Wikipedia:Peer review/Kammerlader/archive2
Kammerlader[edit]
Previous peerreview at Wikipedia:Peer review/Kammerlader/archive1. I hope for more inputs to this article about what I believe to be the first breech loading rifle in widespread service. I do hope to be able to make this into a FA-worthy article at some point, and any pointers would be helpfull. WegianWarrior 13:19, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
- It looks pretty good to me. The only parts that may be of concern are where you say that "A photo of _____ can be seen here." Links become outdated and broken, so I'm not sure that approach is a good idea. It may be better just not to mention the photos within the text. — RJH 16:13, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
- Makes sence to me. Rather than having to 'borrow' a lot of images and claim fair use on each and every one, would one possible idea be to have a subsection in the 'External Link' for images? Should be easier to update / keep track off. WegianWarrior 17:03, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
- It looks well done, the biggest issue that would keep it from being a FAC is the lack of research. I don't want to create any issues like the Krag FAC, but the overal very clear consensus is that a number of quality references are needed (more than 6 ideally for me), and inline citations to them for important facts are valuable too. - Taxman Talk 20:04, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
- Main problem would be that there simple isn't a whole lot of sources out there, and a lot of the ones I've found are pretty much verbatim copies of each other. I am still looking for sources either online or in print to back up this article. Still, if this article don't make it to be a FA, at least I can - with the help of y'all commenting - make it the best article I can. WegianWarrior 07:28, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
- Looks good. My only concern is the copyright status of Image:Kammerlader 1.jpg: it looks like you created it by photographing a collection of photos. If so, what is the copyright status on those photos? --Carnildo 21:53, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
- Those photos I've photographed is hanging in the Armed Forces Museum in oslo, Norway, and as such is a work of the Norwegian Goverment (represented by the armed forces in this cause). It's generaly held that such works are free to be used for educational purposes, as born out in the Norwegian copyright law, sections 13 (personal use) and section 18 (Collective Works for Use in Education, etc). I can certainly testify that the photos in question has been on display for a lot younger than the five years required in the law =). Seeing as how it's US laws that should be followed for Wikipedia, it is also possible to claim fair use I guess... I'm not sure if a photo of a photo is considered a work of it's own under american law. WegianWarrior 07:25, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
- I'm not an expert in Norwegian copyright law, but assuming you aren't claiming additional copyright on your photograph, Image:Kammerlader 1.jpg would be "educational use only", not "public domain". There isn't a copyright tag for that situation because it isn't a very free license. --Carnildo 20:34, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
- Those photos I've photographed is hanging in the Armed Forces Museum in oslo, Norway, and as such is a work of the Norwegian Goverment (represented by the armed forces in this cause). It's generaly held that such works are free to be used for educational purposes, as born out in the Norwegian copyright law, sections 13 (personal use) and section 18 (Collective Works for Use in Education, etc). I can certainly testify that the photos in question has been on display for a lot younger than the five years required in the law =). Seeing as how it's US laws that should be followed for Wikipedia, it is also possible to claim fair use I guess... I'm not sure if a photo of a photo is considered a work of it's own under american law. WegianWarrior 07:25, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
- I am not here. Some suggestions: lødig, what is this? The sentence "In the early 1800s, the Norwegian Army decided that the nature of warfare was changing away from the massed ranks firing in volleys, having observed the American Revolutionary War, the Napoleonic Wars and the short Swedish campaign against Norway in 1814 and also taking lessons from the Gunboat War." seems a bit unwieldy. However, this is a fantastic article otherwise! I was wondering if an infobox footer would be out of the question... though it might be an abuse of templates. Great work :-) - 203.134.166.99 07:48, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
- Since you're not here, I really appricate your comments =) I tried to explain lødig in the text, but I'll try harder - possible by simply wikinilinking to Gauge (bore diameter), since that appear to be the english word =) I'll also see if I can't rewrite the sentence you pointed out to something a bit more easily wielded. Infobox footer.. I'm a little confused - which template you had in mind? WegianWarrior 08:34, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
'Fate of the Kammerladers' section is very small, can use some expantion, now it looks like a stub section. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 11:55, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
- Expanded that section, as well as added more information. WegianWarrior 09:17, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
What about the "Various Civilian Models" of the Kammerlader? Guapovia 21:17, 13 January 2006 (UTC)