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Joe Yuele post

A few months ago, I submitted a bio on a famous drummer friend of mine, Joe Yuele. I received a note that I needed to verify my sources. My source was Joe himself, who provided me with his bio. How do I cite this as a verifiable source? Thanks. -Jim — Preceding unsigned comment added by J. Klingtone (talk • contribs) 15:22, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

@J. Klingtone: Even if Joe was a professionally-published media source that anyone else could access (instead of a person who pretty much only you can access), because he is the subject of the article, he's not independent enough to establish notability.
Because you are his friend, you have a conflict of interest and should not be editing or writing articles about him.
If you're going to write an article about anyone or anything, here's the steps you should follow:
1) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find.
2) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.
3) Summarize those sources from step 2, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer.
4) Combine overlapping summaries (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports) where possible, repeating citations as needed.
5) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism.
6) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.
7) Expand the article using sources you put aside in step 2 (but make sure they don't make up more than half the sources for the article, and make sure that affiliated sources don't make up more than half of that).
Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion. Ian.thomson (talk) 15:30, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
You have another problem, in that a lot of what is in your draft is very similar to a Joe Yuele bio at http://www.judytotton.com/printable/current_promotions/biography_john_mayall.htm That could be a copyright violation, and even if revised, not a suitable reference, as Judy Totton is in public relations, i.e., it is not a published source about JY. David notMD (talk) 16:03, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
@David notMD and Klingtone: That is a published source. See Wikipedia:Published, where among the examples of a published source is A webpage on the Internet, including public web forums. Wikipedia:Published says: For Wikipedia's purposes, published means any source that was "made available to the public in some form". The question is whether such a publi9shed source is reliable and whether it contributes to establishing notability. In this case, the page should probably be considered as the equivalent of a press re4lease, which means that it is a self-published source, just like the subject's own web site. That means it is reliable for non-controversial facts about the subject, but not for controversial statements, not for exceptional or excessively self-serving claims, and not for anything about anyone else. It also means that it does not help at all to establish notability. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:43, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Masaji Ishikawa

hello i had received a message on my talk page about my article which was not published.I want to know why it was not being published despite being an essential an important article.I am new at wikipedia, lacking knowledge about how things work around here.I really appreciate the helping hand lend by teahouse thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sd masum reza (talk • contribs) 16:52, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

@Sd masum reza: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The message you speak of included a reason- that the sources offered do not indicate how the person is notable. To merit an article here, a subject must be written about with in depth coverage in independent reliable sources. You may find reading Your First Article helpful, as it describes the process and what is being looked for. You may also find using the tutorial at this page helpful. 331dot (talk) 16:55, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
An autobiography of the person who is the topic of the proposed article is not acceptable as a citation. References need to be for stuff written about the person by other people. David notMD (talk) 00:53, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
@David notMD and Sd masum reza: It is not correct that, An autobiography of the person who is the topic of the proposed article is not acceptable as a citation. Such an autobiography is s Self-published source It is generally an acceptable source, and is not infrequently the best source, about a particular topic. There ar some restrictions on using such a source: it can only be used if 1) the material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim; 2)t does not involve claims about third parties; 3) it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the source; 4) there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity; and 5) the article is not based primarily on such sources. Related to point 5 is the further restriction that such sources do not contribute to establishing notabili8ty which must be done through independent sources. That is why other sources should normally be sought first. Then, once notability is clearly established, self-published sources can be used. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:56, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Acknowledging I misinterpreted guidelines here (and at another Teahouse comment). Per DESeigel, the article still needs independent sources to establish notability according to Wikipedia's rules. David notMD (talk) 17:04, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Edit request

I’d like to edit page WWE do to the fact the they were once called the World Wide Wrestling Federation. Cowboysfan3214 (talk) 17:11, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Cowboysfan3214. This is already mentioned in the section "Prior to Titan Sports". If you'd like this to be included in the lead section, post your edit request on the article's talk page. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:22, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

I mean on the template. Cowboysfan3214 (talk) 17:28, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Ah yes, the infobox. Same thing, ask it on the talkpage at Talk:WWE. I don't know why it's not included. Maybe there's a reason. Maybe they just forgot. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:50, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

cannot see my post

Lew Sid(born Clinton Derrick Cuffee in Virginia Beach on March 21st., 1990) is an American rapper. Awarded first place in 'Howard University's Hottest music category while attending Howard University in 2012 as a student-athlete, Lew's release 'Whole Squad' caught fire in VA, spreading to clubs in NC, NY, DC, and eventually becoming the warm up music for the Portland Trailblazers NBA home games. 'Whole Squad (with well over 125,000 streams on Spotify) was recognized by Norfolk, VA’s 103 Jamz radio station as the number 3 record of 2016. Posted to WorldStarHipHop, this popular video picked up over 22,000 views in one day. Lew's hot release 'How you Feelin' was reposted by Royce Da 5'9 on Instagram where it was liked by Usher. Featured in numerous Hip-Hop blogs, including Thisis50, Hype- FreshMag, and HipHop, Lew Sid opened for rapper Busta Rhymes and T.I at the Norva in Norfolk and also for rapper Rick Ross in Norfolk Va. in 2016. Known as a strong lyricist in the rap music business, this notable banger is currently working with his indie label Aspire to release future Inspire Music Group originals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helplord13 (talk • contribs) 17:37, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Helplord13, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft is at Draft:Lew sid. But I'm afraid that, in its present state, it has no chance of being accepted as a Wikipedia article, and if you moved it to article space, it would probably get quickly deleted. Writing a new article in Wikipedia is hard, and I suggest you start by reading Your first article, and go from there. But to give you some pointers about what the problems are with your draft, the main ones are:
  • There are no references. Put bluntly, Wikipedia has no interest at all in what you, or I, or any random person on the internet, knows or thinks or believes about Lew Sid: it is only interested in what has been published about him in reliable sources (such as major newspapers, books from reputable publishers, or websites with a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking). If you can't find a published source for some information, don't put it in an article, period.
  • It is not written from a neutral point of view. Phrases like "caught fire" (unless literal, obviously) and "Known as a strong lyricist" never belong in any Wikipedia article, unless they are direct quotations, properly cited, of reliably published material from people who have no connection with the subject. --ColinFine (talk) 18:33, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Help

Hello,

I am new to the world editing, need some assistance linking a word to a website on Wikipedia.

thank you, IpMan13 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ipman13 (talk • contribs) 18:16, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Ipman13, and welcome to the Teahouse. I think you are trying to add a wikilink to the article Interpersonal deception theory, making the existing word "micro-expressions" link to the article microexpression.
The basic way to do this is by putting the name of the article in double square brackets thus:
[[microexpression]]
but that will display the name of the article precisely, microexpression, and you want it to display differently.
The general method is to put the display text after the "pipe" character (|) inside the brackets:
[[microexpression|microexpressions]]
This will display as microexpressions, but point to the article as before.
One shortcut is that if all you want to change is to add something on the end of the word (such as a plural 's') you can simply write it outside the brackets (without a space):
[[microexpression]]s
displays as microexpressions.
Here there seems to be a problem that the target article does not hyphenate the word, while the link is hyphenated. The best solution to this sort of problem is to eliminate it by making them consistent: if all (or most of) the sources spell it one way, then the Wikipedia articles should spell it that way. But sometimes this isn't possible for various reasons. In that case you'll need to use a piped link, as I think you tried:
[[microexpression|micro-expressions]]
which displays as micro-expressions.
Finally, please sign your posts on talk and project pages (but not articles) with four tildes (~~~~). --ColinFine (talk) 18:55, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Need help in my first article

My hello to all valuable contributor,

After a long research and hard work. I have created an article Spandana Palli. but as a beginner I made a mistake in uploading photo of the subject. some issue has been raised by volunteers and I am unable to resolve it due to little knowledge. I request you all to kindly help me. I am ready to follow all the steps to remove that issue. Please help me. I have great expectation from you.

Bdatech (talk) 15:57, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

You can start by reading WP:PAID. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:02, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
User denies paid, has changed name (bdatech is a website) and the attempt at a Spandana Palli article deleted. She was contestant in 2018 Miss India contest, but not the winner. David notMD (talk) 18:14, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
The article Spandana Palli has been converted to a redirect, but has not been deleted. Should additional sources or reasons for notability come to light, it can be changed back to an article and improved by any editor. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:43, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
my username was consisting of first letter of my name and Tech represent my love for technologies. but I got notice on my name as bdatech is a website. I don't have any connection with that website. I am an individual. I have changed username in order to resolve issue raised by @331dot. Coming to being paid I have already clarified that I am not being paid for this article. (No one will pay to my type of content writer). I read many articles on beauty pageant in wikipedia and took reference of Sana Dua for my article (as this is my first article). I tried my best to follow all the guidelines. After that I am being targeted from different source on my article, Even on my username also. I was expecting that I will get help from the volunteers but here it difficult to keep leg straight.: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Am2623 (talk • contribs) 18:56, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Am2623 and welcome to the Teahouse. I am sorry that there was confusion and misunderstanding. Wikipedia now gets quite a lot of paid promotional editors, often wanting to promote marginal "celebrities" or businesses. This has made many volunteers wary.

When you uploaded the picture, you marked it "Own work" which should mean that you held the camera and clicked the shutter button. But the same image apparently appeared on Palli's instagram, which led people to conclude that either your statement of "own work" was incorrect, or that you must be closely associated with Palli if your pic appeared on her site. If the image is to be used in future, that would need to be clarified.

We do want to help new editors who intend to contribute to the Encyclopedia. But many people try to edit in ways that are not acceptable by Wikipedia's standards, and a good many of them get rather stubborn about it. There are good reason fro the various rules and practices that you ran into, but they aren't obvious at first, and in my view we don't do as good a job of explaining them as we might. It is not easy. Are there further issues that I or we can help you with at this time? DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 21:22, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

I really appreciate the your concern and thankful to you for your clarification. I will keep your points in mind in my next articles. Coming to nobility of my article, Spandana Palli as a Indian girl, has achieved a lot in his carrier. But unfortunately news coverage is less because of low digital awareness. She is always in local Newspaper (Paper format). [1] [2] Can I use different newspaper as reference. Am2623 (talk) 12:45, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Hello again Am2623. You may use any independent published reliabrl source as a reference. This will include most newspapers. A source does NOT need to be online -- offline printed sources may be used. A source does not need to be in English either, although if equal-quality English-language sources are available, they are preferred. See WP:CITE. For offline sources, you should provide: the name of the publication (newspaper, magazine, or whatever), the date of publication, the title of the article, the page number, the name of the author (reporter) IF that is stated in the publication, and the location of [publication (unless that is included in the name of the publication). A citation Template such as {{cite news}} will offer a convenient way to organize this information, but this is not required. If the source IS online, please provide all the same information, plus a link to the online version. The template does this with the |url= parameter. For an online source, please also give the date it was checked or retrieved. The template does this with the |access-date= parameter. You can read Referencing for Beginners for more details. If you have further questions, feel free to ask here again. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 13:31, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
As you instructed I have given reference from newspaper in | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spandana_Palli#the_subject_of_the_article_doesn't_fails_WP:NPERSON | page. Requesting you to kindly edit my article Spandana Palli from redirection. So that I could add more reference in that article. (One of contributor warns me not to edit by myself so please help me) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Am2623 (talk • contribs) 15:38, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://lokdesh.com/epaper/235/1/6
  2. ^ http://www.ehitavada.com/hitavadanew.aspx?lang=6&NB=2018-06-24&spage=RCpage&SB=2018-06-24#RCpage_2
Note that three editors redirected the article in question. You would probably have more luck creating a draft or editing your sandbox.--SamHolt6 (talk) 19:21, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

New editor question

Heading inserted by ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Now that have just edited my first article,how will i manage to write the second up to ten — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vidyut Domie (talk • contribs) 19:34, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Vidyut Domie. I'm afraid I don't understand what you're asking. You haven't edited an article at all: you have made some edits to your user page, which is not an article and must not look like one: it is a primarily a place where you may share information about yourself as a Wikipedia editor: please do not try to write an article about yourself there, or anywhere else in Wikipedia. If you're looking for help in getting strted as an editor, I suggest you try The Wikipedia Adventure. --ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
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