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Image:Fish_cake.JPG[edit]

Image:Fish_cake.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Coolgirly88 (notify | contribs).

Image:Copy_of_100_0993.JPG[edit]

Image:Copy_of_100_0993.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Coolgirly88 (notify | contribs).
  • UE - Image is text with a blue background used on "hidden page." Cumulus Clouds (talk) 04:46, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image is used on a user subpage, that the user didn't move when she switched to the account IslaamMaged126. See below. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 11:51, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kept, no consensus to delete. – Quadell (talk) (random) 21:08, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:DSCN1889.JPG[edit]

Image:DSCN1889.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Coolgirly88 (notify | contribs).
  • UE - same as Image:Copy of 100_0993.JPG Cumulus Clouds (talk) 04:53, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Personally, I would have tolerated a reasonable amount of such images, as long as the user contributes to Wikipedia. The user has now apparently abandoned the account and now edits as User:IslaamMaged126; it would have been appropriate to ask her if she wants to have them preserved. (Chance is that she doesn't, which would have resolved the problem.) - Mike Rosoft (talk) 14:35, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • What do you mean"Preserved"?IslaamMaged126 (talk) 22:43, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • See your talk page. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 11:51, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • [User's response (copied from my talk page)] If the images pass the Files For Deletion,I would like them to be kept.IslaamMaged126 (talk) 12:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image has been created for a barnstar that she has awarded to another user; now used at that user's talk page archive and in User:Coolgirly88/Sandbox, nowhere else. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 11:51, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I say delete.I no longer need the image.IslaamMaged126 (talk) 12:25, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:Default.jpg[edit]

Image:Default.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Coolgirly88 (notify | contribs).
  • CV, LQ - Image is extremely small screen capture of TV program taken from a website without author's permission to illustrate Bodyshock:Born_with_two_Heads, which is nominated for deletion. Picture would not adequately illustrate the article's subject matter at that resolution, even if it did pass the AfD. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 04:57, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I must agree that this is an unbelivably small picture.I say delete.12:23, 25 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by IslaamMaged126 (talk • contribs)

    • I've taken the liberty of protecting this name as a generic image title - it has a history of having random stuff uploaded to it—Random832 17:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Image:100_1347.JPG[edit]

Image:100_1347.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Coolgirly88 (notify | contribs).

Image:100_1349.JPG[edit]

Image:100_1349.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Coolgirly88 (notify | contribs).

Image:Cutie.JPG[edit]

Image:Cutie.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Coolgirly88 (notify | contribs).

Kept, no consensus to delete. – Quadell (talk) (random) 21:08, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:DC.JPG[edit]

Image:DC.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Milan8919 (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 05:41, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DJ._Hit-Maka.jpg[edit]

Image:DJ._Hit-Maka.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Dj.hit-maka (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 05:44, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Idefix westie.JPG[edit]

Image:Idefix westie.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Theok21 (notify | contribs).

Image:Baix Vinalopó Map.png[edit]

Image:Baix Vinalopó Map.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Carlos Quesada (notify | contribs).

Image:Lurs.jpg[edit]

Image:Lurs.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Dbachmann (notify | contribs).
  • OB, OR - An almost identical copy is available on Commons: Image:Bronse-Lurer-Danmark.png Mushroom (Talk) 08:00, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment: this is just a case of {{NowCommons}}. But since we haven't positively identified the source of the image, it may be that the image will again be deleted from commons. Against this event it may be wise to keep a copy on en-wiki for use with {{fairuseunsure}}. dab (𒁳) 10:27, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Image:Ilan_Halimi.jpg[edit]

Image:Ilan_Halimi.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Avraham (notify | contribs).
  • CV Suladna (talk) 09:58, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Acceptable fair-use rationale given. As such, there is no copyright violation. -- Avi (talk) 20:02, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Please read criteria for acceptable fair-use: "Significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding."
An omission of the image in question would not in any way be "detrimental to the understanding" of the topic. Suladna (talk) 23:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How would leaving the article blank of any image be anything but detrimental to the article. There are no free-use images of the deceased available, and none can be created as he was murdered. This image is iconic in the sense that it was the image most used by news reports and most associated with the deceased. Being that having an image of a notable person is vastly preferable to permanently leaving the article blank, and being that a fair use version is impossible to obtain, this is a classic example of fair use. -- Avi (talk) 21:39, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Detrimental to the article" is not the formulation used in the Wikipedia criteria. The correct formulation is "detrimental to the understanding [of the topic]". In what way is the removal of the Halimi image detrimental to the understanding of this? Or put in another way, in what way does the image "significantly increase readers' understanding"?? Suladna (talk) 22:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Images are integral to biographical articles, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography. Where free-use images are truly impossible to be obtained, as in this case the article subject is deceased, fair-use images are acceptable. I notice you have not marked the five examples of fair-use images of people of Arab descent, which I provided for you on your talk page, and which I think are acceptable for wikipedia use (with the possible exception of the one still living) for deletion, including one which is still alive and for which it is remotely feasible that a free-use image may be obtained. Why are you singling out Ilan Halimi? -- Avi (talk) 03:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I read Wikiproject Biography and the only phrase I could find om images was the follówing: "Add images such as those obtained from Wikimedia Commons, image list, or by posting a request for an image from other editors." It doesn't give permission to violate the Wikipedia criteria for acceptable fair-use. Suladna (talk) 21:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, there is no violation:

  1. No free equivalent: Passes (Halimi has been murdered)
  2. Respect for commercial opportunities: Passes (Wikipedia image will not replace BBC's image in BBC article)
  3. Minimal usage: Passes (Used in infobox).
  4. Previous publication: Passes (See image page for source)
  5. Content: Passes (Halimi is notable).
  6. Media-specific policy: Passes (Properly tagged, rationale given, and linked to article.
  7. One-article minimum: Passes (Used in Ilan Halimi).
  8. Significance: Passes (A picture of a person is undeniably important in understanding that person. To say otherwise is borderline absurd in my opinion).
  9. Restrictions on location: Passes (Solely in article namespace).
  10. Image description page: Passes (Image page has all requisite material).

So, wherein lies the violation? -- Avi (talk) 21:50, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, as you can see my objection is primarily on number 8. Suladna 16:31, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, and I think it has been well-accepted wikipedia practice that pictures of people who are the subjects of wikipedia articles are considered significant vis-à-vis those articles. -- Avi 18:05, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image passes WP:NFCC#1 (since he is deceased) and #8 (since the article is about him. No consensus to delete. – Quadell (talk) (random) 21:05, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:Treylewis.jpg[edit]

Image:Treylewis.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by LukeTheSpook (notify | contribs).
  • No fair-use rationale, clearly an image just found on the internet by an uninformed editor. ►Chris NelsonHolla! 18:46, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unused images[edit]

The following images are unused (unly used in deleted articles), and their uploaders haven't made any edits for at least a month.

Image:9296278a5874778071l.jpg - private photo
Image:9296278a4544782682b18938536l.jpg - private photo
Image:Big casino 2.jpg - logo, only used in deleted article Big Casino (collective)
Image:Drivethru1.jpg - private photo
Image:Drivethru2.jpg - private photo
Image:Ellietree2.jpg - only used in deleted article Ellie Crystal
Image:Front sized crop.jpg - only used in deleted article Idea 22 (company)
Image:Isolate.jpg - only used in a deleted article ISOLATE (band)
Image:Jjtux.jpg - personal photo
Image:OxfordFC.jpg - team logo, only used in the user's deleted user page
Image:Pascal kleiman at desert.jpg - only used in a deleted article Pascal kleiman
Image:Risewcali.jpg - private photo

Mike Rosoft (talk) 13:51, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DMHgrouping2_small.jpg[edit]

Image:DMHgrouping2_small.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by AcousticAmericana (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 14:02, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DREAMSCOVER.jpg[edit]

Image:DREAMSCOVER.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Ibnsirin (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 14:36, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSC_0150.JPG[edit]

Image:DSC_0150.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Kudanige (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 14:49, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSC_0195.jpg[edit]

Image:DSC_0195.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Brandi.head (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 14:50, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSC_0244.JPG[edit]

Image:DSC_0244.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Gamblrob (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 14:50, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSC_8472smaller.jpg[edit]

Image:DSC_8472smaller.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Silentones (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 14:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSC00501d.jpg[edit]

Image:DSC00501d.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Soitlautre (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 15:13, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSC00504.jpg[edit]

Image:DSC00504.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Iron_ham (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 15:13, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSC01029.JPG[edit]

Image:DSC01029.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Uqk2007 (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 15:15, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSC01078.JPG[edit]

Image:DSC01078.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Saad.riaz (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 15:16, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSC02061.JPG[edit]

Image:DSC02061.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Timingham (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 15:18, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSC02327.JPG[edit]

Image:DSC02327.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Mi.r.conley (notify | contribs).

Image:DSC02490.jpg[edit]

Image:DSC02490.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Oheather4 (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 15:20, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - That's a picture of Gleaves Whitney, director at the Hauenstein Center of Presidential Studies interviewing President Jimmy Carter. I'm guessing the uploader took the image from their website, where all images are released under a license incompatible with the GFDL. Having said all that, I would still vote for deletion since the image can't be used under its license here, isn't especially important to the Hauenstein article and for all the reasons cited by Nv8200p. Also, it's important to note that my mother owns the same glassware as a former president. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 05:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSC02931.JPG[edit]

Image:DSC02931.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by ArtRoger (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 15:21, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSC02928.JPG[edit]

Image:DSC02928.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by ArtRoger (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 15:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Image:Connie Talbot X Factor crop.JPG[edit]

Image:Connie Talbot X Factor crop.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by J Milburn (notify | contribs).
  • Replaceable fair use image - disputed by the uploader so adding here. Was on Connie Talbot.- Stifle (talk) 15:28, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I am the uploader, and I have readded it to the article. The image adds significantly to the article by displaying her 'cute-factor' while on Britain's Got Talent. She is no longer on Britain's Got Talent, and no longer has a 'gap-toothed smile' which is something that many sources (as well as the article) pick up on, meaning that this image is irreplaceable. On top of this, the image is of a low resolution, and has been cropped, meaning that its use will not lessen the value of the original image. This image is not being used as a 'this is what she looks like' image, which is obviously against our fair use rules, and that is the type of image that I have personally either nominated for deletion or deleted myself in the past. J Milburn (talk) 15:35, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted as replaceable. If her appearance had significantly changed, there would be an argument for replaceability. But this photo was taken just 6 months ago, and I see no evidence that she looks significantly different now. – Quadell (talk) (random) 21:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:DSC04148.JPG[edit]

Image:DSC04148.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Mastam (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 16:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSC04325.jpg[edit]

Image:DSC04325.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Cadishack (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 16:23, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Morgan_German_Shorthaired.JPG[edit]

Image:Morgan_German_Shorthaired.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Cadishack (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 16:24, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSC04363.jpg[edit]

Image:DSC04363.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Mastam (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 16:24, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSC04775.jpg[edit]

Image:DSC04775.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Mastam (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 16:25, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSC05363A.JPG[edit]

Image:DSC05363A.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Adrianantm (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 16:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSC04801.JPG[edit]

Image:DSC04801.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Juventus_111 (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader, Yet another penis picture Nv8200p talk 16:27, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSC06014.JPG[edit]

Image:DSC06014.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Sv2146 (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 16:28, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSCF0641.JPG[edit]

Image:DSCF0641.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Wowitsedward (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 16:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSCF0525.JPG[edit]

Image:DSCF0525.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by ShandarPaul (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 16:31, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSCF2674.JPG[edit]

Image:DSCF2674.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by L1n3n3m (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 16:32, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSCF4546.jpg[edit]

Image:DSCF4546.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Missblackusa (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Copyright violation, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 16:33, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSCN0219.jpg[edit]

Image:DSCN0219.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Corvettesassy (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 16:33, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSCN0258.JPG[edit]

Image:DSCN0258.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Chkchkchk (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 16:34, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSCN0278.JPG[edit]

Image:DSCN0278.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Reginaldedwin (notify | contribs).

Image:DSCN0917.jpg[edit]

Image:DSCN0917.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Keslan (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 16:37, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSCN0936.JPG[edit]

Image:DSCN0936.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Shadowbattalion (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 16:37, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Pdaz11.jpg[edit]

Image:Pdaz11.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Micarr (notify | contribs).
  • Unlikely to have any encyclopedic value. Part of non-notable biography. Pascal.Tesson (talk) 19:38, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Heroes s01 e11.jpg[edit]

Image:Heroes s01 e11.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by fuzzy510 (notify | contribs).
  • Rationaled as: "It shows the Haitian grabbing Claire from behind. This is an important event, because instead of wiping her memories, he betrays his boss, Clair's father, and leaves her memories intact." Further rationaled with: "The image provides critical commentary in describing a key moment in the said episode." These descriptions/rationales, in turn, do not appear to require the image itself to significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, failing the WP:NFCC#8. — pd_THOR | =/\= | 20:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DSCN4640.jpg[edit]

Image:DSCN4640.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Goatodoom (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 20:45, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:DadStudio2.jpg[edit]

Image:DadStudio2.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Vidpirate (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 20:47, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Dahlberg_still.jpg[edit]

Image:Dahlberg_still.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Leroy_Adams (notify | contribs).
  • Orphaned, Unencyclopedic, Absent uploader Nv8200p talk 20:49, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Dai.jpg[edit]

Image:Dai.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Reptilia24 (notify | contribs).
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Image:Liz_Cosson_(MAJGEN).jpg[edit]

Image:Liz_Cosson_(MAJGEN).jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Hawkeye7 (notify | contribs).
  • Non-free image of a living person. Fails WP:NFCC#1, since a free equivalent can be created. Rettetast (talk) 21:50, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. No "free equivalent" can be created. The image adds value to the article by actually showing Liz as the Army's first female major general. But it has to be a picture of her as a major general, and therefore cannot be free. Non Free in this case does not prohibit commercial use or redistribution. It just stops it from being re-copyrighted. Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:29, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, this is crazy. Deleting this image unduly promotes "free" at the expense of "encyclopedia". The same shenanigans was played with Image:Liz Cosson.jpg. Many people assessed these images and considered the fair-use rationale to be acceptable. NFCC#1 is intended to prevent copious and unrestricted use of non-free when free images could be created. A free equivalent of this image can not just be created by someone with a few hours on their hands - the only way a free equivalent (i.e. a quality shot like this one) will appear is if the subject or Army allow it, or the subject ends up in a US Government photo. John Vandenberg (talk) 00:53, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question There appears to be a different image with this news story,[1] with the photo credited to PA. Is PA connected to the Australian army or the ministry of defence? --The Brown Bottle 01:12, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The Press Association? They are a UK based photograph agency. They have lifted the photograph from the very same Department of Defence site. News reporting falls under fair dealing. (They are supposed to also mention Commonwealth copyright and Department of Defence origin like we did...) Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:43, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Fails non-free content criterion #1. -- RG2 09:11, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I don't argue that it is appropriate (or even important) to show the MAJGEN in her status as such, but I think its fair to assume she goes to work every day in uniform? Does she go to lunch in uniform? Does she ever go shopping in uniform after work? Does she ever attend military-related public meetings or gatherings? WP:NFCC#1. — pd_THOR | =/\= | 05:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is illegal to take photographs without express permission in any defence installation in Australia under the Defence Act (1903). Hawkeye7 (talk) 07:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Okay. That being said, what relevance of it?

        Furthermore, what exactly is necessary of this image to particularly understand any facet of the article? Personal illustration of biographies is excellent where not in conflict with WP:NFCC#1; but if attempting to say that the image is important beyond illustration, that needs to also meet the muster of WP:NFCC#8: "only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." While a picture of the general officer is certainly pertinent, I don't see how it is necessary to understand her achievements and/or rank. — pd_THOR | =/\= | 14:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep As Cossen is the first woman to achieve her current rank in the Australian Army a picture of her in full uniform is of very great value to the article. Moreover, I'd argue that the official portrait of the first Australian woman to reach the very senior rank of Major General has historical significance. While I guess that it's possible that a free image could eventually be taken of Major Gen. Cossen, it's very unlikely that that's going to ever happen for the reasons Hawkeye and John Vandenberg note above and the nomination seems rather spurious. --Nick Dowling (talk) 09:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Her achievement is commendable, and no one wants to minimize her importance. But this is a clear case of an WP:NFCC#1 violation. – Quadell (talk) (random) 21:00, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The tag is misleading: this image is of a politician active in the 1950s, and the user claims copyright ownership. Dahn (talk) 23:12, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you for your observation. I have corrected the tag. I meant to release to the public the rights to the photo I have taken (a reproduction of the original). The original photo was taken before 1952 and is widely available in the public. I did not mean to claim any rights to the original photo. I am sorry that, due to inexperience, I have placed a tag that someone could interpret differently than I meant. Thank you for your kind observation. I have now corrected the captions of the image. Please, review them, and feel free to tell me if you see any other potential problems. I am committed to work with you to correct them all. :Dc76\talk 13:25, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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