Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Lindsay Hassett

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• Closed with a consensus to promote.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 02:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Lindsay Hassett

Nominator(s): YellowMonkey (new photo poll)

Why is this up here? Well, Warrant Officer Hassett was the captain of the Australian Services cricket team, the Australian military's cricket team, which was officially a military unit. In 1945, they toured England, India and Australia and played in pseudo-international matches against England and India, raising a lot of money for war charities; the government kept extending their service to make more money out of them. YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 09:35, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• No dablinks. The external link checker flags all of the pages from "Cricinfo.com" as having indetermiante status, because of a redirect that "changes sub-domain", but that doesn't seem to be a world-ending problem. Only one image had alternate text. -- saberwyn 00:53, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

The redirect was easily changed with a cut/paste of a pattern prefix :) Alt images done, and some images culled for not being free in the US as well as Australia YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 09:33, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

• Support This is a very detailed and well-written article. I've focused my suggestions for further improvements on Hassett's military career:
  • ""though he struggled in the Tests, he played a crucial role in Australia's win in the Fourth Test, which sealed the retention of the Ashes with a composed display in the run-chase" is a bit awkward

done YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 06:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

• • File:WO_Hassett_(crop).jpg is unsourced and there's a crisper (and confirmed PD) version of it on the AWM's database here (the AWM has about 10 photos of Hassett during the war so you may wish to add another one to the 'War years and the Services team' section

Sourced, it was a crop of another taken straight from AWM. I am a bit leery of the AWM pics though, as they seem to just say "copyright expired" on photos they also say were taken by a newsagency in the UK, because even if the photographer died the next day, it wouldn't be free until 2015, unless the newsagency donated the rights to the AWM and/or they were then donated.... YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 06:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

• • It would be helpful if some dates were added to the paras on the Victory Tests and tour of India in the 'War years and the Services team' section (eg, when were the matches played and when did the plot against Hassett take place?)

Done YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 06:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

• • The peformance of the Australian Services cricket team seems to have deteriorated over time - was this due to them becoming upset about not being demobilised? (something which wasn't uncommon with the remaining members of the military)

Made more explicit the fatigue and homsickness YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 06:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

• • The 'Outside cricket' section is adequate, but seems a bit short - can this be expanded into a few paras? Nick-D (talk) 10:37, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Managed to scrape some more out. He was fairly low key, as are most I guess in the old days YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 06:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

• Comments A1. Excellent citations as always. Fifelfoo (talk) 04:11, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Cashman et al., pp. 109–110. ; Name the article and the individual author in the notes section, also the total page range for the article.

Serves me right for using tertiary sources in profile compilations eh?? Done. It was only the original two pages YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 06:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

• • Robinson, chapter 10. Page Range? Chapter name?

Changed it, it was reporduced in another book in the normal way

• • McHarg, statistical appendix. Page Range for Statistical Appendix?

Don't have the book it was added the previous author; added alternative and commented this one out

• • Extraneous fullstop, "Miller, Keith (1956). Cricket Crossfire. London: Oldbourne Press. pp. 77.."
  • Bibliography, "Haigh, Gideon; Frith, David (2007). Inside story:unlocking Australian" space after colon
  • "Southbank, Victoria: News Custom Publishing." Check if vanity press / self press.

Done the rest, no, NCP is not vanity, Haigh and Frith are world-famous and the book was released amid much fanfare as they were given access to the previously locked archives of Cricket Australia, although apparently Bradman insisted on minimal records when he was in command and they didn't discover any dirt or any info at all on him.. what a cunning politician he was. YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 06:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

You know, I always had a background mistrust of Authority Figures, the Don being part of that. And after reading about his, High Impact Outcomes Focused Management Style and his attitude towards records keeping...; "News Custom" just triggered a warning flag in my mind as far as a publisher name. Glad its good. There's no large problem with using Tertiary sources when and as appropriate. Particularly when they're specialist works on topic done by specialists, etc, etc, etc. But who knows, someone might have drawn an opinion on player quality out of the article for "Stumps" :). Fifelfoo (talk) 06:27, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Serves me and probably lots of wikipedians for not learning to cite fully to begin with.... YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 06:30, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

• SupportComments:
  • in the References section, I think some of the titles are not capitalised correctly as per WP:MOSCAPS#Composition titles (for instance: Inside story: unlocking Australian cricket's archives should be Inside Story: Unlocking Australian Cricket's Archives);
  • unless I missed it (apologies if I have), you don't seem to specifically mention Hassett's passing away in the prose. I suggest just adding in a sentence or two at the end of the Outside cricket section. AustralianRupert (talk) 12:07, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Doing YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 00:18, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

• Support
  • Up to usual standard referencing/detail/illustration-wise. Made a number of prose edits, which I hope have not adversely affected any meaning. Main things (I say this for you to check further as I may have missed some instances) were overuse of the subject's name, and singluar/plural grammar issues (e.g. "Australia" is a singular entity so takes "was', not "were"). None of this was so vital for ACR but might bear on a potential FAC, as do my only outstanding queries/suggestions:
    • You use "establish(ed) himself" is successive sentences -- perhaps "cemented his place in the team" or something similar could be substituted for the second (I thought of "distinguished himself" but you use that soon after as well)...
    • I understand the use of "ton" to avoid repeating "century" but suspect someone will complain of jargon -- maybe a link to century would forestall that...
  • Think that's about it -- well done! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:29, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

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