Wikipedia talk:WikiProject India/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2014

Began the page[edit]

@Titodutta:, began the page,needs more work. Can you push it along from here? AshLin (talk) 12:34, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please give me 400or 500 articles. I'll assess those only if my computer does not stop working (it is giving trouble for last few hours). --Tito☸Dutta 12:37, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The main role of a volunteer coordinator is NOT assessment. It is to setup the activity so that others are able to participate conveniently. Assessing is a secondary role here. AshLin (talk) 12:50, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am not a co-ordinator. --Tito☸Dutta 15:12, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Titodutta:, perhaps you misunderstood. You placed your name under the request for volunteer coordinators. In that case, please withdraw that application. AshLin (talk) 17:49, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tag and Assess Drive coordinator (Moved from User talk:AshLin)[edit]

Hey there, I'm interested in volunteering but have no idea about the work involved. I'm assuming you're reluctant to continue being one because of time issues, which is currently not much of a problem for me. Sincerely, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 09:27, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Ugog Nizdast::The work is not trivial but not substantial either. In a nutshell :-

Create a bare-bones Tag & Assess page 2014 by reusing the 2012 page text & cutting down extra stuff. Done
Daily status needs to be monitored & a screen capture of the WikiProject India Article table done each morning. I used to load it to webcite so that its always available.
Update user totals periodically (you can ask them to do it themselves or do it yourself).
When completed, shout with joy & award Barnstars to those over 250 assessed articles.

The original drive page, with its complexities is here. We are going about a much simpler affair and we dont intend to do anything more than bare essentials but it gives an idea of the work involved. AshLin (talk) 04:32, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Let's continue this at the project talk page.

PS: Template:ping only works when there's a signature attached at the end ;) -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 19:11, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by User:Ugog Nizdast[edit]

Okay, let's clear some doubts I have before we working on this page.

Comparing from the 2012 page, the daily score for the drive has to be updated from Project Indian summary table from wmflabs right? Also that needs to be archived to webcitation.org as you said before.
I assume there's some cleaning up work needed to be done to this before the main thing commences. Anything left to do? I think the "Worklists" and "Userboxes" aren't needed since this is on a much smaller scale.
When do we start in the first place? It says "from 14th November", we're late! Do we count the scores from that date or when we actually start?
Do we need to go about telling everyone on their talk page (there's just five currently, besides us) to update their scores? -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 19:07, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Ugog Nizdast, congratulations, you are now the coordinator. You get to decide/help decide these things! Make sensible assumptions. Keep everyone informed. If someone has other views, you'll need to engage in the dialogue. :) AshLin (talk) 04:24, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Ugog Nizdast: my two annas worth suggestions / opinions are as follows.

If you think it is better to do it less frequently (say twice a week or once a week) that may be fine too, for the statistics, citation, etc. For the amount of work, number of volunteers, etc., the overheads should not be higher than the work performed - that is my opinion.
Cleaning up - can you explain what you mean by that? Some examples? Worklists were to divide the work when the number of articles was huge. It may still help to divide the work amongst the volunteers now - just have to figure out the basis of the split up.
The date was a suggestion from User:AshLin. I don't think we can cite from older dates, but a snapshot on "some of the dates" is available in the history of the WP 1.0 Bot's India template (which gets transluded into appropriate Wikiproject India pages).
Scores - yes, probably.

Hope we clear up the backlog soon. Wishing everyone the best. VasuVR (talk, contribs) 05:42, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2. I actually meant to ready this page and update it. Yes, we'll see whether there's any need for that as this goes on.

Thanks for your replies. There is one thing still bugging me. I've yet to update our daily score because it seems like it's not updating that frequently on the wmf page. For example, WP 1.0 bot has been less active in updating our stats here (consistent last June but barely done it three times this month). Also, the summary table at wmflabs says "updated Sat, 22 Mar 2014"! Am I missing something here? Yesterday I assessed one article to see if it updates (as it says at 8.30 IST) but nothing happened. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:13, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Ugog Nizdast: as you have rightly pointed out the stats are not 'copied' regularly by WP 1.0 bot. This I plan to request every Sunday (I requested last Sunday 23rd November and you would see a 'copy' made by the bot). Also, the original source of these statistics - Project Indian summary table from wmflabs, is most likely updated daily - because the stats had changed after 19 November (I had assessed lots of articles between then and 23rd). Hence for citation purpose, you should cite the original wmflabs page and we should be OK with that. For reference, today's total on wmflabs is 136,236 articles total with assessed total 133,608. Let us check again tomorrow and we will know the progress with updates on wmflabs. VasuVR (talk, contribs) 15:05, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Ugog Nizdast: and the 22 March 2014 date on the wmflabs page is the 'last update of the software' and not the data. That is my guess. VasuVR (talk, contribs) 15:23, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To be on safe side, I used to take a snapshot of the article summary web page and save it as png, just in case! AshLin (talk) 17:58, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Site isn't loading right now for me, so can't check if the stats are updated. Is anyone else having any luck? Two days back, I did this redirect page under the "unassessed NA Importance" field. Couldn't check now, but yesterday the article was still among the unassessed and the field still showed "66" instead of one less. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 17:01, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Neither for me. --AmritasyaPutra^T 17:07, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Others have reported the same problem here and I am not able to see the data either. VasuVR (talk, contribs) 01:13, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Alright we wait for the wmflabs website and WP:1.0 bot to get back to work. Till then, I've invited all the participants to update their assessment scores to the table. WP:1.0 bot may not be updating our table but it regularly works on Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/India articles by quality log (my head hurts reading this). -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 15:20, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Project counts[edit]

Hi all,

India project counts template has been updated - maintained by WP 1.0 bot. Finally the wmflabs group has fixed the problem. We also hope the automatic updates will run every day.

VasuVR (talk, contribs) 03:09, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The bot is running everyday and the counts are updated properly. Hence latest counts of the articles and other pages of interest to WikiProject India are available in appropriate pages and templates. VasuVR (talk, contribs) 08:14, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment bar does not work[edit]

Hey, I just wanted to confirm that its currently still not working for you people right? -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 19:21, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(pinging AshLin -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 16:25, 8 December 2014 (UTC))[reply]

Nope. AshLin (talk) 16:29, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

December over but only 20% complete[edit]

@AshLin, Titodutta, VasuVR, and Kautilya3: C'mon people! I get that it was holiday season but that's all over now. Our current progress is only 20% in spite of being supposed the finish this by the end of 2014! Let's make sure we finish this by January so that I can give you all barnstars! Best wishes, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 14:24, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the headsup, was hospitalised end-14 but am back after the New Year. AshLin (talk) 03:11, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Ugog Nizdast: as noted in my entry, I was concentrating more on bringing articles of interest to WikiProject India which have not been marked with its banner, into the list, by assessing them. This only adds to the count of articles under the project, but does not affect the list of un-assessed articles (because while bringing them in, I am also assessing them). We have added approximately 6,000 articles / other pages into WikiProject India in the past 35-50 days (count increased from 135K+ to 141K+), without increasing the back-log (at least from my side). This is for your information. Anyway, now I will jump back to reducing back-log, before going back to adding more articles into India list. VasuVR (talk, contribs) 08:19, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I hope to resume working in a week or so. Regards. --Tito☸Dutta 18:53, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Ugog Nizdast and AshLin: have helped to push the work past the halfway post, and it is nearly end of January! I guess it is going to take at least couple of more months, at this rate... VasuVR (talk, contribs) 12:48, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(ECHO has been malfunctioning lately, didn't get the notification) Yes indeed, but the main workload has been handled by you. Great work, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 09:50, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Additions to backlog[edit]

Hi To editors Ugog Nizdast and AshLin:. I notice that the number of pending articles for assessment does not reduce by the number of assessments I do. Which means that constantly people are adding articles with "partial" assessment and hence adding more to the backlog. That is, if I assess about 500 articles in 2 weeks, then I find that count of backlog reduces by around 300. This means other editors are writing / tagging articles with India banner without full assessment.

Now, how do we want to handle this to give a true picture of the work done by this group? Though we started with 4000+ articles to be assessed, I think we would end up assessing 5000+ or 6000+ articles (this does not include the nearly 4000 articles that I have also added, but which were added with assessment also done - hence no increase in back-log). I suggest that we add the "new articles" count (difference between the 142,000+ India articles now, compared to 135,000+ India articles when we started) also to the "initial backlog". This also may be misleading because some of the 7000+ articles may be added by others who also did the assessment themselves (or were assessed by those who have not volunteered for this drive).

Any other thoughts / suggestions? VasuVR (talk, contribs) 16:51, 10 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I used to have a formula in Tag & Assess 2012 (on that page). This is not a bad thing except the mountain gets higher every time you think you reach the top. It does need education of the editors though. 08:01, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Copied from the 2012 page,

Let

a = Number of unassessed article (intersection of row "Unassessed" & column "???");

b = Number of articles assessed for quality but not for importance (intersection of row "Assessed" & column "???");

c = Number of articles assessed for importance but not for quality (sum of intersections of row "Unassessed" & columns "Top, High, Mid, Low & NA");

d = Total number of articles on this day;

t = Running total number of articles assessed;

Let a', b', c', d' and t' be the values for the preceding day;

Then Articles remaining = (a+b+c);

& Number of articles assessed this day = e = [(a'-a) + (b'-b) + (c'-c) + (d-d')];

& Running total t = (t'+e).

Formula seems okay; I think we can make a table by checking the WP 1.0 table using each day's version as reference. What do you say? -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 14:43, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, go ahead! AshLin (talk) 06:10, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

t' and t (also d' and d) are interchanged OR a'-a, b'-b and c'-c are interchanged. FYI.

Anyway, the starting figure on 17 November 2014 was 135,143 articles. Now we have more than 142,000 articles of interest for Indian WikiProject. FYI.

VasuVR (talk, contribs) 03:45, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@VasuVR: - the formla is correct as copied. Your suggestion is not. Think why! :) AshLin (talk) 04:17, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, I know why. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 18:12, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment table[edit]

Alright, since it didn't occur to me to do this at the very beginning of the drive (like in the 2012 drive), I've managed to compensate and write December's report per week. I've made the table here. Can one of you to spot-check my calculations? I'm not too sure if I've done this bookkeeping work correctly. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 18:12, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Project being semi-active depends on this[edit]

Recently, someone changed the status of our project to "semi-active". I decided to check out {{WikiProject status}} and according to it, interestingly, one of the criteria for it to be so is a significant number of unassessed articles (among main page and talk page activity). So when we do complete this, we can atleast declare that we aren't semi-active anymore. When I say "we", I mean the three of us struggling with this for the past few months. <sigh> -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 18:24, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

When I go through many of the articles they need a lot of clean-up. Basics are bad, like spelling, grammar and punctuation. Add to it, issues like peacock terms, undue weight, trivia, etc., and the count of articles that fail with respect to these two would probably be at least 50% if not more. In light of that, if someone asked me to rate the articles of interest to India, between Best, Better, Good, Fair and Poor, I would give it 'pathetic'. Oh well, but then this is a volunteer project. VasuVR (talk, contribs) 08:04, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Same experience here, majority of these contributions are good-faith attempts by people whose native language isn't English. This problem is specific mainly to our country, due to the vast amount of people with internet access (our really high readership potential) in addition their poor fluency. Particularly bad, will be our articles about villages, schools etc, which we always come across while assessing. I still remember this discussion about it Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics/Archive 55#Indian and Pakistani villages back in November 2013.

I try my best to be optimistic about this, as the fluency slowly increases so will the daily contribution quality, and thus the overall quality of the articles in the project. I recently read this comment made back in March by one really wise and experienced editor in our project, Fowler&fowler; it cheered me up a little. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 15:38, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cleaning up the main Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Assessment and using "|reassess=y" instead[edit]

Anyone but particularly pinging @AshLin and VasuVR: We all well know that Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Assessment has been stagnant for quite some time with old reassessment requests left as it and new editors occasionally adding theirs thinking it's still active.

I've just had a look at WP:VG and they've had the same problem, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Assessment/Requests. They remedied it by adding a new field to their article tag: "|reassess=y" which automatically adds it to the relevant category. I think this would make our assessment department simpler and quicker; this may kick-start it back to life. But the problem is, I have no idea how templates work, specifically, how do you make a new field which adds it to a category; right now we have Category:India articles needing attention which works pretty much the same way.

I know this isn't the right place to post this but I want input from you both first. Being more experienced than me with all this, do you all know how it's done? is it simple? Does this plan seem wise? On Template talk:WikiProject India, being fully locked, people have requested minor changes only. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 10:58, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I really have no idea! AshLin (talk) 11:56, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Ugog Nizdast and AshLin: It is not simple. Best to post it on the WikiProject India noticeboard. Any Indian Admin will be able to set this up. VasuVR (talk, contribs) 15:48, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, will do. Thanks both of you. Done here. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 17:53, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted participants with duck scores[edit]

Deleted ssriram_mt & सर्वेश मिश्रा for not having done a single assessment since November 2014.

Common guys, dont sign Up & ditch us! :P

AshLin (talk) 16:01, 22 April 2015 (UTC)सर्वेश मिश्रा talk Hey Sorry guys specially AshLin in past days i have so much works to do so i could not focus on this topic. So Next Time I Really work Hard To Right And Correct Thing For Indian Assignment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by सर्वेश मिश्रा (talk • contribs) 19:13, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Down to 1 draft article[edit]

Assessment backlog is cleared for now... down to 1 draft article pending. VasuVR (talk, contribs) 15:35, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. I'm a bit confused though. Cats like Category:Unknown-importance Indian music articles etc are showing pages left, is it because the categories belong to different sub-projects? I count approx. 200 articles from all those cats. Or should we call it a day and subst the Backlog progress template, hand out the awards etc? -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 16:34, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure about assessment goals - 2012 addressed only the main India level assessment. The assessment at "India" level is done now. For sub-projects, there will be more such incomplete assessments. That we, will find importance not assigned to the sub-project (low, mid, high, top)... Those will show up as incomplete in sub-projects. That could be a much much bigger list! Maybe 10s of 1000s! I will leave it to the community on the plans for the same. VasuVR (talk, contribs) 16:45, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Then, main India-level assessment it is. Pinging AshLin who has been behind all this, shall I wind up the progress bar template and hand out the awards? -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 08:23, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. Fantistic! You are our heroes. Sorry about my own pitiful performance though :-( Kautilya3 (talk) 09:23, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm really proud of you guys! Sorry, transit & ill health reduced my edits fairly drastically. Thanks for the marathon effort, all of you. We have successfully completed a second drive. :) VasuVR & Ugog Nizdast, I salute you two main drivers of this achievement. I have announced this proudly on WT:INB. Der aaye, durust aaye.

Yes please, do give out the awards. Every participant to be given a barnstar and those who qualify get the awards that they earned. AshLin (talk) 14:02, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm on it, maybe in a few hours or so. I've put up a results table on the main page and hand them out. ‑Ugog Nizdast (talk) 17:38, 13 June 2015 (UTC) 15:27, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]