Wikipedia:Picture peer review/Guajajara woman and child

Guajajara woman and child[edit]

We need some good photographs showing mothers or motherhood and I think this photograph is relevant, vivid, clear, and insightful, and comes with an approved free license.

Creator: Agência Brasil

Nominated by: DavidBailey (talk) 14:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Personally I would doubt the chances of this at FPC. Firstly it's used to illustrate Mother, yet the focus is clearly on the child. Additionally there's nothing that suggests that is actually the child's mother - it could easily be an aunt, friend, whatever; the image page simply says "Guajajara woman and child", which doesn't indicate it's her child. Re illustrating Guajajara, well it adds little value given the article is as good as non-existent. The composition does little for me - cutoff at the bottom, distracting ugly blue chair (although obviously composition is a bit of a matter of personal taste). Finally I doubt the technical qualities are sufficient; as I said focus is on the child, not the mother, it's very soft focus, and it looks to have been overly downsampled, e.g., there is little detail in the hair, especially the mother's, and there's evidence of artifacting (look for example at the mother's hair, in the shadows such as under her chin, and the dark areas under her left arm). --jjron (talk) 12:03, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I neither speak nor understand Portugese, but doesn't mãe mean mother and filho mean child? Just a guess, given their cognates in French, which I can say a little for. Thegreenj 02:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Given it's the English Wikipedia I read the English caption. FWIW, the caption on the original site says "Aldeia Cururu (MA) - Índios Guajajara reivindicam mais acesso a programas sociais e alternativas de renda. Operação na área combate exploração ilegal de madeira, incêndios criminosos e plantação de maconha", which Babelfish tells me translates to "Cururu village (ME) - Guajajara Indians demand more access the social and alternative programs of income. Operation in the area combat wooden illegal exploration, criminal fires and marijuana plantation". Nothing there at all about mothers and children. Incidentally there's a substantial debate about this image at Talk:Mother#Photograph_of_mother, which I'm guessing is largely why it ended up here. --jjron (talk) 05:08, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - There's nothing subversive going on here. I just noted that there is a dearth of photographs regarding mothers and children, or even of women and children. I put it here to get comments and find out if others consider it to be of good quality. Does the subject of the photograph have to be a mother to find out if its a good photograph? Evaluate it as woman and child, then. DavidBailey (talk) 12:30, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - PPR is largely considered a staging ground for FPC, thus any image here will be commented on in that context (unless a poster specifically asks for something different). One of the key criteria for FPC is the encyclopaedic value of an image, and that is determined by how well the image illustrates its articles. Thus why comments given above address that issue. And FWIW I have given quite comprehensive comments on the technical aspects of the photo beyond the EV. --jjron (talk) 14:12, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I tend to agree with jjron; the picture is only so so; the mother is not in good focus; and damn that's an ugly chair. Although we definitely don't want only pictures of white mothers, I don't think this pic should have replaced the much stronger, featured picture of the migrant mother. Fletcher (talk) 23:44, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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