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Cyril Bassett[edit]

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Cyril Basset was the first soldier in the New Zealand Expeditionary Force (NZEF) of WWI to be awarded the VC, which also was the only one awarded to a serving member of the NZEF for the Gallipoli Campaign. The article went through a GA review back in 2014, and I have managed to expand it a little since then. I look forward to the feedback of reviewers and, all going well, seeing this article be promoted to A-Class. Zawed (talk) 02:11, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Chetsford[edit]

There's not a lot to say on this in terms of content or grammar as it's passed GA with very limited intervening edits. That said, it appears - from my review - that:

  • Images are correctly licensed and have ALT tags; no DAB or external link issues; I checked JSTOR, Google Books, and newspaperarchive.com and could find nothing of substance about Bassett that is not already contained in the article (see three possible exceptions, below)
  • Possible issue: cite 4 is returning a 404 error for me ... with that in mind would it be possible to archive all the web sources?
  • Fixed the cite error. Have archived the links the wayback machine would allow me. The NZ Herald website doesn't allow archiving from the looks and the London Gazette and NZDB web cites use templates that don't appear to display the archive link. Zawed (talk) 01:56, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Possible issue: this section in the lead - "the highest award for gallantry in the face of the enemy that can be awarded to British and Commonwealth forces" - isn't supported by a source in the lede ... obviously this is correct, though, and it is a well-known enough fact that it might be covered by common knowledge
  • Have expanded on this in article body and cited. Zawed (talk) 01:56, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Possible issue: the Akaroa Mail And Banks Peninsula Advertiser from 12 May 1916 contains a several paragraphs long, first-person account by Bassett of the scene of action ... given the age of newspaper, the proximity of the date of report to the date of action, and the fact it is an unfiltered account, this might be a case of WP:PRIMARY, though a few lines of Bassett's observation might add some color
  • Have added a quote from Bassett, cited to Snelling although I think drawn from a primary account. Zawed (talk) 04:04, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Possible issue: apparently the New Zealand Post issued (or is issuing) a commemorative coin showing Bassett in action [1] ... would this be appropriate for a "legacy" section?
  • I would prefer not to add since it refers to a commercial product. Zawed (talk) 04:04, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Possible issue: there's apparently an annual event sponsored by the GoNZ called the "Cyril Bassett VC Speech Competition" [2] ... would a one sentence mention of its existence be appropriate for a "legacy" section?
  • Have added a sentence about this. Zawed (talk) 01:56, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What a fantastic and well-written article about an important subject! Chetsford (talk) 22:54, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Chetsford, many thanks for your comments and feedback. I have dealt with the various points you have raised or responded above. Thanks again. Zawed (talk) 04:04, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support from AustralianRupert[edit]

G'day, Zawed, nice work. I have a few minor suggestions/observations: AustralianRupert (talk) 08:05, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • the infobox mentions he was born in Mount Eden, but this isn't mentioned in the body
  • In 1909, he joined what later became the Territorial Force: might be best to clarify this was a part-time organisation?
  • if possible, I suggest trying to expand the coverage of his service on the Western Front. For instance, are there any more details that could be included about the actions that led to his nomination for the Military Cross?
  • I've expanded a little on his wounds but there is nothing around the MC nomination unfortunately. Zawed (talk) 10:09, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • do we know what year he married Ruth Grant?
  • Managed to find the wedding notice, have added as a source. Zawed (talk) 10:09, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • A speech competition...: is this an annual competition?
  • suggest removing the embeded external link for North Shore Memorial Park and replacing it with a proper wikilink (even if it is a redlink)
  • as "It just wasn't done": suggest decapitalising "It" here
  • corporal in the Corps of Signals --> corporal in the Royal New Zealand Corps of Signals as there are a number of corps that have similar names
  • Retrieved 2015-11-22 --> Retrieved 22 November 2015 for consistency of style
  • in the References, some ISBNs are hyphenated but one isn't: this should be consistent (although it is a very minor point of style)

AustralianRupert, thanks for the feedback, I have made a number of edits as a result of your review. Cheers, Zawed (talk) 10:09, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Image review[edit]

  • File:VCCyrilRoystonGuytonBassett.jpg: it's not clear to me from the provided description why the image would be CC licensed. Is anything known about its earlier provenance?
  • Unfortunately I don't know the exact source of the image. It was uploaded in 2004, well before I started editing Wikipedia. I suspect that it is one in a series of studio photographs taken to celebrate the award of his VC, there are others that show him wearing the bandolier and VC, including this one [File:Cyril Bassett VC (15792094849).jpg] on Commons. Zawed (talk) 21:07, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • If we're going to keep using this image, would be worth checking into the library to see if anything more can be found. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:37, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've opted to replace the image with another one from Commons, which has come from NZ archives. Zawed (talk) 08:57, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Cyril_Bassett,_1917.jpg: what was the author's date of death? Nikkimaria (talk) 16:11, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Henry Sanders was the official war photographer for New Zealand in WWI. He died on 5 May 1936. Zawed (talk) 21:07, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay. This will need a tag indicating its status in the US. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:37, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Ian[edit]

Well, conditional upon any image issues being resolved of course. Pls let me know any probs with my copyedit -- I don't have outstanding prose or comprehensiveness concerns, and didn't see any red lights in terms of source reliability. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:38, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

All good with the edits, thanks for the review and support. Cheers, Zawed (talk) 09:12, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Hawkeye7[edit]

Like Ian, I made a minor copyedit. [3] All looks good to me. Some readers might find it odd that a signaller is described as a sapper; this is because the Signal Corps was merged with the engineers before the war, based on the notion that in the future signals would be electrical and mechanical. It turned out though that signals is more complicated than they thought, and the Signal Corps was re-established after the war. Not suggesting adding this to the article though. All good. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:41, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review (and edit). Cheers, Zawed (talk) 09:13, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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