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Identification of place - function[edit]

Hi Folks, does anybody know what the Hochsee-Wehrsportverein "Hansa" in Neustadt is? In the 1940's people took courses there. scope_creepTalk 16:29, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your link is to a disambiguation page. Do you know which of the 22(?) places in Germany of that name is intended? "Hochsee-Wehrsportverein" suggests a German Naval ("High Seas Fleet") sports organisation, whose branch in Neustadt may have been named "Hansa" (see the Hanseatic league), so we may at least be looking for somewhere on the coast! Neustadt, Hamburg might be a candidate, as the port of Hamburg was indeed in the Hanseatic league.
Is this concerning the article on Harro Schulze-Boysen (which indeed itself links to the disambiguation page)? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.217.209.178 (talk) 17:37, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi 2.217.209.178, Yip, I found out what it was, by accident. It was a sailing school. You were very close and I think if I didn't find it out by accident, I could have drawn a idea from you. Thanks. scope_creepTalk 17:43, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Trying to find a French source[edit]

I am trying to find out the actual title of this source and which issue it is in.

  • Bulletin de la Société des Études Océaniennes, Issues 200-211. Société des Études Océaniennes. 1977.

Text of the source:

KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:37, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The "Société des Études Océaniennes" society still exists and a visit to their site Société des Études Océaniennes is suggesting that the title of the source is the one given to the Bulletin. In other words there doesn't seem to be compilations from sources other than works directed by or submitted to the society. --Askedonty (talk) 20:59, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The "text" item in the xml is a little bit garbled by pieces of code but at the bottom of the xml you'll find a standard Dublin Core metadata set: Title / Bulletin de la Société des Études Océaniennes numéro 202 - Description / Chefs et notables des Établissements Français de l'Océanie au temps du protectorat : 1842-1850, Raoul Teissier - Source / Société des Études Océaniennes (SEO) -, dated 1978, copyrighted etc. --Askedonty (talk) 07:52, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Did you see the PDF link in the xml[1]? Does that help?—eric 23:06, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome. The PDF helps. KAVEBEAR (talk) 08:49, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Similar question, trying to find which 1944 issue of the same source contain this line: "Manaonao tenait le gouvernement, le nom d'Ariipaea était avec lui ; par lui fut dirigé le gouvernement de Punu i eaaite atua, sur Tarahoi."

KAVEBEAR (talk) 08:49, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@KAVEBEAR: the best place for such requests is our very own resource exchange, where a dedicated panel of volunteers is waiting to take your call :) ——SN54129 10:18, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
KAVEBEAR, I did not check the content yet - The extract you're looking for should be in: "Migrations polynésiennes. Etude critique" in issue 82, March 1948 (the Google books date given for the collection book is in fact that of the first bulletin in the book, with the curious result that the huge part of the content comparatively is postdated). --Askedonty (talk) 12:37, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No. 82 p. 422. We are so much more dedicated than those other people.—eric 13:32, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This is great. Thanks. What’s the exact title of this issue and the author? I can’t load the source on pdf. How do you access the xml? KAVEBEAR (talk) 16:32, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Lescure, Rey (1948). "Documents pour l'histoire de Tahiti". Bulletin de la Société des Études Océaniennes. 7 (12): 422. according to the table of contents (i am not sure about citing such things as a journal or not, the site suggests: "Bulletin de la Société des Études Océaniennes numéro 82". Bibliothèque Numérique de l'Université de la Polynésie française. Retrieved 25 November 2019.). It is in a section titled "1 - Voyage de Pomare à Raiatea" with a footnote to the title stating: "this document does not bear a title, is neither dated nor signed, it is written in French." It looks to be some kind of series by the author describing certain documents, and may be reorganized in the collection Askedonty is looking at in books and could explain the title differences. Here's the PDF URL and Omeka XML.—eric 17:04, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have nothing to add to what eric reported. Before the footnote from the same source (p418), approximately translated: these documents were written in 1845 long after the related events and the narrators are not fully reliable (...) We (the SEO, Lescure Rey) organised those various documents into 4 sections: Travel of Pomare's to the Souls le Vent Islands / War against Raiatea / the flag question / The Crowning of King Pomare. Because the sources are considered unreliable R. Lescure then lists as notable dates 1815, 1821, 1824, 1827, 1842. After that footnotes will be commenting on the origin of the report piece after piece of it. --Askedonty (talk) 17:34, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank again. EricR Why did you list "Documents pour l'histoire de Tahiti" as volume 7 and issue 12? I thought it was issue 82 -KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:47, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi KAVEBEAR, you're very welcome, some fun questions. It is Bulletin #82 but seventh year of publication (1948) and twelfth issue for that year. You'll notice that the page numbers start at 411 in the PDF, it's paginated by volume, and Tome VII (No. 12) does appear on the title page. I think google messed up calling the seventh volume "issues 72-89", those are the bulletin numbers collected in that volume, and maybe off by one number, could be a bulletin was split into multiple issues, or some kind of special issue within the year. I get confused by periodicals sometimes, there may be a volume number with no issue number, but a serial bulletin or newsletter number, or no volume number at all.

In this case 7 (12) is correct, but it is probably easier for others to find by using the bulletin number. Maybe "(No. 82)" should go in the "journal" field: Bulletin de la...(No. 82)?—eric 12:26, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think I understand now.KAVEBEAR (talk) 18:25, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Any idea what is the title of this body of work? It is divided into chapters but there is no title for the whole work and no indication of an author.

KAVEBEAR (talk) 18:24, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is it Mai-Arii Cadousteau? See this worldcat entry. This cited a bunch of different ways, but maybe: Cadousteau, Mai-Arii (1987). "Généalogies Commentées des Arii des Îles de la Société". Bulletin de la Société des Études Océaniennes. Nos. 239-240. All that is in the journal though is "MAI ARII de l'Academie Tahitienne", could Mai'Arii or MAI-ARII be a title and not a name?—eric 13:26, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome that is all I need. Thank you again. KAVEBEAR (talk) 17:17, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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