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People of African American And Jewish Descent vs People Of African American And Christian Decent[edit]

I am seeking information regarding Jewish African Americans and Christian African Americans and the relationship's between both peoples. Where should I start? TerahLugano (talk) 02:20, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish populations are isolated enough that they can be identified genetically. Christian populations are not. Genetically, there is no such thing as "Christian descent". <-Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots-> 03:31, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The only Jewish black African group that can be called a people that I am aware of is Beta Israel, but no or very few people from that group ended up in America. People captured in Africa, transported to the Americas and sold as slaves, were not of Christian or Jewish faith. Even if some were, they would have been unable to practice their faith during slavery, and the memory of it would not have been passed on to their descendants but have been erased. Inasmuch as their descendants in the US are Christian or Jewish today, this is due to their or their ancestors' conversion (on American soil), or to interracial marriage, both largely only after the abolition of slavery. Sammy Davis Jr. was a Jewish African American, but he was not of Jewish descent.  --Lambiam 06:23, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Some were Muslim (see Moors Sundry Act of 1790, Bilali Document), and some taken from the Kingdom of Kongo might have been Christians. AnonMoos (talk) 08:03, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Jewish descent" makes more sense than "Christian descent". In terms of African-American Jews, there are a few categories: black people who have converted to Judaism as individuals (e.g. Andre Tippett), African-Americans who are members of black Jewish sects which don't descend from the mainstream Jewish population (see Black Hebrew Israelites), and people of mixed African-American/Jewish descent. Additionally, as per Lambian, there are some African groups that have or claim Jewish descent, some of whom are recognised by some or many other Jews, most notably the Beta Israel but also the Abayudaya (Uganda), House of Israel (Ghana), Igbo Jews (Nigeria), Jews of Bilad el-Sudan, Lemba people (Southern Africa) and Qemant people (Ethiopia).Some articles you may be interested in: African-American Jews, Black Judaism, and the articles in Category:African-American Judaism. BobFromBrockley (talk) 09:02, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Side-note, the word "decent" appears in the header, but this term is not mentioned in the OP's question itself. The OP also doesn't really specify any time-frame for the question. --Soman (talk) 11:00, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The OP obviously mean "descent". That could be corrected. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:20, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • One place to start would be to review the history of Ethiopia, which has had both a native Christian and native Jewish population since antiquity. Blueboar (talk) 11:30, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • ...but the notion of African identity of Ethiopians is contended (albeit, this has changed somewhat in recent decades). The OP asks about relations between Jewish African Americans and Christian African Americans, which is further complicated by the debate on whether recent migrants from Africa to the US classify as or identify as African Americans (from wiki article African Americans: "According to U.S. Census Bureau data, African immigrants generally do not self-identify as African American"). So looking at Jewish-Christian relations within African American communities, there are a few studies on this https://www.jstor.org/stable/30041968 , https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv12pnqmk , but this is overshadowed by a larger body of literature on African American-Jewish relations globally in the contexts of slavery and civil rights movement. --Soman (talk) 13:21, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • More specifically, there are notable people who are simultaneously of Jewish and African American descent, for example Lisa Bonet or Lenny Kravitz (who were married to each other for a time), and MANY African Americans are practicing Christians, and have parents that were as well. --Jayron32 13:50, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Slavery listings[edit]

Greetings,

In near future I wish to begin a review process of information gap areas in relation to all articles under topic of slavery. As initial part of this exercise I would like to know if any 'list articles' are already existing in any of following areas

    • List of source locations of slaves
    • List of Slave trade routes
    • list of Slave trading townships
    • list of Specific market locations in townships or trade centers
    • List of monuments dedicated to slavery
    • List of museums fully or partially dedicated to history of slavery

Personally I am myself was never keen on genre of list articles up til now. (So frankly I do not know how to search a list among many already existing) so may be any lists exists against above mentioned topics and I do not know, hence seeking help here.

Thanks,

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias are for expanding information and knowledge' (talk) 05:47, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

where would I find an article on all the different chemicals used in the Vietnam war?[edit]

If I was to look for a article on the different chemicals used in the Vietnam war, where would I find said article? Palmtreegames (talk) 16:41, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a pretty good one. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 16:56, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It wouldn't be a comprehensive list, but many of the chemicals used during the Vietnam war were defoliants and other herbicides. The article Rainbow Herbicides covers many of these. --Jayron32 17:54, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]