Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Assessment/A-Class review/Interstate 80 Business (West Wendover, Nevada – Wendover, Utah)

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Support. --Rs chen 7754 18:35, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Interstate 80 Business (West Wendover, Nevada – Wendover, Utah)[edit]

Suggestion: Promote to A-Class

Nominator's comments: I would like to try again after the last failed ACR for this article, which can be found here.

Nominated by: Admrboltz (talk) 04:00, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

First comment occurred: 03:07, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Resolved issues from Dough 48 72 05:09, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - I have some concerns before I can support this article for A-class:

Is it necessary to have the UT 58 section in the notes at the top of the infobox? It looks tacky and there is already a UT 58 shield in the browse at the bottom of the infobox.
1. It was added as a comprimise in the last ACR. Dave and CL were going back and forth about how to list the fact that UT-58 is concurrent through Utah. --Admrboltz (talk) 03:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The lead seems a little hard to follow, jumping between a description of the route and history. Can it be restructured to describe the routing first then the history?
1. Tweaked some. --Admrboltz (talk) 03:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Maybe move the sentence "Wendover Boulevard was formerly part of U.S. Route 40 (US 40), which connected California to New Jersey via Nevada and Utah." to before describing the designation of BL-80. Dough 48 72 03:43, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    1. Moved --Admrboltz (talk) 04:02, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Starting at the final Nevada exit of I-80", this assumes the reader is traveling west to east on I-80. I would change "final" to "easternmost".
1. Done --Admrboltz (talk) 03:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Just west of the intersection is the fire station and courthouse, as well as a filling station and fast food outlet." seems a little too detailed for the route descrption. Maybe say "Just west of the intersection the road passes a few businesses and the courthouse."
1. Done --Admrboltz (talk) 03:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The first paragraph needs clarifications as to citations. Is the West Wendover map supposed to be the citation used for the paragraph save for the sentence citing the image of the painted line? If so, a citation to the map should be added after the sentence "The two casinos are connected via a sky bridge that allows pedestrian access between the two hotels without crossing the highway." to make sure that is cited to the map and not the image of the line.
1. Done --Admrboltz (talk) 03:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  1. The sentence "At the border, BL-80 becomes concurrent with Utah State Route 58 for the final 1.363 mi (2.194 km) through Wendover, Utah." needs a citation. Dough 48 72 03:43, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    1. Done --Admrboltz (talk) 04:02, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Some detail could be added to the route description, such as how many lanes the road is and what surroundings the road passes in Wendover, UT.
1. Done --Admrboltz (talk) 03:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Are there traffic counts more recent than 2007 available? Also, "The average traffic measurement is collected at the Nevada–Utah state line." needs a citation.
1. Done --Admrboltz (talk) 03:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Still need a citation for the first paragraph describing the traffic counts. Dough 48 72 03:43, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    1. Fixed --Admrboltz (talk) 04:02, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The history is missing a few details, such as the history of the US 40 and NV 224 designations through Wendover and when BL-80 was established.
1. This is going to take some doing first, as info on the NV side of the border is hard to come by. UT keeps all this info in the UDOT logs. --Admrboltz (talk) 03:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The sentence "The Utah segment, SR-58 was designated in 1969 between the state line and the junction with Frontage Road, which was formerly US 40." sounds awkward.
1. Tweaked --Admrboltz (talk) 03:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The sentence "No such request was submitted." needs a citation and should be combined with the sentence before it.
1. How do you cite this though? --Admrboltz (talk) 03:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  1. If there is no reasonable way to do it, then that is not a huge issue. However, this sentence should still be combined with the preceding sentence. Dough 48 72 03:43, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    1. Done --Admrboltz (talk) 04:02, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The image caption "BL-80 approaching the state line" needs some more details as to what direction it is approaching the state line.
1. Done --Admrboltz (talk) 03:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In the Major intersections table, it may help to have a column for what state the road is in since it spans multiple states. Dough 48 72 03:07, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
1. Thats never been done in any other article. I would like to hear other comments on this first. --Admrboltz (talk) 03:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  1. A few other articles covering routes in multiple states, such as Pennsylvania Route 491, Route 54 (Delaware–Maryland), and Nebraska Highway 370, have this setup. Others have the table divided into two for each state, which would make it look unnecessarily fragmented in this case. Dough 48 72 03:43, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    1. Added a state field. --Admrboltz (talk) 04:02, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - My issues have been addressed. If an establishment date for NV 224 can eventually be found, that would be great. Dough 48 72 05:09, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Dave

Resolved issues from Dave (talk)

I will have a full review shortly. However in the interim here are a few things I noticed:

I'd work in a link to Wendover Cut-off somewhere in the history section, as SR-58 is essentially the western end of that road
- The only solid reference on the Wendover Cut-off page is a reference to Utah highways, a SPS... --Admrboltz (talk) 17:48, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. --Admrboltz (talk) 05:21, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The rail line that passes through Wendover is referenced by owner only. The name of the line was the Feather River Route until the Union Pacific transferred it over to the Central Corridor (Union Pacific Railroad). Might want to work one of those two links in there somehow. IMO it is relevent as Wendover was essentially founded by the Western Pacific as the last available water before crossing the salt flats along the Feather River Route.
- Done, though do you have a ref I can cite for that? --Admrboltz (talk) 17:48, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. --Admrboltz (talk) 05:21, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Dough that having two SR-58 shields in the infobox does look awkward; however, I don't think I'll oppose over that, as I'm not sure how to fix it. Let me think on this.
- Ok. --Admrboltz (talk) 17:48, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dave (talk) 17:34, 6 December 2010 (UTC) Thinking about the dual shield more, how about just getting rid of the SR-58 shield at the top of the infobox? Was that an option considered?[reply]

Yeah, before I didnt have UT 58 in the browse box, I will drop it up top now. --Admrboltz (talk) 03:17, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Check for articles for some of the features mentioned. For example, Wendover Peppermill exists.
- Done, when I was last editing the article, none of those existed. --Admrboltz (talk) 03:17, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sentences like "Just west of the intersection the highway passes the courthouse, as well as a few businesses." aren't very helpful. At a minimum get rid of "as well as a few businesses", that doesn't inform much about the highway. To make this a truly valuable article, I'd research the official name of the courthouse.
- Previously, I had mentioned the businesses but Dough did not like the business directory. Changed around though. --Admrboltz (talk) 03:17, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If you're looking for ways to fill space, I'd suggest to add some content about the nearby Wendover Air Force Base nearby, which has quite a bit of history, namely as the home base of the Enola Gay and the base from which the atomic bombs were dropped on Japan during WWII.
- I've been there, its pretty snazzy, but... as you mentioned the article is about the road, not the stuff around it... Wouldn't that make the article cover too much?
  - In my opinion, if done right, adding points of interest like this can really add to the article. However there is a limit, I wouldn't add more than a couple of sentences on a point of interest, otherwise the article can sound promotional and like a travel guide. Dave (talk) 05:45, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - To clarify, IMO just saying "passes by a couple of buildings, oh and a school, doesn't help. If you can put names and notability to the features, IMO, that helps. Dave (talk) 06:04, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As for sources about the Victory Highway and Wendover Cutoff, the Article on the (dead) link to iup.edu on the Wendover cutoff is an EXCELLENT book (it's cited as a web citation, but it it in fact a (formerly) on-line book. I have it, as I used it for my research into U.S. Route 50 in Nevada and can look up specifics. You can also see how I cited that work on that article to get around the now dead link. If you have email enabled, I can email it to you when I get home (on the road now).
- I have email enabled. --Admrboltz (talk) 03:17, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. --Admrboltz (talk) 05:21, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As for sources about the rail line, uprr.com has some surprising gems in it, but you have to dig. For pages I've used: http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/maps/index.shtml and http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/history/uprr-chr.shtml The challenge is, while the Nevada DOT official map does specify this as the former Western Pacific Line (the Utah DOT map does not) is finding a source that actually uses the name "Feather River Route", most sources that use the name Feather River Route focus on the portion through the Feather River Gorge, and use a more generic name like "Main WP line" for other portions. However, the uprr.com link above does refer to the line by both names, so could be used to show the connection. Dave (talk) 02:26, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Got the stuff for the Central Cooridor name, but still working on the FRR mention. --Admrboltz(talk) 03:17, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Got the Feather River Route --Admrboltz (talk) 05:24, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support My issues resolved. Dave (talk) 18:36, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Let me add one addendum. You have the fact that I-80 BL is signed sourced to a photo on flickr. That will raise some eyebrows at FAC, should you decide nominate this article there. If you plan to nominate at FAC, I would advise to just not source it, if no better source can be found. That I-80 BL is signed is not controversial, and as such can probably squeak by without one. (Everybody's getting so anal about sourcing these days that few have actually read what WP:V actually says when citing that policy =-) ). Dave (talk) 18:42, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks :) Imz suggested I get pictures of the signs into the article and let the reader figure it out on their own. Also, can you collapse your comments? --Admrboltz (talk) 18:50, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Another PS, the article fails the ALT text test [1] To be fair most of the images that are not in compliance are not used directly in this page, but via embedded templates. Still, that will have to be fixed before nominating to FAC. For the map in infobox road, there is a map_alt parameter for this. (and yes I've had to fix many templates for my nominations to FAC) Dave (talk) 22:22, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Map and Wendover picture corrected. And per Template talk:Portal/Archive 2#About alt text, no ALT text is required for {{Portal}} boxes. --Admrboltz (talk) 22:31, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well shoot, the article looks good. I just have a few points to make:

In addition to US-40, US-50 Alternate (and before that US-50) ran through the area, coming west from Salt Lake and then turning south in Wendover at present day US-93A. I'm not sure when exactly US-50 switched alignments with US-50A (sometime in the early '50s I'm guessing), but there are plenty of maps and sources that they did run through Wendover.
- Added into last paragraph of history section. --Admrboltz (talk) 04:10, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The map looks a little different from the other maps that are usually around - this is more of a matter of personal preference but I'd like to see a standard map (whatever that means).
- Its three years old now, but it gets the point across. --Admrboltz (talk) 04:10, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In the RD, where it says, "BL-80 continues in an easterly direction passing 100 East (Aria Boulevard)...", I think you could just nix "100 East" and put Aria Boulevard. Since the street is named, its position in Wendover's grid is unnecessary to mention.
- Done. --Admrboltz (talk) 04:10, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Other than that (they're minor issues), I'll support this ACR. Good luck! CL (T · C) — 02:23, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, see replies above. --Admrboltz (talk) 04:10, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Review by Imzadi1979

The article looks good. Just some comments for the moment, starting at the bottom first.

This might not be something necessarily mentioned at FAC, but MOS:CAPS#Composition_titles says to change titles into Title Case. Fns 6, 16, 18–21 should be updated. Fns 24 and 25 probably should be as well. Otherwise, I can't fault anything in your sources.
1. Done --Admrboltz (talk) 16:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It would be nice if we could get the distance measurement at the state line crossing in the junction list. I'd span the first three columns with a blank cell, use the distance and then either use the state line as the destination or span that across the last two columns and run the concurrency note on a second line in that span.
1. Done --Admrboltz (talk) 16:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Can include the statutory definition in the prose? The effect of these last two comment would be to create copies of information in the infobox in the body of the article.
1. Done --Admrboltz (talk) 16:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"BL-80 was routed over the former US 40, through West Wendover and Wendover, along Wendover Boulevard since 1926." That sentence is missing a few words, unless you're trying to imply that BL-80 existed there since 1926. Something like: "BL-80 was routed over the former US 40, which followed Wendover Boulevard through West Wendover and Wendover in 1926."
1. Done --Admrboltz (talk) 16:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just those few items for me, otherwise the article looks good to go for me. Imzadi 1979 → 07:54, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I have changed the above items. --Admrboltz (talk) 16:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can't see anything left in the artilce that's obviously in change of changing. Thus I can support promotion to A-Class at this time. Imzadi 1979 → 17:50, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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