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December 17

Creating Political Biographies

Hi! I really need help creating a biography for a new congressional candidate. Can anyone help please?? Zachgreen45 (talk) 00:51, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

First of all, gather materials about or mentioning the individual you want to write about. Make sure that they are significant coverage from reliable and independent sources (this list can help you determine the reliability of certain sources), such as news articles or published books. Avoid using stuff published by the individual or their associates as much as possible. When you feel that you have enough materials, you can create a draft with Article Wizard, remember to follow Manual of Style for Biography of Living Person. Submit it when you finish, then wait for a reviewer to accept and publish it into the mainspace. Noted that since the individual you mentioned is still a candidate, it might not be notable enough to qualify for an article unless sufficient coverage is provided to show that the person meets Notability guideline for people. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 01:59, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

@Zachgreen45:

• First, you need to very carefully read the inclusion (or Notability) criteria specific to politicians, which is a subsection of the larger inclusion criteria for people, which is itself a sub page of the general inclusion criteria. Does this person meet those criteria? Are you able to demonstrate they meet those criteria by reference to reliable sources which were created independant of the person, and which provide substantial coverage of the person?
• Second, if you work for or are affiliated with the candidate or their campaign, you need to very very carefully read the policy on conflict of interest editing and paid editing, and make the mandatory disclosures.
• Third, after satisfying yourself that they meet the criteria and after making your mandatory disclosures, you are ready to begin a draft using the article wizard. Forget everything you know about the person and use only information that can be sourced to reliable independent sources. After every factual statement, include a citation to the source that contains that information. Avoid puffery. Remember, you are not here to promote this candidate, simply to summarize in neutral terms what various reliable sources have said about the person.
• Last, submit the article to articles for creation for feedback and acceptance/rejection. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 05:19, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Tool that allows for easy linking (other than AWB)

I would like to put systematically add redlinks for subjects I know are notable, faster than it would be to manually search mentions of them and individually edit all those articles. Any user scripts help with this? Mach61 (talk) 01:08, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Is mass addition of redlinks a task that is supported by guidance? I get the feeling some people might take issue with that. Folly Mox (talk) 01:45, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Nothing in WP:REDLINKS proscribes doing that, and everything I plan to link are topics that generally should be linked on first mention Mach61 (talk) 02:26, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

@Mach61: I enjoy using Find link to link articles, but it has a check that prevents you from adding redlinks. GoingBatty (talk) 02:25, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

High school inclusion discussion. Is there a systemic bias?

Please compare Draft:List of high schools in Hatay vs. List of high schools in New Hampshire. I picked these two because the two regions have approximately the same population, around 1.5 million. The first list has zero articles on Wikipedia whereas the second has dozens. I've been trying to write an article for one school on the first list, Draft:İstiklal Makzume Anadolu Lisesi, and it keeps getting declined, the editors asking for more in-depth coverage. Meanwhile, if I try to nominate a problematic US school article for deletion for having almost no references, I immediately get a WP:NEXISTS in response. When I bring this up on AfC help desk, I get the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS response. Any help would be appreciated. Where is the right place to bring this up? I believe the editors are systemically less willing to use WP:NEXISTS if it is for a place that they are less familiar with. Gorkem80 (talk) 02:28, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't think systemic bias is the issue with regards to your draft being declined , rather that AfC reviewers place the burden of providing sources onto drafters, and don’t accept NEXIST arguments. Note that AfC is optional and that you’re free to move the article unilaterally. Mach61 (talk) 02:37, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

A lot of articles about subjects in United States or other western countries were created in the early years of Wikipedia, when the rules for inclusion were more loose, and many of them were ignored for all these years. In next few days I'll go after some problematic articles like Jesse Remington High School. This kind of unfairness do need more attention. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 02:53, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

@Mach61@TutwakhamoeThanks so much, these responses were very helpful! So for now, I moved the article to the main space, I didn't know I could do that! I worked on the article a lot and I believe it establishes notability and has a good encyclopedic coverage, in spite of the limited available references. I'll wait and see if it will get any objections. Gorkem80 (talk) 03:37, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Gorkem80, what would you say are the reliable, secondary sources that establish notability for the subject? I do not read Turkish, so I can't easily tell which are close to the subject and which are not. Remsense留 08:09, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

@Gorkem80 Note also that things changed in Wikipedia in 2017, as summarised at WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:50, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

The TL;DR is that it is not possible for Wikipedia to guarantee having a separate article about every school. The rules were clarified in 2017 to say that notability has to be established through secondary sourcing, as with other articles.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 14:13, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

@Remsense@Michael D. Turnbull@Ianmacm Thanks for the comments. I believe with the current references the subject's notability is established even without WP:NEXISTS. There is a good mix of national and local newspapers, covering news related to various aspects of the school, including local and national achievements, and statements from notable alumni regarding how their time at the school impacted their careers. The centralized placement exam is a big deal in Turkey and the school's students got coverage in the national newspapers at various points in time. This is not common, can not be dismissed as a "passing mention", since the notable success here is closely related to the domain of the institution that the person is affiliated with. So I don't agree with the second AfC reviewer ToadetteEdit's decision, and they indicated to me that they are doing an AfC review for the first time. I believe any experienced editor who is familiar with Turkey and the Turkish media would agree with me that the current coverage establishes notability in the post-2017 sense. Gorkem80 (talk) 16:11, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Gorkem80, I believe you're right. High schools outside of the US, Canada, and UK don't get the support they deserve. I believe the issue is that most of our editors reside in those countries, and don't give respect to other regions, particularly Asia and Africa. For my own part, I'm not good at finding sources for subjects outside the US, so for the most part I stick to this country. When I had more time and energy to devote to the project, I found that those could easily be defended. It just takes interested editors, especially those with local knowledge of languages and sources. — Jacona (talk) 16:59, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Sanremo

Why are there several monuments but only 4 images? Before removing something I ask here. JackkBrown (talk) 12:16, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I think it is just because someone changed the caption. The bottom photo is supposed to have several of the things mentioned, as it did in this earlier state. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:43, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Edit review requested

Please have a look at WP:ANI#Review requested. Thinking back, posting it on ANI was not a wise move, but there is nothing I can do about it now. Thanks. Janhrach (talk) 14:28, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I've filed a false positive report about the bot's report (albeit probably in a wrong format). Tutwakhamoe (talk) 17:02, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

2023 Washington Bridge closure

How do I prevent the bot from changing the proposed destination at 2023 Washington Bridge closure? --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:32, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

It looks as if it is insisting on using the destination you originally suggested on the talk page. I don't know how to change it - I suggest asking at User Talk:RMCD bot. ColinFine (talk) 19:22, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

How do I put this thing next to other thing

I want to put {{Motorsport driver results legend}} in line with the results table as seen in Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR#Results. How does one do this? I am not very good with computer. TIA. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 19:12, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

@X750:  Done in this edit. To do so, I did the following steps:

1. I clicked on the {{Motorsport driver results legend}} you provided.
2. In the Tools menu, I clicked "What links here".
3. Many articles just link to the template, which isn't what you wanted, so I checked the "Hide links" box and clicked the "Go" button to re-search.
4. I clicked on the first result: 2005 Grand Prix motorcycle racing season
5. I scrolled down to the "MotoGP standings" section and clicked "edit source"
6. In a different tab, I went to Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR#Racing results and clicked "edit source"
7. I compared the sources, and copied the extra code from 2005 Grand Prix motorcycle racing season to Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR
8. To make the tables line up well, I removed the table title from Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR (which was a duplicate of the section subheader.

Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:04, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you my friend, GoingBatty. Prosperity be upon your family. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 16:52, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Dr BRIJ MOHAN, Dean Emeritus, Louisina Stae University is author of 25 books, one of the most prolific Social Critics. His conspicuous absence in this Wikipedia is unfortunate.

Dr BRIJ MOHAN, Dean Emeritus, Louisina Stae University is author of 25 books, one of the most prolific Social Critics. His conspicuous absence in this Wikipedia is unfortunate. 2600:8807:606:8C00:840F:A3FF:17DD:6165 (talk) 21:02, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

See WP:PROF. If the individual you mention has been discussed in depth in multiple reliable and independent sources, then he might be a suitable subject of a Wikipedia article. If you wish to write such article by yourself,consider creating a draft with Article Wizard. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 21:13, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

. . . but before embarking on a draft, please read, digest, and follow the recommendations of Help:Your first article. -- Hoary (talk) 23:54, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

For the interested, presumably this man: [1]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)