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Australia women's national wheelchair basketball team at the 2012 Summer Paralympics

Promoted to A-Class by Grahamec (talk) 10:26, 21 September 2015 (UTC)‎ — Preceding comment added by Evad37 [talk] 12:57, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

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Australia women's national wheelchair basketball team at the 2012 Summer Paralympics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) review

Suggestion: Promote to A-Class
Nominator's comments: This article is about twelve Aussies and their dream of a Paralympic medal.
Nominated by: Hawkeye7 (talk) 08:35, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
First comment occurred: 06:26, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Review by Evad37

Review

Signing up to review this article. |'ve had a quick look through and my initial impressions are that it seems quite good, though perhaps a little heavy on quotations – but more to come on this and other things later in the actual review, after I've more thorough look through (hopefully within the next day or so) - Evad37 [talk] 06:26, 6 August 2015 (UTC) soon-ish - Evad37 [talk] 11:27, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

(Sorry that I'm so late with this review.) Since this is A-class I'm going to skip most of the minor style nitpicks which can be fixed during (or before) a FA nomination. Other issues:

Overall, there are a lot of statistics tables throughout the article – have you considered making the Australia stats for each game collapsible, and collapsed by default? This might improve the readability of the article while retaining the relevant stats for those who are interested.

Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Lead
  • Medals are mentioned in relation to 2000 and 2004. For 2012, all that is mentioned is losing the final; does this equate to silver?
    Yes. Added words to that effect. Before every game at the NGA there was a spiel about the team, emphasising how these Aussie battlers have never won at the Paras or the Worlds. After Toronto 2014, their record remains intact. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Its hard to see any details of the team in the top image; a cropped (and maybe wider?) version would look better.
    Well, on my monitor at 2560x1600, the 300px (my default) image is about 5cm across. Clicking on it gives you an 800px image. I think it's a fabulous image. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
    I've uploaded a cropped version so we can compare:
original
cropped version
wider cropped version
I'll leave it up to you – the original is better when viewed at a larger 800px, but should we be expecting that readers will actually click on the thumbnail? - Evad37 [talk] 04:41, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Can the image be put inside the info box (which is the convention I see for most other articles on Wikipedia).
    No, the particular infobox does not support that. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
    Well, infoboxes can be adjusted... I'll make a proposal on the template talk page and see what people think. - Evad37 [talk] 04:41, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
    Enlarged the image at the top to make it easier to view everything. I prefer the full image, which provides context. You can see the crowd and the media. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Background
  • 19-year-old teammate Merritt, who had not even been born when Carter had played in Barcelona. – not sure about the "not even been born" comment. Seems a little redundant given the dates 1992, 2012, and the age of 19. Maybe rearranging the sentence to The youngest, who had not even been born when Carter had played in Barcelona, was her 19-year-old teammate Merritt.
    Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
  • The gallery caption says "2011–12", but the text of the article only mentions 2012
    Changed to "2012". People from other countries sometimes have the notion that the national teams are thrown together for big events. This is not the case in Australia. The Gliders are a permanent team, with a full-time head coach. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Group stage
  • Splitting a quotation between inline with the paragraph, and indented after the paragraph, is a bit disconcerting. It is also quite a long quotation, all together - takes up about half the text in that section above the table. Both issues can be resolved by paraphrasing the first part of the quotation (the Canada "will be a tough side to beat, as will the Netherlands, who historically have beaten us by just a few points on a few occasions" quote)
    @Hawkeye7: ? - Evad37 [talk] 04:41, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Abbreviations used in the table need to be explained, at least on their first use (MOS:ABBR) – could be done at the bottom of the table with the colour key.
    Added. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Grey summary boxes
  • Again, abbreviations used without explanation (Rebs? Asts?)
    Added Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
  • The "Report" link should be formatted as a source (like the bottom of "Australia – Group A Preliminary – Australia vs Brazil" table) rather than a plain external link - assuming that is the source.
    I can't. It's a standard template shared with many, many articles. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
    Well, the templates can have parameters added so that this article can have consistently formatted citations (A-Class criteria A1. / WP:FACR 2.c.), and follow the WP:External links guideline (external links should not normally be used in the body of an article, with rare exceptions).
E.g. in Template:2012 Summer Paralympics women's wheelchair basketball game A2, the line 
| report     = [http://web.archive.org/web/20130527054633/http://www.london2012.com/paralympics/wheelchair-basketball/event/women/match=wbw400a02/index.html Report]
can be changed to 
| report     = {{{report|[http://web.archive.org/web/20130527054633/http://www.london2012.com/paralympics/wheelchair-basketball/event/women/match=wbw400a02/index.html Report]}}}
, which will allow this article to specify something like 
|report=Source: Source name<ref>{{cite web|...}}</ref>
without effecting any other articles. - Evad37 [talk] 04:41, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Uh, okay. Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Canada
  • , in her British accent, – is this relevant?
    The GA reviewer thought so. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Gold medal match – Germany
  • The last paragraph is basically just two quotations, which seem quite long for quotations (3+ sentences each). Surely some of the information there could be paraphrased?
    I don't think so. Kristina Keneally's comments I thought were really well said. They were sincerely meant, but you can also feel the sense of disappointment. At the time I wrote the article I did not realise how strongly she felt. I thought Bridie's comments end the article on a nice note. I also wanted to work "12 deep" in somewhere. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
    Okay. But maybe we could have some words in between the two quotations? At the moment Keneally's quotation ends, and the next one begins with readers not knowing who they belong to for another 30 words. - Evad37 [talk] 04:41, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
    Added a bit more to separate the two. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

The article is looking pretty good otherwise. - Evad37 [talk] 02:01, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your review!
Resolved issues struck, and see replies above - Evad37 [talk] 04:41, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Support - Evad37 [talk] 00:41, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Review by AustralianRupert

Support: G'day, sports articles aren't my forte, but I had a look anyway. I believe that this is probably up to snuff for an A-class, and have the following comments/suggestions:

  • The article is well referenced using a consistent style, it appears to have adequate coverage, and is illustrated with appropriate images.
  • "The first stage of the Paralympic completion was the group stage..." (should "completion" be "competition"?)
    Yes. Corrected. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:21, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
  • "quarter–time break" (this should probably be a hyphen, not an endash)
    Removed the endash
  • "Heidelberg Leader" should probably be in italics in the References
    Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:21, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
  • inconsistent presentation "del Toso" v. "Delt Toso"
    It should be "Del Toso". Corrected.
  • some terms/links are probably overlinked. For instance, multiple mentions of the same player in the summary sections, e.g. " Pts: Estrada Bernal 11, Rebs: Estrada Bernal 4, Asts: Estrada Bernal 16 "
    Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:21, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
  • "|author=aa/jjs " --> is this correct?
    Yes. Removed. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:21, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your review! Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:21, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Review by Anotherclown

Support - I've no idea about this topic but in the interests in trying to get WP:AUS A class off the ground I'll chime in:

  • Overall this article looks in very good shape to me and I'd say it meets the A class criteria.
  • Is there a missing word here: "The official announcement of the membership of Paralympic team...", i.e. should it be "The official announcement of the membership of the Paralympic team..."?
    Yes. Well spotted. I have corrected it. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:07, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
  • "Crispin made only 3 out of 10 shots, and Merritt only 4 out of 16." I assuming these figures are for the whole game? I had to read it a few times because it sounded like it was just for the fourth quarter (which wouldn't make sense given AS only scored two points in the fourth quarter). Possibly clarify? Anotherclown (talk) 10:59, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
    Yeah, for the whole game. I've clarified the point. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:07, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your review. Much appreciated. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:07, 24 August 2015 (UTC)


information Note: This article needs an image review, and a source review for formatting/reliability - Evad37 [talk] 04:44, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Review by Dan arndt

Support however the following issues need to be addressed:

  • Ref 2 - link to Heidelberg Leader
  • Ref 6 - dead link
  • Ref 11 - link to The Sun rather than sun.uk.com
  • Ref 12 - the article's author is Yves Eggleston : 23 December 2011
  • Ref 26 - the article's author is Frederic J. Brown
  • Ref 28 - this links to a wikinews article not Paralympic News Service
  • Ref 49 - publisher is Australian Paralympic Committee
  • Ref 53 - publication date is 7 September 2012
  • Ref 55 - publication date is 10 April 2013
  • Ref 56 - publication date is 31 May 2013
  • In the references the publisher only needs to be linked once (i.e. Australian Paralympic Committee is link in Ref 3, 13 & 17.. and Basketball Australia is also linked numerous times)

I hope that helps. Dan arndt (talk) 06:32, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your review! Much appreciated. I have made all the changes suggested. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:46, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Hawkeye7 you missed one Ref 1 & 4 both link to Basketball Australia. Dan arndt (talk) 12:22, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Unlinked in ref 4. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:10, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Review by Lankiveil

I am mainly going to concentrate on images and licences.

  1. File:Australia - Canada, women's wheelchair basketball at Paralympics 2012.jpeg - CC-BY-2.0, taken from Flickr but the licence there matches what is on Commons so no concerns.
  2. Various "kit" images, used in the infobox, all PD.
  3. File:Sarah Vinci 1.png - CC-BY-SA-3.0, although this is a PNG and should be a JPG.
  4. File:190411 - Cobi Crispin - 3b - 2012 Team processing.jpg - CC-BY-SA-3.0
  5. File:310511 - Bridie Kean - 3b - 2012 Team processing.jpg - CC-BY-SA-3.0
  6. File:190411 - Amanda Carter - 3b - 2012 Team processing.jpg - CC-BY-SA-3.0
  7. File:150611 - Tina McKenzie - 3b - 2012 Team processing.jpg - CC-BY-SA-3.0
  8. File:190411 - Leanne Del Toso - 3b - 2012 Team processing.jpg - CC-BY-SA-3.0
  9. File:170511 - Clare Nott - 3b - 2012 Team processing.jpg - CC-BY-SA-3.0
  10. File:150611 - Kylie Gauci - 3b - 2012 Team processing.jpg - CC-BY-SA-3.0
  11. File:140611 - Shelley Chaplin - 3b - 2012 Team processing.jpg - CC-BY-SA-3.0
  12. File:150611 - Sarah Stewart - 3b - 2012 Team processing.jpg - CC-BY-SA-3.0
  13. File:140611 - Katie Hill - 3b - 2012 Team processing.jpg - CC-BY-SA-3.0
  14. File:Amber Merritt of the Australian Gliders (cropped).jpg - CC-BY-SA-3.0
  15. File:Australia - Canada, women's wheelchair basketball at Paralympics 2012 - 2.jpg - CC-BY-2.0, taken from Flickr but the licence there matches what is on Commons.
  16. File:Australia - Canada, women's wheelchair basketball at Paralympics 2012 - 3.jpg - CC-BY-2.0, taken from Flickr but the licence there matches what is on Commons.

In short, no serious problems. I would recommend converting that PNG to a JPEG or other format more suitable for photographic images. I also think that the images are not evenly distributed throughout the article, and the bottom of the article looks a little bare compared to the top half, although I also realise that you're limited to working with what is available to you. Lankiveil (speak to me) 10:08, 15 September 2015 (UTC).

Thanks for your review! The frustration here is that I have plenty of images but... I cannot use them, because they are under a non-commercial licence. Hawkeye7 (talk) 10:38, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
I understand the frustration! Just to be clear, there's nothing here that in my opinion should stand in the way of this article's promotion. Lankiveil (speak to me) 10:52, 15 September 2015 (UTC).
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Promoted to A-Class by Grahamec (talk) 00:21, 21 October 2015 (UTC)‎

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Great Northern Highway (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) review

Suggestion: Promote to A-Class
Nominator's comments: Great Northern Highway is Australia's longest highway, with a length of almost 3,200 kilometres (2,000 mi), all in a single state – that's longer than the whole of I-95, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was the longest road to be nominated at ACR.
Nominated by: Evad37 [talk] 11:06, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
First comment occurred: 19:12, 16 January 2015 (UTC)


Review by Dough4872

Review by Dough4872

I will review the article. Dough4872 19:12, 16 January 2015 (UTC) Comments:

  1. What is a "sealed" road? A wikilink or a brief description would help here.
    Wikilinked - Evad37 [talk] 05:55, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
  2. In the route description you use "Mid West" and "Midwest". You should be consistent in usage.
    Fixed - Evad37 [talk] 05:55, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
  3. In the Perth and Wheatbelt sections of the route description, you should make it clear where National Highway 95 becomes concurrent with National Route 1 in Middle Swan and that National Highway 95 continues along the Great Northern Highway when National Route 1 splits off in Muchea.
    Done - Evad37 [talk] 05:55, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
  4. The sentence "Great Northern Highway continues north-east for 26 kilometres (16 mi) through to Bindoon, passing to the west of Lake Chittering, curving east to cross the Brockman River, and the back north around the eastern side of Lake Needonga." is choppy and needs to be rewoeded.
    Adjusted - Evad37 [talk] 10:30, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
  5. The sentence "5 kilometres (3 mi) further north, Bindoon–Moora Road branches off to the north-west, while the highway skirts east briefly then continues north, reaching New Norcia after 46 kilometres (29 mi)." should not begin with a numeral.
    Fixed - Evad37 [talk] 10:30, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
  6. The sentence "Great Northern Highway proceeds on its journey north, crossing the Yule River and its tributaries and then running parallel to the Turner River, until it reaches North West Coastal Highway, over a 220-kilometre (140 mi) distance" also needs to be reworded.
    Adjusted - Evad37 [talk] 10:30, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
  7. The sentence " After 145 kilometres (90 mi), the highway reaches the turnoff for Derby, Derby Highway, in Wallare, having crossed the Fitzroy River on Willare Bridge." needs to be reworded. I would mention the bridge crossing before mentioning the Derby Highway to keep things in chronological order.
    Adjusted - Evad37 [talk] 10:30, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
  8. The phrase "all year round" can be changed to "year-round".
    I think "Driving was difficult and hazardous all year round." actually sounds better than "Driving was difficult and hazardous year-round." - Evad37 [talk] 10:30, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
  9. Whyndham? I assume this is a misspelling.
    Fixed - Evad37 [talk] 05:55, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
  10. Is "flood plane" the proper term? I thought it was always floodplain or flood plain.
    Fixed - Evad37 [talk] 05:55, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
  11. "2004/05" should be changed to "2004-05" as a dash is used to delineate years.
    The slash can be used to indicate fiscal year, per WP:DATERANGE - Evad37 [talk] 05:55, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
  12. "In September 2013, construction began on a project to straighten and widen Great Northern Highway's curves around Bindi Bindi, due to be completed in January 2015", has this been completed yet?
    That's the latest news I can find at the moment, so presumably its not yet completed - Evad37 [talk] 05:55, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
  13. In the major intersections table, why do the kilometerposts not have commas but the mileposts do? This sounds like an issue with the template that needs to be fixed. Dough4872 03:22, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
    I've raised this at Template talk:Jctint/core#Formatting_of_large_distances - Evad37 [talk] 05:55, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Support - Concerns addressed. Dough4872 17:15, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Note: This will need a source review and 1 full review and an image review to pass ACR. --Rschen7754 04:21, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Image review by Rschen7754

Completed review

I will handle the image review. --Rschen7754 01:34, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

I feel really badly that this nomination has dragged on this long. I've been wanting to review it, but I've been busy lately. If it keeps dragging on I will eventually review it, but if someone else wants to, feel free to take it. --Rschen7754 23:04, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Source review by Imzadi1979

A couple of quick comments to start. All of the footnotes use the same date formats, so that's good. A couple of general comments though:

  • I'd harmonize the titles to use either Title Case or Sentence case consistently. In either method, subtitles start with a new capital letter. It's especially apparent when The vital link: a history of Main Roads Western Australia 1926–1996 and The Vital Link: The Transition Years 1996–2006 are both cited with those respective capitalizations.
  • There's also some inconsistency if titles and subtitles are separated by a colon or a dash of some sort. I'm definitely used to the former (CMOS requires it), but again we can and should be consistent. That's a minor typographical change we can make to polish things.
  • I would also harmonize if state names are spelled out or abbreviated in locations. I see "Perth, WA" and "Nedlands, Western Australia" in use.
  • For note 56, I'd include a location for The Advocate to differentiate it from any other publications with that title. (In the US, it's the name of a long-running LGBT magazine, for instance.) On any notes citing the Geraldton Guardian and Express, I would drop the "WA" as a location unless there is another publication by that title. The location in a citation is used as the analog to a parenthetical diambiguator in our Wikipedia titles.
  • Lastly, note 25 is a map that appears to be using the old way of doing things in {{cite map}}. Earlier this year we adopted a more standardized scheme from academia of citing authors of maps as authors, instead of relegating them to {{para|cartography}. (There are still cases where it is appropriate though to do so.) It also appears that the template has |type=PDF when it should have |format=PDF, resulting in a duplication of "PDF" and overriding the indication that the document is a map.If the map has a fixed scale, it really should be indicated, even if you have to use |scale=Scale not given. Typically in citing maps in academic contexts, I've only seen them omit the scale indication if it's variable, like Google Maps.

Now that those formatting comments are out of the way, I can say that every source is appropriately reliable for use in an article on Wikipedia. They're all good maps, good newspaper articles, books, or government publications that pass our basic reliability tests. So if the formatting is polished up, this should have no problems with any future FAC. Imzadi 1979 → 05:02, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Noting that I've done some of the fixes; subtitle colon/dash harmonisation and location adjustments still to be done. - Evad37 [talk] 07:29, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
@Imzadi1979: Fixes should all be done now, if you would like to take another look - Evad37 [talk] 03:19, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Looks good. Just one minor comment though, which is a bit more of food for thought. In my experiences, the general rule is that the place of publication for a source is given as a city, not a whole state, so on what is now note 57 it would list the specific city in Western Australia where The Advocate is published. Imzadi 1979 → 04:14, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
I was having trouble determining a more specific location as their website only described the distribution area (which isn't a single city/location, but "the shires of Gingin, Chittering and some of the fastest growing suburbs of the City of Swan"). Looking into this further, their facebook page gives an address in Midland, WA, so I've used that. - Evad37 [talk] 06:13, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Review by Rschen7754

I'll admit upfront that this review will probably be really slow and might take a month, just because I have so little time right now... but I think it's better than Evad having to wait another 3 months for the review to be closed (which would likely happen otherwise). So, I'll break this up into small pieces.

Preliminary stuff
  • Some sections were effectively just sand - "effectively just" seems a bit colloquial here.
  • NorthLink WA should be linked in the lead. --Rschen7754 23:04, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
    • Done these - Evad37 [talk] 02:16, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
Route description
  • 7830 and 17,710 - inconsistent (also see other numbers in that sentence)
    • Fixed - Evad37 [talk] 02:16, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Out of five stars, 21% was rated -> were? same with 79%
    • I used "was" here because the percentages are of the highway (singular) – i.e. 21% [of the highway] were... doesn't seem right. - Evad37 [talk] 02:16, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Great Northern Highway begins in at Morrison Road - don't need "at"
    • Adjusted to "begin at" - in isn't really correct.
  • paralleling the coastline for 455 kilometres (283 mi), passing - needs an "and" before "passing"
    • Done - Evad37 [talk] 02:16, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Some of the climates should probably be linked
    • Linked tropical monsoon climate - Evad37 [talk] 02:16, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
  • The highway continues on for six kilometres (3.7 mi), - no need for a comma after that. --Rschen7754 23:54, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
    • Removed - Evad37 [talk] 02:16, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
History
  • The Midland Junction Municipal Council - run-on sentence
  • "with the sealed road ending just past the Wheatbelt town of Miling in 1950." - Do we know how the sealed road got there? (There may not be info on this, but I thought I would ask)
  • rather than the historical but slow cattle drives - not following why "historical" is mentioned here.
  • However, the resources allocated to Great Northern Highway were needed just - don't need "just"
  • Same with "even just" later on
  • "Newman was reached" - passive voice i
  • eleven route corridors were investigated - by who?
  • $2.5 billion - there should be a nbsp here (and in similar places)
  • Take a look at MOSNUM - I'm seeing some inconsistencies where you spell out the number versus where you use the numerals.
Future
  • Is the first paragraph still up to date?

This completes the review. --Rschen7754 21:42, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

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