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I've listed this article for peer review because I believe this list has a potential to be a featured list. Please put your comments or suggestions 1)to improve this list, 2) to indicate what it is lacking.

Thanks, GDibyendu (talk) 09:40, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I tried modifying the image to improve text readability. I screwed it up and reverted back and so on. But, in the process, what I figured out is that its probably a problem of display of SVG files in browser. When I opened the file, clicking thumbnail from image page, it looked much better and readable. And after that it looks good and readable in this page too. If you think that still it should be improved, I'll need to consult with people who are better with maps, as this image is used in West Bengal article too. BTW, I use mostly Mozilla on Windows.--GDibyendu (talk) 13:05, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This map is updated now.--GDibyendu (talk) 17:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Images need to be ideally SVG. I can teach you how to do this.
    Thanks. I think we have to recreate the main map showing districts also, as it does not show the islands properly, even though the original map, on which this one was based, had shown those. I'll start the discussion on how to use inkscape in your talk page. I downloaded it few weeks back. Also, AreJay's suggestion on using same color for individual district maps sounds good. Thanks. --GDibyendu (talk) 08:46, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. Based on locator map. Also made all svg maps for individual districts, as used in the table. Used colors in main map as suggested in cartography dept of WPIndia for a 4-color map. Thanks for your guidance. --GDibyendu (talk) 15:50, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Too much content in the lead. Move to a new section and surmise the article as a whole into lead text
    Planning to cover geographical perspective in lead. In that case will move current lead to another section like History of districts or simply History.
    Done. Lead now describes geographical perspective.--GDibyendu (talk) 17:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    BTW, looking at many other FLs, it seems that lead is not being used as a summary, rather its an introduction to the topic and is often longer than it is in normal non-list articles.--GDibyendu (talk) 15:50, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Headquarter --> Headquarters. --Done.--GDibyendu (talk) 08:21, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Left-align the "Subdivisions" column. --Done.--GDibyendu (talk) 08:21, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  5. You can add something on the Chicken's Neck and on the Bangladesh corridor to the enclaves
    Covered Chicken's Neck, need to see how to mention the enclaves.--GDibyendu (talk) 17:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Done.--GDibyendu (talk) 15:50, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Something on the enclaves would be interesting
    Details are covered in another article, will add a link in see also.--GDibyendu (talk) 17:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Format the references correctly. Needs an accessdate, publisher, and more details.--Done.--GDibyendu (talk) 14:35, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  8. (2001) --> {{As of|2001|at=2001}}--Done.--GDibyendu (talk) 14:35, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

=Nichalp «Talk»= 19:29, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments from AreJay: Well composed. Some quick observations:
    • The ToC should be above the table with the Divisions
      • Now it appears above, as I have moved the table to Administrative structure section just before the table of districts.--GDibyendu (talk) 08:23, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Headquarter is a verb, which means to establish an entity's headquarters :). --Done.--GDibyendu (talk) 08:21, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Subdivisions should be left-aligned style="align: left;" in the particular cell. --Done.--GDibyendu (talk) 08:21, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Any reason why only 2001 census data was used? Can we provided 2008 estimates, if available (as a supplement to 2001 data)?
      • We use 2001 census data all over cities, towns, districts, states etc. Only for big cities, those estimates may be interesting.--GDibyendu (talk) 17:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • District maps should be in SVG format, and should be highlighted with the same color (see List of counties in Texas as an example)
    • I'm planning to work on a similar list for Karnataka at some point in the future and was considering including the etymology of the names of districts (some may or may not be very clear). Any thoughts on including that in this article? I was also considering including Net District Domestic Product as well. Don't know if that info is available and can be included for WB. Thanks AreJay (talk) 19:55, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Etymology for many districts are controversial or unknown. Controversial ones: Birbhum, Midnapore. Unknown:Darjeeling, Dinajpur. If we had one outstanding theory behind etymology of each district, then we could have added a column for this. In case of US counties, mostly they are named after someone, and usually all of them have a few hundred years of history: so finding right origin of name easy for them. However, I'll keep on searching on this as I had also notice a similar list of counties earlier. Alternatively, I am thinking of adding a column on municipal corporations/municipalities as there are not too many of them for each district (max:27) (to add some more flesh to the table).--GDibyendu (talk) 19:11, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion:

  1. You can add the coordinates of the headquarters as an extra column. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:56, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Since HQ column is already there, we can show coord in bracket there. What do you think?--GDibyendu (talk) 15:50, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Tried this. But the table looses show as wikitable tries to show the content within available area so that scrollbar is not needed.--GDibyendu (talk) 15:50, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have a suggestion that the description of the two Midnapur districts (that is, description of the subdivisions which they were made of) is not needed in the History section. The sub-divisions are listed in the list proper.--Dwaipayan (talk) 01:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes. I agree. I was pondering on the same idea of removing these details as they are clearly noted in the district articles. Will remove it. Thanks.--GDibyendu (talk) 05:54, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Inline references needed for the following para--

A district in the state of West Bengal is governed by a district collector or district magistrate, who is appointed either by the Indian Administrative Service or the West Bengal Civil Service. Each district is divided into subdivisions. A subdivision is governed by a sub-divisional magistrate (SDM), better known as Sub-Divisional Officer (SDO). Other than urban units like town municipalities, a subdivision contains 'community development blocks' (also known as 'CD blocks' or simply 'blocks'). A block consists of urban units like census towns and rural units called gram panchayats. A block is administered by 'Block Development Officer' (BDO). A gram panchayat, which consists of a group of villages, is administered by a village council headed by Sarpanch.

--KnowledgeHegemony talk 06:29, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Done. This was one of the toughest thing to do on this article. Finally, got some refs.--GDibyendu (talk) 20:29, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question: I want to add English meanings of some Bengali words used in various terms in the article. Example: Purba, Zilla etc. How should that be done? Any example? Thanks.--GDibyendu (talk) 20:29, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Re: You can state it like: word (Bengali: "meaning"). However I not quite sure whether these words are purely Bengali(:?) I guess they are Hindustani. --KnowledgeHegemony talk 15:03, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thats probably OK as many Indian languages will have same word or close which means same. My question is whether it should be simply added as a note like: Purba<ref>detail</ref> Medinipur or rather just with a bullet in references section (no inline citation, but listed in references section)?--GDibyendu (talk) 18:11, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You can use the above prescribed format in the main text itself. No need to make it a note or a ref. Simply use brackets().

Eg. The head of a gang is called Zillaxyz (Bengali: "leader").

Review2 by =Nichalp
  • Too much of blue links in the lead. Could this be removed?
  • But, all are unique links. Not using lead as summary mainly because of layout problem: a short lead will necessitate shortening pic size which will make the text unreadable. Only two words can be delinked: enclave and exclave. And possibly district names, as they will be linked in the article later anyway. What do you think?--GDibyendu (talk) 14:19, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • When India gained independence --> After India...
  • the province of Bengal was partitioned --> I thought Bengal was already partitioned in 1905. Also convert to active voice
No, the partition of Bengal in 1905 was temporary, and was amalgamated again in 1911. However, it did not remain as big, with Bihar, Orisa etc states being created. But the Bengali-speaking area of Bengal remained as Bengal Province.--Dwaipayan (talk) 00:09, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • States Reorganisation Act of 1956 advised revision --> was this just an advisory? -Fixed.
  • divided into two districts --> bifurcated-Fixed.
  • A district in the state of West Bengal --> A district (this sentence is not unique to WB alone) - Rephrased, rest of sentence applicable for West Bengal only due to presence of 'WBCS officer'.--GDibyendu (talk) 14:19, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'CD blocks' or simply 'blocks' --> italicise instead-Fixed.
  • 'Block Development Officer' --> Remove quotes-Fixed.
  • Please show the international border vis-a-vis the state border in the maps (thicker for International) see WP:INMAP
  • 3 divisions --> spell numbers < 10-Fixed.
  • A division, which consists of a number of districts, is administered --> A division consists of a group of districts that is...-Fixed.
  • Make the "Total" row a header row. -- Done.--GDibyendu (talk) 19:28, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Use {{official}} for the external link
  • That probably won't look good as the text will be 'Official website of List of districts of West Bengal'. This template takes a single param, the url.--GDibyendu (talk) 14:44, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • You can also mention any district renames such as Calcutta to Kolkata
  • Yes. I was thinking about that. Have to see where to place that. --GDibyendu (talk) 14:33, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Chandanagore sentence needs to be split-Done.
  • Suggest the colours of the two district maps be in line with WP:INMAP for consistency
  • Are you saying that the coloring scheme should be different for all district maps as per WP:INMAP? First two maps (districts, divisions) uses INMAP-prescribed colors for four-color maps. If you meant to say it about maps in the table, how about 1st color (cream) for other districts and orange one for highlighted districts instead of red?--GDibyendu (talk) 14:33, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good point. These are potential candidates for future history of districts.--GDibyendu (talk) 14:44, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • What about subdivisions before 1947?
  • There was no West Bengal before 1947. Following 1905 partition, erstwhile Bengal was partitioned into Bengal province (covering present day West Bengal, Bihar and Orissa) and a new province named East Bengal and Assam, which was created by adding present day Bangladesh to Assam province. In 1912, when these changes were reverted, Bengal province contained only present day West Bengal and Bangladesh. In 1947, this Bengal province was partitioned.--GDibyendu (talk) 18:04, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • BTW, are you talking about what the divisions contained before 1947? Seeking similar info for subdivisions, which are parts of a district, would be too much to handle :) I'll give up if you meant that.--GDibyendu (talk) 14:33, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

=Nichalp «Talk»= 13:23, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Replies
  1. The map should look like Image:India-states-numbered.svg
  • I tried changing the map. But, it does not seem to work out. Problem 1: it was based on West Bengal locator map, which uses an object for region outside India. But this object is not sharp and does not focus on the border of India. When color is changed and stroke is used, it shows up badly in a few places. Plus for Sikkim a separate object was used in locator map too; marking international border and interstate border differently on that is a problem. This is also the part of the second problem, distinguishing between these two types of borders. For solution, that object of locator map which holds the region outside India must be corrected and also, an outline map of India would be needed, where international boundaries and interstate boundaries are demarcated clearly. It does not seem to me that I'll be able to handle this.--GDibyendu (talk) 18:29, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Two more ponits to ponder on the map. List of counties article for many US states are FL, none of them show what lies on the border except water bodies (like the article for Michigan counties show the Great Lakes). So, why do we need to show all that here? It seems that a simple outline map showing the state and its districts may be sufficient for this subject matter. Secondly, this 1st map was shown in West Bengal article also, which is FA. Apparently, there was no issue regarding this. What do you think? --GDibyendu (talk) 20:02, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. (re to subdivisions before 1947): My query was were these districts drawn up in 1947, or before that?
  • Yes except West Dinajpur. But, there was no West Bengal then.--GDibyendu (talk) 18:29, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. (1905 partition) --> Was the 1947 partition on Bengal done with the same boundaries as in 1905?
  2. Try adding the following information in the text: police breakup: eg does an IG of police handle a district? RTO information (List of RTO districts in India#WB — West Bengal), court-related information (are there district courts in each Dist. HQ? --Done.--GDibyendu (talk) 16:40, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Will look for the first part and third part (yes); for RTO, thinking of just adding that one as see also.--GDibyendu (talk) 18:29, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. The lead should summarise the content, so you can also add historical information. You need not add all the district in the Ganges: one or two will do Done.--GDibyendu (talk) 18:29, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Add the internal and external boundaries of West Bengal in the lead. Done.--GDibyendu (talk) 18:29, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

=Nichalp «Talk»= 03:01, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Take it to FLC. =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:27, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Closing this peer review. Please feel free to raise any concerns/suggestions in article talk page or FLC page, which I am about to start.--GDibyendu (talk) 18:09, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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