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Discography of Final Fantasy VII[edit]
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I'm bringing this article for a second PR in order to prepare it for a second run at FAC. Any comments to improve the article would be helpful!
Notes on sources used in the article
- Owned by Craveonline Media, LLC, which is in turned owned by AtomicOnline, LLC, which is a smallish media conglomerate that runs several dozen sites in three distinct areas (men 18-34, women 25-54, teens) with 13 million+ unique pageviews a month across their main sites. Article talking about them.
- A subdivision of Cerberus Media Group Inc., a Florida corporation formed to provide a backing company for the site. I have contacted both the head of the music reviews section as well as their marketing director, who both have said that all of their reviews, etc. are edited for accuracy, cross-checked and cited against other legitimate news sites whenever possible, and are also corrected if any error is later found.
- Independent music review site (not affiliated with Square Enix itself) - about page says that they have "achieved critical acclaim from famous composers, eminent producers, and industry sites", a claim that is backed up by their interviews page, listing interviews they have done with notable people such as Yasunori Mitsuda and Thomas Boecker, producer of the Symphonic Game Music Concert series. Their submissions guidelines are here, in which they specifically say that they edit all reviews for factual accuracy.
- 11 year old remix hosting site recognized and contributed to by many industry professionals. Press comments.
Thanks for helping! --PresN 22:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
The reception section is too long and should be split into subsections. Fargo of Diarmuid (talk) 11:37, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- I think the reception information for each album should appear in their respective sections, like in List of Final Fantasy compilation albums. The legacy information can stay in its own section entitled "Legacy". I think it will be easier to read the article this way. Also, shouldn't the article be named "Discography of Compilation of Final Fantasy VII" or something similar considering it covers all the titles in the compilation and not only FFVII? The Prince (talk) 16:57, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- FFVII is not part of the Compilation of FFVII, so the current name is okay (with FFVII taken as the series rather than only the first game). Fargo of Diarmuid (talk) 17:48, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- Perhaps it can be called Discography of Final Fantasy VII and Compilation of Final Fantasy VII instead, because the current title implies that it's the discography of the original game. PS: I added a free use image of Uematsu in the article; I wrote "fair use" in the edit summary by mistake. The Prince (talk) 21:08, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- Ugh, I'm fine with either FF7 or CoFF7, but not both together. It's hard enough to keep the term 'Final Fantasy 7' out of the article- at one point the intro had about 8 'FF7's per paragraph, as SE shoves it into every album title. I'm also not sure about moving the reception into each album- it might work, but it also would make it even more listy, and I'm trying to keep this as an article, to match the other ones. --PresN 21:26, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- I understand. If you were to change it, however, it would look something like this, which IMO is a lot easier to read. If you take the article to FAC, some reviewers may complain about some of the sources used, specifically RPGFan. It was just recently removed from WP:VG/S, although a discussion about its inclusion has been initiated here. Also, why aren't the full titles of the albums in the headers, and why aren't they in italics? The Prince (talk) 22:00, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- The full titles got removed during the last FAC, one of the reviewers (SandyGeorgia) objected to the repetition of 'Final Fantasy 7' in the section headings, and I de-italicized them at the same time since they weren't the full album name but rather a descriptor. Hmm... I'm tempted by the layout you proposed- that is a lot less blocky. I think I'll go with it, and try to expand the legacy section out more to make up for the loss there, if I can. As far as RPGFan... there's nothing I can do. They're video game soundtrack albums. No one reviews them except for RPGFan, Square Enix Music Online, and Soundtrack Central- and they're all right on the line between legitimate review source and fansite, with SC being definitely over the line. Even the reviews of the games tend not to mention the music. If there were any other reviews I'd gleefully accept, as I'm not looking forward to another fight about it at FAC, but I work with what I've got. --PresN 00:56, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
- I understand. If you were to change it, however, it would look something like this, which IMO is a lot easier to read. If you take the article to FAC, some reviewers may complain about some of the sources used, specifically RPGFan. It was just recently removed from WP:VG/S, although a discussion about its inclusion has been initiated here. Also, why aren't the full titles of the albums in the headers, and why aren't they in italics? The Prince (talk) 22:00, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- Ugh, I'm fine with either FF7 or CoFF7, but not both together. It's hard enough to keep the term 'Final Fantasy 7' out of the article- at one point the intro had about 8 'FF7's per paragraph, as SE shoves it into every album title. I'm also not sure about moving the reception into each album- it might work, but it also would make it even more listy, and I'm trying to keep this as an article, to match the other ones. --PresN 21:26, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- Perhaps it can be called Discography of Final Fantasy VII and Compilation of Final Fantasy VII instead, because the current title implies that it's the discography of the original game. PS: I added a free use image of Uematsu in the article; I wrote "fair use" in the edit summary by mistake. The Prince (talk) 21:08, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- FFVII is not part of the Compilation of FFVII, so the current name is okay (with FFVII taken as the series rather than only the first game). Fargo of Diarmuid (talk) 17:48, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- Well, what if it were "Final Fantasy VII series"? I mean, in all intents and purposes, CoFFVII and FFVII itself are a part of their own subseries of FF. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 23:23, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- Now that's a title I can get behind! Changed to "Discography of the Final Fantasy VII series".
- Do you think that I should remove the infoboxes for all of the albums besides the first? They don't provide anything not in the text now that the album art is gone. I'm going to look and see if WP:MUSIC has any thoughts on the matter, but I think I may kill them regardless. --PresN 18:05, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
- You have my support. This should probably be done to the other FF discography articles as well. The Prince (talk) 21:11, 13 January 2009 (UTC)