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NK Maribor

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I've listed this article for peer review because I and certain other users have put a lot of work in it and would like to see where we stand with the article about a Slovenian football club, NK Maribor, and articles related to the main theme (History of NK Maribor, Eternal derby (Slovenia), Ljudski vrt Stadium etc.) that were created/updated to enrich the main article. Feel free to write anything about what needs to be fixed, what is missing in the current NK Maribor article and so on. The idea is that this article would eventually become a GA or FA. This is the first peer review of the article in question.

Thanks, Ratipok (talk) 22:18, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Ruhrfisch comments: Thanks for your work on this and the realted articles. I think this will need a lot of work before it would have a chance of passing at WP:GAN and would need even more work before it would do well at WP:FAC. With GAN and FAC in mind, here are some suggestions for improvement.

• A model article is useful for ideas and examples to follow. There are 61 articles in the Category:FA-Class football articles and some of them will be good models for this article.
• The biggest problem with the article as it currently exists is a lack of references. There are many places without refs that need citations. For example many paragraphs and statements in the Rivalries section need citations. There are also many extraordinary statements that need refs, like The academy is one of the most revered in the country and has produced notable players, such as Armin Bačinović, Vid Belec, Elvedin Džinič, Rene Krhin, Rene Mihelič, Damir Pekič, Marko Pridigar, Marko Simeunovič, Dejan Školnik among others. Most revered says who?
• ANother example of a series of extraordinary claims that need references Maribor have the best top-flight record in history, having finished bellow fourth place only once. Maribor also have the highest average league finishing position for the Slovenian league, with an average league placing of 2,3. In addition, they were the first team to win 1000 points in Slovenian top-flight. Please note that I do not doubt that these are true statements, but they need citations.
• I would also avoid language like "most revered" unless it is a direct quote from a reliable source - see WP:PEACOCK
• My rule of thumb is that every quote, every statistic, every extraordinary claim and every paragraph needs a ref.
• Internet refs all need URL, title, author if known, publisher and date accessed. {{cite web}} and other cite templates may be helpful. See WP:CITE and WP:V
• I am not sure the current lead is an adequate summary of all the sections of the article; the lead should be an accessible and inviting overview of the whole article.
• Nothing important should be in the lead only - since it is a summary, it should all be repeated in the body of the article itself.
• My rule of thumb is to include every header in the lead in some way - Please see WP:LEAD
• Since this is the English Wikipedia, please make sure to provide translations for all non-obvious Slovenian words - just in the lead "Nogometni" needs to be translated
• The article needs to be clearer in its prose. The first two sentences are NK Maribor football club, as we know it today, was founded on 12 December 1960.[1] After the elections Dr. Srečko Koren was appointed as the first club president... The phrase "as we know it today" adds nothing and actually makes me wonder if there were some sort of predecessor club? The elections in the next sentence are also unclear.
• Numbers less than 10 are spelled out (so two but also second (not 2nd)
• The article has many short (one or two sentence) paragraphs which break up its narrative flow - please try to combine these with other paragraphs or perhaps expand them, wherever possible.
• Problem sentences: The main reason for this was due to a 1981 affair named Žoga (English: Ball) from which the club never fully recovered from and was relegated into 3rd division.[6] - I have no idea what is meant by this sentence - what was the Zoga affair and how did it accedt the club? SOmething like this needs to be more fully explained.
• Second problem sentence 22 October 1988 was another dark day in history of the club as Mladen Kranjc, one of the best goalscorers in history of the club, was involved in a tragic motorcycle accident that costed him his life.[6] I do not doubt this was a tragedy for him, his family, and the club. But this is the first time he is mentioned in the article that I can see - since he was so important, he should probably be mentioned earlier in History.
• The preceding sentence also has several grammatical problems - this would be a real problem at FAC and something of an issue at GAN. Please address the other issues first, then get a copy edit before taking this to GAN.
• Make sure that fair use images meet WP:NFCC
• Wikipedia articles are based on published references, not original research - statements like Famous, non football related, supporters with verifiable citations confirming their support for NK Maribor are listed on this list alphabetically, ones without citations are questionable as they have not publicly acknowledged their support are just a sign of the problems without references. If there are no refs, remove them from the list.
• Please make sure that the existing text includes no copyright violations, plagiarism, or close paraphrasing. For more information on this please see Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-04-13/Dispatches. (This is a general warning given in all peer reviews, in view of previous problems that have risen over copyvios.)

Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). I do not watch peer reviews, so if you have questions or comments, please contact me on my talk page. Yours, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:12, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

I would make sure that the use of italic text follows WP:ITALIC. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:50, 7 April 2011 (UTC)