidence of editorial oversight is iffy	bare mention	✘ No
Brainstorm 3D	? appears to have been generated from a press release	no evidence of editiorial oversight	bare mention	✘ No
Sports Video again	? appears to have been generated from yet another press release	? evidence of editorial oversight is iffy	bare mention	✘ No
Yet again with the Sports Video	Ah! Subject's company is a sponsor of Sports Video! That explains a few things	? evidence of editorial oversight is iffy	bare mention	✘ No
TV Technology again	likely press release	? no evidence of editorial oversight	~ article subject quoted twice and mentioned one other time in brief puffery story, but probably not really sigcov	✘ No
Ikegami Tsushinki	press release from partner	press release from partner	article subject quoted in press release	✘ No
Washington Business Journal again	? appears to be generated from a PR		? paywall, but appears to be routine business coverage by local media about the company, not the article subject	? Unknown
IMDb	crowdsourced	crowdsourced		✘ No
Washington Business Journal again	appears to be routine business coverage generated from a press release		? behind paywall	✘ No {{ source assess	source = And yet again [[Washington Business Journal	ind = n	ind_just = appears to be generated from a press release	rel = y	rel_just =	sig =  ?	sig_just = paywall }}
And again Washington Business Journal	press release		? paywall	✘ No
Washington Post			About company, not article subject, and one of 21 companies discussed	✘ No
Telly Award	?	?	? Cannot find mention of article subject	? Unknown
Telly Award again	?	?	? cannot find mention of article subject	? Unknown }}

Can anyone fix this? Valereee (talk) 17:58, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

 Fixed at Talk:Todd Mason#Notability * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:01, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

OMG @Pppery, thank you so much. I was like noooooooooooo... Valereee (talk) 18:03, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Is there any user script that will highlight particular words in particular colors?

I know of one that highlights specific web links, but that uses HTML elements as selectors, while words are not unique HTML elements. So has a script like this ever been made on Wikipedia? —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 19:50, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

I don't know of anything existing that does that, so I threw together this:

words = [ "Your", "Words", "Here" ];
words.forEach( word => {
 wordREX = new regExp(word, 'g');
 $("body").children().each(function() {
  $(this).html($(this).html().replace(wordREX,'<span style="background-color: orange">'+word+'</span>'));
 });
});

Does this do what you want? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WelpThatWorked (talk • contribs) 22:33, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

@WelpThatWorked: Thank you. See also the message at User talk:Chlod. —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 04:34, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

How do I get found on Wikipedia

I have a business which I want to be recognised on Wikipedia. How do I send information and to who? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.90.202.89 (talk) 20:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

That is not how Wikipedia works. It is not a form of directory or for publicity purposes. Wikipedia contains articles about notable topics (see WP:NCORP) which have been written by persons (editors) with no connection to the subject and based upon what has been written about that subject in independent, reliable sources. Any article would not be 'yours' or for the benefit of the business; it would be Wikipedia's article about your company; you would not control it and would not be permitted to edit it directly. Eagleash (talk) 20:34, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Mutarelli

Hello! This list on notable people with the last name Mutarelli only lists two people. Should the list be deleted and a message be displayed on each page about the other person, or should more people be found with the surname Mutarelli so that this can be made into a disambiguation page? Thanks! 𝙷𝚎𝚕𝚕𝚘𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝 👋❤️ (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔🤔) 20:49, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

@Helloheart: Lourenço Mutarelli and Massimo Mutarelli a unrelated and not confused with eachother unless they are commonly referred to as just "Mutarelli" so there is no reason to display a hatnote about the other person. Mutarelli is a surname page. The purpose is not disambiguation. It might be nominated for deletion but I think we have a low bar for surname pages. Category:Surnames has 91,000 pages although many are redirects. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:53, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

@Helloheart The rules for this are based on whether there's a primary topic for the title; for a name, that would be the case if one person with the name would be much more likely to be searched for than anyone else with that name. If there's a primary topic, then we point the link at that topic, and put a note at the top of the page (called a hatnote) so that people searching for someone else with the same name could find them. If there isn't a primary topic, then we create a list of possible search results (a disambiguation page) even if there are only two results, so that we can show a list of possibilities for someone who searches for the name rather than having to guess which one they want.

In this case, neither of the people in question seems to be known primarily by their surname, so it's likely that a search for a particular person would use both names, and so if someone searches for the surname alone, we should probably give them a list of possibilities. So I don't think anything needs changing here, even if it turns out that there are only two notable people with that name. --ais523 22:28, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Looking To Get Some assistance

I'm new to the editing world on Wikipedia and trying to work on my first article entry. For the sources used, what is considered to be a good amount generally to showcase authority for a topic? Martystlouis21 (talk) 21:57, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Martystlouis21! It depends on how big your page is. Unless it is a really small stub (a short article), use more than two references. Otherwise a good rule of thumb is to find as many sources as possible (but not WAY too much... that's not a good idea) and use them when you use a fact from a particular website. If you cannot find enough sources from notable sources then maybe the subject is not notable enough. (See WP:GNG) The right place to ask this question is probably the Teahouse. You've got a reasonable amount of edits so you are probably ready. Another good thing to do is look at a featured article and see how it cites things for an idea. Good luck and happy editing! 𝙷𝚎𝚕𝚕𝚘𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝 👋❤️ (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔🤔) 22:05, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

@Martystlouis21: you need two or three solid references to establish notability. If they are substantial enough to establish notability, then you will almost certainly use each of them as references for multiple assertions you make in the article. After you do that, you should concentrate on writing a good encyclopedic article, not on the number of references per se. As you write your article, you will need to add references for each fact you add to the article, so the number of facts you add that are not already covered in your main references will determine the number of references you need. This may vary radically depending on how comprehensive your main references are. In my opinion trying to cram in additional references is not the way to build a good article. -Arch dude (talk) 17:35, 6 August 2022 (UTC)