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Fenwick High School (Oak Park, Illinois)

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I've listed this article for peer review because I believe this article is very close to receiving GA status. When I found it it was a Start/Mid article, but is now covered in references, and has been significantly expanded. There are now pictures and an expanded infobox. Two editors have gone through copyediting. There are not many school articles that are at the GA level, and I think this one has a chance to be the next one. I am especially keen to make sure our referencing is covered, and that the style meets the requirements for a high level article.

Many Thanks for your time and critique, LonelyBeacon (talk) 14:11, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Ruhrfisch comments: Very briefly, here are some suggestions for improvement. If you want more comments, please ask here.

• There are two high school FAs that may be useful models for ideas and examples to follow: Stuyvesant High School and Plano Senior High School
• Per WP:CITE references come AFTER punctuation, and are usually at the end of a sentence or phrase (so change The prep school was founded in 1929[2] as part of the Province of St. Albert the Great (Dominican Friars). )  Done
• Article needs more references, for example the newspaper article and film are uncited. My rule of thumb is that every quote, every statistic, every extraordinary claim and every paragraph needs a ref.
• Internet refs need URL, title, author if known, publisher and date accessed. {{cite web}} and other cite templates may be helpful. See WP:CITE and WP:V
• History section should come earlier in the article and be prose, not a bullet list by year.  Done
• There are odd emphases throughout - three examples
  • Fenwick High School is a private university-preparatory school located in the Chicago, Illinois, USA, suburb of Oak Park. I would put the emphasis on Oak Park (where it actually is) not Chicago, so perhaps something like Fenwick High School is a private university-preparatory school located in Oak Park, Illinois, USA, a suburb of Chicago.  Done
  • Fenwick graduates its first class valedictorian, John J. Gearen. surely this was the graduation of many more than one student in its first graduating class? Perhaps something like Fenwick graduates its first class of 235 students, with valedictorian John J. Gearen. (unless the valedictorian is notable on his own, why include him?) Done
  • Something similar with Fenwick instates its last senior class officers of an all-male student body: Dan Austin (Class President); Vitus Barbaro (Class Vice President). who cares who the officers were - the improtant thing is that it went coed and this was the last all male class. Done
• Odd choices of links - Catholic is linked, but not Roman Catholic - do you know you can type [[Roman Catholic|Catholic]] and that shows up as Catholic, but linked to Roman Catholic? Also why not link Dominican Order? Done
• Alma mater is almost certainly a copyvio Done
• What are the criteria for Notable alumni? Mine is usually that they are notable enough to have an article here already - see WP:NN. Most of the teachers seem much less notable (not that they are not nice people).  Done
• Try for more independent third party sources. The Chicago Tribune article on going coed sounds like a great source - use, don't just refer to it.

Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). Yours, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 18:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Finetooth comments: I'm no expert on image licensing, but I'm focused today on trying to learn more about it. I see licensing problems with two of your images.

• The logo in the infobox is licensed as "public domain, author died more than 100 years ago". This may be true, but you haven't included enough information in the image summary to make the claim verifiable. The school opened in 1929, less than 100 years ago. Where did the logo come from? Did someone at the school create it? Has the school licensed it or released it to the public domain? Was it digitized by the school, or was it scanned from a printed school document? You need to include enough information in the image summary to allow fact-checkers to corroborate the license claim.
• Something similar can be said about the Kerwin photo. It's probably OK too, but the summary consists of only a link to a web page. When I clicked on the link, I got a 404 error. It would be good to fix this so that image reviewers can quickly corroborate the public domain-NASA license claim.
• One more thought, not as important: It would be better to put the Bishop Fenwick image on the right side of the page looking into the article, where you want the reader to be looking. Finetooth (talk) 19:29, 14 August 2008 (UTC)