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What's the musicological term for an intro that sounds like a very different song but it still sounds good?[edit]

Like when Rihanna sampled the Numa Numa Mayas, or the song that sampled If I Had A Brain from the Wizard of Oz or something of that flavor and never mentions it again. Or a certain My Heart Will Go On remix, the intro might be the newer half in that one. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:19, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What's wrong with the terms you are already using: Introduction (music) and Sample (music)? I don't think there's a more specific term, but see also Song structure--Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:50, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sample would be wrong as both parts could be invented by one guy (Can you sample yourself? Then same time too in a continuous songwriting session) to show "look how random and artistic I am!" Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:21, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Of course you can sample yourself! Many artists have done so. Sampling is just the use of already-recorded music by cutting it and re-assembling it in a new context. Many artists have used the technique, especially in the 1960s and 1970s where groups like The Beatles and Pink Floyd used the techniques of sampling to create soundscapes that could not otherwise be achieved with just live-played instruments. --Jayron 32 16:56, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So if you wanted a crowd of yous singing and recorded yourself singing along with one you then recorded yourself singing along with two yous and so on till you have a crowd is sampling but writing an instrumental with a true intro before recording is not sampling? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:35, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In music, this is just called an "Intro". You can see an explanation starting just after the one minute mark here. That's the YouTube Channel of Rick Beato, a record producer and former university music professor. He knows a little something about music. He's done several videos on the "Best intros..." from various instruments and genres, and he generally explains it the same way each time, a "true" intro is musically distinct from the rest of the song, which is different from a riff or ostinato which is repeated throughout the song. An intro sometimes (but not always) makes a comeback during a bridge or closing part of a song, when it does it can be colloquially known as a "midtro" or an "outro" (and sometimes midtros and outros are musically distinct as well), but a proper intro still stands apart from the music of the rest of the song structure. --Jayron 32 10:48, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I had assumed that intro just meant the first part. So now I know. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:10, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[Off topic] Anybody interested in creating a Rick Beato article? He's probably "notable", considering he recently testified before a Congressional hearing as an "expert" regarding fair use of copyrighted music. Just wondering: @Jayron32: are you (also) a subscriber to his YouTube channel? --2606:A000:1126:28D:49BA:5D23:FB04:BB45 (talk) 16:59, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have been for some time. All of his stuff is an excellent watch. Besides his YouTube channel, he's also produced, engineered, mixed, or co-wrote songs with several charting acts, with Parmalee, Needtobreathe and Shinedown among the most notable. There several top-40 songs and big charting albums in there. I've thought about starting the article, but haven't had the energy. Maybe it's time. --Jayron 32 17:32, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is there enough material to satisfy our notability criteria? I don't see how he meets WP:NMUSIC. Does his channel meet WP:NWEB? --Lambiam 15:10, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are many hits: Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL -- Select examples:

Steinberg, Don (5 August 2020). "It's Never Too Late to Start Your YouTube Career". Wall Street Journal.
Harris, George W. (June 2, 2020). "RICK BEATO: WHAT MAKES THIS GUY GREAT?". Jazz Weekly.

2606:A000:1126:28D:49BA:5D23:FB04:BB45 (talk) 22:04, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've started a stub at Rick Beato. --Jayron 32 12:25, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]