Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Keith Miller

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Keith Miller[edit]

Passed --Eurocopter (talk) 17:43, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator(s): YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!)

Famous cricketer and RAAF pilot from WWII. Extensively referenced and illustrated.... YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 07:24, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - 573 footnotes?!? I can't believe that I am thinking this, but would it be possible to cut down on some of the citations in quadruple and quintuple-cited sentences? This would reduce some bytes, which you need to do - the page is almost at 140 bytes. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 11:45, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The extra footnotes actually only add about 10k and to the best of my knowledge the article is only 80k in prose which is not unpermissible. If I cut down the footnotes there would basically be one dominant source which is not good for FA. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 23:45, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

14,073 word count, 80 kb. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 03:32, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

O really? I don't have the fancy prose script, and I just figured that the prose was more. Never mind! —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 04:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Five (maybe four) disambig links need to be located and if at all possible fixed. Eleven external links register problems ranging from dead links to moved links, these need to be checked and either fixed or removed. TomStar81 (Talk) 16:43, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done the only ones remaining are a few "moved links" but these aren't actually moved, because it is just a redirect to a free registration and login page and then goes back to the nominal URL. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 23:45, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
- Images are usually supposed to "snake" right and left throughout the article. Is it possible to move some of the this way?
- In the infobox, in the "Career statistics" section, there's a red link to Test matche. Is it a typo? -- Nudve (talk) 06:24, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed both. Alternate and all-right alignment can be used. I chose the latter. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 04:33, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Overwhelming, but never boring! One thing not strictly germane to this review, wouldn't he have answered to the nickname of "Nugget" in the Air Force as well? If so, there's a Nickname field in the military person infobox for his military service article... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He was given the nickname after VE day to the best of my knowledge and the military service after that was mostly just the cricket. Still Dusty works. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 23:59, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support.

"Again he had a near miss, when he was forced to land his faulty Beaufighter." A near miss of what? And why would he be forced to land a faulty plane? Maybe this should be rephrased, did the problems develop while in the air?
"England were close to full strength," Was, you mean? Actually, maybe you don't, you did the same thing later on in the article. Don't know enough about Cricket to tell.
"which it hoped would be more attractive to watch." What is it? The game itself can't want something.
"His efforts led to calls for him to start taking his bowling seriously," He wanted people to make him take bowling seriously?
"In the first innings of Third Victory Test at Lord's,[144] When finally called upon to bowl," W should not be capitalized.

A few issues here, it'd be nice if they could be dealt with, but they're all fairly minor and shouldn't post any impediment. – Joe N utter 23:25, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I kept the "England were" because it seems normal in sports parlance in all newspapers and books etc, to use plural to refer to a collective team of sportspeople like that. The others I've tried to reword for clarity. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 02:29, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I consider it to be referring to the single team, collectively, but I suppose that's more of an individual choice, and not a problem if most sources do it that way. Otherwise, looks good. – Joe N utter 21:04, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Extremely detailed and informative article. I still believe that the sections with separate articles could be shortened, but no big deal. Cla68 (talk) 00:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC) Comments:[reply]

I don't really understand the source for this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and this image. Are they from a book? If so, it needs the full book info (publisher, date, etc). Even if you have all of the book information in the article, the image files are separate and also need the full source information.

Copied in the wiki-style templates. The pictures of course already have a date of photo, although not exact in some cases, but known in enough detail to be within the PD timeframe. PD-Australia doesn't depend on the death of the author, just 50 years after the photo, so the unknown status of the photographer is ok. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 06:55, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Since you have a separate article for his military service, I think you could cut that section by at least a third. Several of the anecdotes, for example, could be removed. Same thing for the First Ashes Series, Invincibles tour, 1953 Ashes tour, and Final Ashes tour sections.

The stuff in the main article is already down to about 50% where a fork exists, more in some cases. I would usually throw away anecdotes, but the main things about Miller's war years are the "legends" and gripping stories etc, although as an officer he wouldn't have been independently notable. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 06:55, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that the AWM images can't be linked directly to their source page because of the way the AWM site is structured, but if you could link to the AWM image search page, it would make it easier for people to verify the source of the images by copying and pasting the image ID numbers.

Done YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 06:55, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What is the source for this and this images? Cla68 (talk) 06:26, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

National Archive (Aus) YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 06:55, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Wandalstouring (talk) 15:33, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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