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Template:TVS-cleanup[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 05:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Template:TVS-cleanup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Completely inactive template. Has not been updated from 2006 and used outdated parameter and categories. Was not in use only on 1 article (has been replaced by {Tl|Cleanup). If it were being used actively we might consider keeping it, but as it is now, this is just redundant to {{Cleanup}}. Because of the outdated parameter better to delete than to redirect to {{Cleanup}}. Debresser (talk) 17:42, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Little used and redundant to the much more widely used {{Cleanup}}, with no significant benefit from the specifics it adds. However, just to be sure all sides are heard from, I put a notice about the TfD at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television Stations. --RL0919 (talk) 01:06, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete As a member of TVS I didn't even know we had that template. If we ask for a cleanup a regular template works just as well, so I see no problems with deletion. Nate • (chatter) 06:09, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:East Asian Football Championship squad templates[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete (the 12 listed in the original nomination). JPG-GR (talk) 05:37, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Hong Kong squad 2003 East Asian Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:China Squad 2003 East Asian Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Japan Squad 2003 East Asian Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:South Korea Squad 2003 East Asian Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Korea DPR squad 2005 East Asian Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:South Korea Squad 2005 East Asian Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Japan Squad 2005 East Asian Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:China Squad 2005 East Asian Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Korea DPR squad 2008 East Asian Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:South Korea Squad 2008 East Asian Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Japan Squad 2008 East Asian Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:China Squad 2008 East Asian Football Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not notable. East Asian Football Championship is a minor competition and not important compared to FIFA World Cup or continental championships (UEFA European Championship, Copa America, AFC Asian Cup, Africa Cup of Nations and CONCACAF Gold Cup). Baransaka (talk) 18:23, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. GiantSnowman 11:57, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all - per prior concensus, navboxes of this type are only needed for FIFA championships and Confederation championships. Adding them for minor tournaments such as this is overkill at best. Jogurney (talk) 14:30, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all - I also nominate the following roster templates. Lomocompact (Lomocompact) 06:03, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Vietnam squad 2008 AFF Suzuki Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Thailand Squad 2008 AFF Suzuki Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Indonesia Squad 2008 AFF Suzuki Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
  • Keep All - Importance and notability here is subjective. Yes the tournaments are not as big as the World Cup or other regional cups but who is not to say that these tournaments won't become more important and notable in the future given time to grow. Who is to say that these type of tournaments are not important and notable for those small, less powerful countries that have no/limited chances of making it to the world cup and other big tournaments and whose only time in the spotlight is under these minor tournaments. There is no reason to delete them because they pale in comparison, importance and notability to the bigger events which in turn does not mean they are not notable or important to begin with and having them is not "overkill". Transaction Go (talk) 16:06, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - as I state in more detail below, no one is suggesting that the articles for these tournaments be deleted. Jogurney (talk) 21:16, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep All: This competition was organized by international "Federation" too. EAFF & ASEAN are autonomy organization with AFC, it is a unusual case. Hoising (talk)
  • Delete all - Prior consensus within WP:FOOTY is that only national squads for the FIFA World Cup and the top national competitions of UEFA, CONCACAF, CONMEBOL, CAF, AFC and OFC should have squad templates. The East Asian Football Championship and the Suzuki Cup do not fall under those categories. – PeeJay 17:45, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly Keep: It's an important regional tournament. One day it may become even bigger, who can predict this? We have input historical/factual information, why is their need to delete? Druryfire (talk) 20:31, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - this TfD is about the navboxes, not the articles. I certainly agree that we should have articles about the tournaments, but navboxes for the squads are unnecessary and will become unwieldy (there are several minor tournaments in each region). The articles about the tournaments probably already have squad lists, and it would be fine to create squad lists in the articles that don't have them. Navboxes are a step too far. Jogurney (talk) 21:08, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Furthermore, to assume that the competition will become any bigger than it already is (which can't be that big, tbh) would be crystal-balling, which is not an admissible argument either for or against deletion. – PeeJay 23:21, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Updated Additional Keep All Comment - If these templates get deleted then I will strongly insist that Football at the Summer Olympics squads templates and other similar templates gets deleted as well. They are no where near as important and notable as the World Cup and other federation cups. They are not under FIFA's statutes or any of the main federations or even the subfederations which also follow FIFA's statues. While the Olympics are important and notable this event is not and is not a defining part of the Olympics and note Notability is not inherited. Olympics have also gone on without a football event.
Ultimately though they have been an "amateur" event and most recently they have essentially been a youth tournament. And as per a confirmed deletion case here "Youth tournament templates deletion", youth tournament templates are to be deleted. This is as opposed to a tournament in which professionals take part in.
Template:United Arab Emirates squad – 2003 FIFA World Youth Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:South Korea Squad 2003 U-17 World Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Peru Squad 2007 U-17 World Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Ghana Squad 2009 African Youth Championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Iraq Squad 2006 Asian Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Argentina Squad 2004 Summer Olympics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:France Squad Summer Olympics 1996 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Germany squad 2008 Olympic Beijing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Italy Squad 2000 Summer Olympics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Portugal Squad 2004 Summer Olympics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Brazil Squad 2000 Summer Olympics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Mexico Squad 1996 Summer Olympics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:China Soccer Squad 2008 Summer Olympics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Spain Squad 2000 Summer Olympics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Note these are only some of the templates. Also not sure what to make of this template below.
Template:Peru Squad 1930s Golden Generation (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
The thing is that, along with my previous post, the importance and notablity here is subjective and it is unfair to compare them to the top echelons. Transaction Go (talk) 19:08, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If we cannot consider the (admittedly subjective) importance of a tournament in deciding whether squad navboxes are needed, then someone can create navboxes for all squads at every possible football tournament, including glorified friendlies like the U.S. Cup. I agree that the youth tournaments don't need navboxes (nor the Asian Games), but the Olympic tournaments have more notability than regional tournaments as it probably makes sense to have navboxes for the participating football squads. Jogurney (talk) 21:04, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep All it is a notable regional football event, and what harm is there in keeping the templates that already exist Eldumpo (talk) 13:19, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think you've just explained why these templates should be deleted. The point is that these templates are for a regional event, but the consensus is that only confederational tournaments should have individual squad navboxes. The East Asian Football Championship is not a confederational tournament, and the templates should be deleted. – PeeJay 21:29, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:57, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all non-Confederational minor regional tournament templates should not have templates for squads. --Jimbo[online] 05:02, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep ALL - They are very notable important tournaments! Keeping is a must do! Elite Honour (talk) 16:00, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all - consensus is only major tournaments should have templates; these are minor, regional ones. No need for them. GiantSnowman 23:42, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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College football roster templates[edit]

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The result of the discussion was substitute and delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:49, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2008 Pittsburgh Panthers football roster (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template only used on a single page, pretty much making it useless. The information can be added within the relevant article. Grsz11 20:26, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak delete. I am ok with deleting these. Not sure how this got to be standard practice anyway. Just make sure the data is moved the season articles before deleting.—NMajdan•talk 20:48, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • If deletion is the consensus, would it be possible to have a bot go through and copy these templates to the article space? Seems like it would be pretty straight forward. Grab the template, look at What Links Here, find the appropriate season article, within the article find where the template is transcluded and replace it with the data in the template from the opening table tag to closing table tag ({| |}).—NMajdan•talk 21:08, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also may want to consider adding Template:1994 Alabama Crimson Tide Starters to the list.—NMajdan•talk 21:18, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as long as the information is put on their respective articles.  –Nav  talk to me or sign my guestbook 00:22, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I think it's clear that articles work better. DGG ( talk ) 00:02, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Talkbubble[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete, author requested deletion. JamieS93 19:13, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Talkbubble (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template designed to create eyesore signatures; unused. Rd232 talk 17:58, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, not useful here. ╟─TreasuryTag►ballotbox─╢ 17:59, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Not appropriate per WP:SIG. I note that the same user who created this template requested speedy deletion of another inappropriate sig template when notified of it via a previous TfD. Perhaps the same could happen this time? --RL0919 (talk) 18:23, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Is going to go the same way as my personal burger, Template:Launchballer.--Launchballer 18:57, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Individual images of CT of human brain[edit]

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The result of the discussion was substitute and delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 19:40, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Individual images of CT of human brain (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only used on one page, as a collapsing image gallery. Articles shouldn't contain galleries anyway, and especially not collapsing ones. Fixing those issues in the template would render it little more than a handful of image tags, again with no potential use outside the one article. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 17:47, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Very well. They are still found by clicking the compound image above the template. Mikael Häggström (talk) 17:54, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Subst and delete. Given the nature of the subject, it might be relevant to include a series of images in the article. However, a single-use template is not required to include any images. --RL0919 (talk) 18:27, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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