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Thomas Hardy (Royal Navy officer, died 1732)[edit]

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Nominator(s): Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk)

Thomas Hardy (Royal Navy officer, died 1732) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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A strange one. Knighted for discovering the Franco-Spanish fleet before the Battle of Vigo Bay in 1702, Hardy was court-martialled for not attacking a French squadron in 1707, and then investigated three more times for the same action. Made a rear-admiral in 1711, he was given command of a squadron in the English Channel. Highlights of this command include failing to catch a French squadron and letting the Dunkirk privateers out to destroy a convoy in 1711, and failing to intercept two more French squadrons in 1712. Made second-in-command of the Baltic Fleet for the Great Northern War in 1715, he served for one season before being dismissed from the navy, possibly for Jacobitism! Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 22:28, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Hawkeye7[edit]

Looks pretty good. I have nothing much to say, but some points to prove I did read it:

  • Done.
  • Link Vice-Admiral, Rear-Admiral, Captain, Colonel, election petition, List of governors of Plymouth#Lieutenant-Governors of Plymouth
  • Done.
  • "The fortifications of Cádiz however proved too strong" Delete "however"
  • Done.
  • "commanded by Admiral François Louis Rousselet de Châteaurenault" Vice-Admiral
  • Done.
  • "Ordered to gain intelligence on French movements, the Portuguese were unable to provide him with such" Who was ordered: Hardy or the Portuguese?
  • Oops, certainly not the Portuguese!
  • "incensing the Cabinet who saw Hardy as at fault for not stopping him" I don't think "saw" is the right word here, as he was cleared of blame. "considered"?
  • Done.
  • "As such Hardy was brought before committees" Delete "As such". Or re-phrase.
  • Done.
  • "He having already been found innocent" Suggest "Since he had already been found innocent"
  • Done.
  • "from where Hardy was sent to the court " where -> whence
  • Done.
  • "Within Dunkirk a French privateer squadron was fitting out" Within -> At
  • Done.
  • "with which to embark the princess" You haven't said that she was a princess
  • Reworded to avoid confusion
  • "He became an Elder Brother of Trinity House in 1710" This is Leake right?
  • Nope, reworded
  • " as his political career clashed with the new monarchy of George I" Not sure what is meant here.
  • Have made an attempt at rewording but very open to suggestions. (The source only unhelpfully says "Like a number of other officers with secondary political careers, he found it difficult to flourish in the circumstances which prevailed after the Hanoverian succession, and he was dismissed")
  • " and was buried with his wife" I'm guessing she was dead at the time.
  • Ooh err, would have been a little awkward if she wasn't! Reworded.

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:20, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Hawkeye7: Thanks very much for the review, have replied above. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 15:24, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good. Supporting. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:01, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Image review - pass[edit]

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All good. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:01, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

HF - support[edit]

If I haven't gotten to this by Tuesday, please ping me. Hog Farm Talk 20:02, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • "and given command of the 6-gun fireship HMS Charles" - is 6-gun just a size rating, or was the Royal Navy putting cannons on something they just intended to light on fire?
  • The ship is recorded as holding 6 guns, although the size isn't recorded. I assume fireships had guns because until they were expended they still had to serve and/or defend themselves. Charles, for example, was first commissioned in 1689 but only expended in 1695.
  • Makes sense. I had in mind the Confederate fireships which were generally derelict hulks or glorified rafts. Hog Farm Talk 03:12, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He continued in command of Pendennis until the end of the Nine Years' War in September 1697" - I think the chronology of the Nine Years' War could be clarified a bit - wasn't La Hogue part of it?
  • Mentioned it alongside La Hogue as well
  • "With the War of the Spanish Succession ongoing [...] and the allied army successfully got ashore" - I think this would benefit from a simple sentence or clause stating who the allies are and which side the British are on
  • Done.

Rest of it looks fine, no significant issues. Hog Farm Talk 23:15, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Hog Farm: Hi, thanks for the review and apologies that it's taken me this long to get back to it. I've replied above. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 18:58, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support by CPA[edit]

  • I don't think the "died 1732" is needed in the article's name because there isn't a Thomas Hardy who is also an officer yet. If you're about to change it please do it after the nomination will pass or otherwise the bot will be confused.
    • I added the date to ensure that the article wasn't confused with Sir Thomas Hardy, 1st Baronet, who is a much more famous Royal Navy officer. Open to suggestions if you think it inappropriate though.
I think almost any British reader would assume that a British naval officer named Thomas Hardy was the one of Trafalgar fame. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:20, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Hardy became a follower of George Churchill" Add here his rank.
    • Done.
  • "Hardy was knighted for his services." Which year?
    • The same year as noted earlier in the section.
  • "who became Hardy's patron in the service.[3][1]" Re-order the refs here.
    • Done.
  • "protecting trade from French privateers.[3][1][6]" Same as above.
    • Done.
  • "of mast ships in October.[3][8][7]" Same as above.
    • Done.
  • "Anglo-Dutch army successfully got ashore.[3][12][11]" Same as above.
    • Done.
  • "had recently arrived from the West Indies and was sheltering off Vigo.[3][2][15][16]" Trim one citation here per WP:CITETRIM.
    • Done.
  • "valuable ship" sailing from Santo Domingo" Add country here.
    • Not sure if this would be useful; the answer is "Spain", but saying so might confuse people into thinking I'm talking about mainland actual Spain..
  • "three ships[Note 3] to Tangier" Add country here.
    • Done.
  • "fleet and having seventy-four casualties.[3][2][23][21]" Trim per WP:CITETRIM.
    • Done.
  • "February, again serving in Dilkes' squadron" --> "February, again serving in Dilkes's squadron" Extra s is typically British.
    • Done.
  • "to the Channel, having been unproductive off Portugal.[30][29]" Re-order the refs here.
    • Done.
  • "convoy while he was parted from it.[3][2][32]" Same as above.
    • Done.
  • "ignored the vessel, entering Brest on 13 September" Add here country there are multiple Brests in the world.
    • Done.
  • "honourable court martial should be upheld.[Note 9][39][37]" Re-order the refs here.
    • Done.
  • "investigations were widely denounced as "un-English".[3][2][40]" Same as above.
    • Done.
  • "the line HMS Albemarle.[Note 10][3][2][40]" Same as above.
    • Done.
  • "From Lisbon the fleet travelled to Barcelona" Add country after Barcelona.
    • Done.
  • "Barcelona, where she and Charles married.[45][42]" Re-order the refs here.
    • Done.
  • "to blockade Dunkirk, with his flag in Canterbury" Add country here.
    • Done.
  • There are three howevers maybe remove one here?
    • Done.
  • "command through the winter of 1711–1712" Try to avoid seasons because of MOS:SEASONS.
    • Done.
  • "In the summer of 1715 Hardy was appointed second-in-command to Admiral" Same as above.
    • Done, might be a little awkward though.
  • "no official report of such a promotion occurring.[59][57]" Re-order the refs here.
    • Done.
  • "married the politician George Chamberlayne.[2][3][60][61]" Trim per WP:CITETRIM.
    • Done.
  • Isn't it court-martial instead of court martial? Same with in depth and in-depth?
    • Fixed in-depth, but believe court martial is British spelling.
  • "The French formed line of battle" --> "The French formed a line of battle"?
    • Believe the former is correct.
  • "(died 28 April 1720) some time before 1710" --> "(died 28 April 1720) sometime before 1710"?
    • Done.

That's anything from me. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 14:25, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@CPA-5: Hi, thanks for the review! This completely slipped me by, apologies for not getting to it sooner. Have made my responses above. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 16:54, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
CPA-5 ? Gog the Mild (talk) 16:48, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - pass[edit]

  • Any chance of OCLCs for the two Clowes works?
    • Done.
  • And is there an OCLC for Campbell?
    • Done.
  • In passing, why the upper case initial letters for "Elder Brother"?
    • Re-checked the source, and that's my bad. Changed.
  • The sources all seem to me to be appropriately reliable and I can see no formatting issues. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:03, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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