Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion/Templates (other)
 | Note: New versions of the templates based on this discussion have already been implemented, on 24 March 2008. |
Reasons for changing speedy-delete template wording:
- Correspond more closely with the criteria for speedy deletion (CSD)
- Brevity/clarity
- Avoid using italics in a way that might imply a direct quote of the CSD
- Often saying "(See CSDXX)" rather than just "(CSDXX)" to avoid implying a direct quote
Implementation:
- To delete "The reason given is:", for brevity, transclude new template Template:speedybase instead of Template:db-meta.
It's suggested that discussion take place at:
- Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion/Templates (general)
- Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion/Templates (articles)
- Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion/Templates (images)
- Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion/Templates (other) (redirects, categories, userpages, templates, portals) (i.e. this page)
- General discussion: WT:CSD
- Links to previous discussion can be found here.
(Moonriddengirl and Coppertwig.)
People may edit the tables and change the suggested wordings.
Redirects[edit]
| Criterion for speedy deletion | Current template wording | suggested wording | New! summary parameter (wording for edit summary of deletion log) | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| r1 redirnone Template:db-r1/new Template:db-r1/doc | Redirects to deleted pages and to nonexistent pages, or circular redirects. | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion. The reason given is: It is a redirect to a non-existent/deleted page, or to itself (redirect loop). (CSD R1) | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion as a redirect to a deleted or non-existent page or to itself (redirect loop). (CSD R1) | Redirect to a non-existent page or to itself (redirect loop). (CSD R1) |
| r2 rediruser Template:db-r2/new Template:db-r2/doc | Redirects to the Talk:, User: or User talk: namespace from the article space. If this was the result of a page move, consider waiting a day or two before deleting the redirect. | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion. The reason given is: It is a redirect to a user page, user talk page, or talk page from the main/article space. (CSD R2) | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion as a redirect to a user page, user talk page, or talk page from the main/article space. (Consider waiting a day or two after a page move. See CSD R2) | A redirect to a user page, user talk page, or talk page from the main/article space. (CSD R2) |
| r3 redirtypo Template:db-r3/new Template:db-r3/doc | Recently created redirects from implausible typos or misnomers. However, redirects from common misspellings or misnomers are generally useful, as are redirects in other languages. | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion. The reason given is: It is a recently-created redirect page resulting from an implausible typo (CSD R3) | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion as a recently-created redirect page resulting from a typo or misnomer which is implausible and not common, and is not in another language. (CSD R3) | Redirect from implausible typo or misnomer. (CSD R3) |
Comments[edit]
Thanks for your contribution, Od Mishehu (i.e. changing "nonexistent" to "nonexistent/deleted" in both the current template db-r1 and its representation here.) Since you haven't changed the "suggested" wording, I assume it's still OK with you. I think the "suggested" wording is marginally better, since it has the word "or" rather than a slash, making the logic clearer (i.e. that it doesn't mean "deleted and nonexistent".) --Coppertwig (talk) 14:01, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Categories[edit]
| Criterion for speedy deletion | Current template wording | suggested wording | edit summary of deletion log | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| c1 catempty Template:db-c1/new Template:db-c1/doc | Empty categories that have been empty for four days. This does not apply to categories presently on deletion discussions, or to disambiguation categories. | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion. The reason given is: It is a category that is empty and has been empty for at least four days. (CSD C1) | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion as a category that has been empty for at least four days, is not presently in a deletion discussion and is not a disambiguation category. (CSD C1) | Empty category. (CSD C1) |
| c2 speedyrename Template:db-c2/new Template:db-c2/doc | Speedy renaming.
|
This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion. The reason given is: It is a category being speedily renamed (typo fix, expanding abbreviation, capitalisation fix, compliance with "by country" format, singular to plural conversion or vice versa). (CSD C2). | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion as a category being speedily renamed (typo fix, expanding abbreviation, capitalisation fix, compliance with "by country" format, singular to plural conversion or vice versa. See CSD C2). | Deleted as part of a speedy renaming for typographic fix etc. (CSD C2) |
| c3 catfd Template:db-c3/new Template:db-c3/doc | Template categories. If a category is populated solely from a template (e.g., Category:Wikipedia cleanup from {{cleanup}}) and the template is deleted per deletion policy. | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion. The reason given is: This category is used solely by a template that has been deleted (CSD C3).}} | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion as a category used solely by a template that has been duly deleted (See CSD C3). | Category populated solely from a deleted template. (CSD C3) |
Comments[edit]
User pages[edit]
| Criterion for speedy deletion | Current template wording | suggested wording | edit summary of deletion log | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| u1 userreq Template:db-u1/new Template:db-u1/doc | User request. Personal user pages and subpages, upon request by their user. In some rare cases there may be administrative need to retain the page. | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion. The reason given is: It is a user page or subpage requested to be deleted by the user with whom it is associated. (CSD U1) | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion as a user page or subpage requested to be deleted by its user. (Note that in rare cases such may need to be retained for administrative uses. See CSD U1) | User page of a user who has requested its deletion. (CSD U1) |
| u2 nouser Template:db-u2/new Template:db-u2/doc | Nonexistent user. User pages of users that do not exist (check Special:Listusers). | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion. The reason given is: It is a userpage of a non-existent user. (CSD U2) | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion as a userpage of a non-existent user. (CSD U2) | User page of a user that does not exist. (CSD U2) |
| u3 gallery Template:db-u3/new Template:db-u3/doc | Non-free galleries. Galleries in the userspace which consist mostly or entirely of "fair use" or non-free images. Wikipedia's non-free content policy prohibits the use of non-free content in userspace, even content which the user has uploaded; use of content in the public domain or under a free license is acceptable. | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion. The reason given is: It is a gallery in the userspace which consists of mainly fair use images.(CSD U3)}} | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion as a gallery in the userspace which consists mainly of fair use images. (See CSD U3) | Gallery of "fair use" or non-free images. (CSD U3) |
Comments[edit]
Templates[edit]
| Criterion for speedy deletion | Current template wording | suggested wording | edit summary of deletion log | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| t1 divisive Template:db-t1/new Template:db-t1/doc | Templates in "Template:" space that are divisive and inflammatory. See Wikipedia:Userbox migration for others: general criterion 10 may still apply. | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion. The reason given is: It is a template that is divisive and inflammatory (CSD T1)}} | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion as a template in "Template:" space that is divisive and inflammatory (See CSD T1) | Divisive and inflammatory template. (CSD T1) |
| t2 policy Template:db-t2/new Template:db-t2/doc | Templates that are blatant misrepresentations of established policy. This includes "speedy deletion" templates for issues that are not speedy deletion criteria and disclaimer templates intended to be used in articles. | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion. The reason given is: It is a blatant misrepresentation of established policy, this includes "speedy deletion" templates for issues that are not speedy deletion criteria, and disclaimer templates intended for use in articles. (CSD T2)}} | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion as a blatant misrepresentation of established policy, this includes "speedy deletion" templates for issues that are not speedy deletion criteria, and disclaimer templates intended for use in articles. (CSD T2) | A template which is a blatant misrepresentation of established policy. (CSD T2) |
| t3 hardcode (proposed CSD criterion) Template:db-t3/new Template:db-t3/doc | Templates that are not employed in any useful fashion, and are either substantial duplications of another template, or hardcoded instances of another template where the same functionality could be provided by that other template, may be deleted after being tagged for seven days. | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion. The reason given is: It is both orphaned and deprecated by {{[[Template:|]]}} – it is not employed in any useful context, and one of the following conditions apply: • It is a substantial duplication of the template [[Template:|]]. |
This page may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion as a template that is not being employed in any useful fashion which satisfies one of the following conditions:
|
Copy or hardcoded instance of another template (CSD T3) |
Comments[edit]
I disagree with the alteration to T3 - the criteria for that CSD are carefully worded enough to warrant separation into bullets. Happy‑melon 19:26, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for your feedback, which ties in with the main purpose of this exercise: to make the templates conform more closely to the CSD. In many cases, the templates are slightly abbreviated in comparison to the CSD. In this case, it's the opposite: the template is actually wordier. However, perhaps the wording currently suggested in the table goes too far in attempting to achieve brevity. I suggest the following, which is an attempt to convey all nuances of the CSD while both complying with your request for bullets and attempting to keep the overall length to the minimum required:
- "This page may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion as a template that is not being employed in any useful fashion and has been tagged for deletion for 7 days under one of the following conditions:
- "It is a substantial duplication of the template [[Template\]], or
- "It is a hardcoded instance of template [[Template\]], where the same functionality could be provided by that other template."
- "This page may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion as a template that is not being employed in any useful fashion and has been tagged for deletion for 7 days under one of the following conditions:
- It seems to me that the CSD only justifies two bullet points. People who are enamoured of the third bullet point might want to update the CSD. --Coppertwig (talk) 13:51, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
- This is an excellent point, as discussion to this effect has been ongoing on WT:CSD. I would accept removing the third bullet point. However, the mechanism which adjusts the categorisation based on time elapsed since the template was added makes the first sentence difficult to manage. I recommend ... as a template that is not being employed in any useful fashion which satisfies one of the following conditions:..., followed by the two bullet points, then either "templates tagged under this criterion may be deleted after seven days", or "this template has been tagged for seven days and may be deleted", depending on time. This is, of course, essentially what is currently present at the template, but I can't see any easy way of reducing it in length without making it more difficult to understand, and as it is not particularly lengthy, I'm not sure I see the need to do so. Happy‑melon 18:40, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
- On another point, the article obviously will not have been tagged for seven days at the time the template is first added to it. This should probably read, "This article may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion, after it has been tagged for seven days, as...." --Russ (talk) 16:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- Re T2: It has a comma joining two sentences. I suggest making it into a period and also un-bolding the 2nd sentence. --Coppertwig (talk) 02:20, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Portals[edit]
| Criterion for speedy deletion | Current template wording | suggested wording | edit summary of deletion log | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| p1 | Any topic that would be subject to speedy deletion as an article. | (template does not exist?) | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion as a portal on a topic that would be subject to speedy deletion if it were an article. (CSD P1) | |
| p2 emptyportal Template:db-t2/new Template:db-t2/doc | Underpopulated portal. Any portal based on a topic for which there is not a non-stub header article and at least three non-stub articles detailing subject matter that would be appropriate to present under the title of that portal. | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion. The reason given is: It is a portal based on a topic for which there is not a non-stub header article, and at least three non-stub articles detailing subject matter that would be appropriate to discuss under the title of that portal. (CSD P2).}} | This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion as a portal based on a topic for which there is not a non-stub header article and at least three non-stub articles detailing subject matter that would be appropriate to present under the title of that portal. (CSD P2). | A portal on a topic that would be subject to speedy deletion if it were an article. (CSD P1) |